Huntsman Corporation (HUN) Q3 2026 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Greetings, and welcome to the Huntsman Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. I will now turn the conference over to Ivan Mathew Marcuse, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Development at Huntsman.

Thank you.

Ivan, you may begin.

Thank you, Jasmina, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Huntsman's third quarter 2020 earnings call. Joining us on the call today are Peter R. Huntsman, Chairman, CEO and President and Philip Lister, Executive Vice President and CFO. Yesterday, 11/02/2026, we released our earnings for the third quarter 2020 via press release and posted it on our website huntsman.com. We also posted a set of slides and detailed commentary discussing the third quarter 2020 on our website. Peter R. Huntsman will provide some opening comments shortly, we will then move into question-and-answer session for the remainder of the call. During the call, let me remind you that we may make statements about our projections or expectations for the future. All such statements are forward looking statements and while they reflect current expectations, they involve risks and uncertainties and are not guarantees of future performance. You should review our filings with the SEC for more information regarding the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these projections or expectations. We do not plan on publicly updating or revising any forward looking statements during the call. We also refer to non GAAP financial measures such as EBITDA, adjusted net income, or loss and free cash flow. You can find the reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings release which has been posted to our website at huntsman.com. I will now turn the call over to Peter R. Huntsman.

Ivan, thank you very much. I would like to take a few minutes and discuss some of the observations as we come to the end of 2026 and prepare to enter 2027. Each of the past 4 years, whether a war in Ukraine, labor and trade disputes, trade disputes or Middle East conflicts, it seems that something happens, seems to consumer confidence and slows housing starts. This year was no different. Between higher energy prices and interest and mortgage rates housing starts had a very rough year. While hope springs eternal, especially this next spring, we continue to be concerned about the potential impact of higher mortgage rates over the next few months. China seems to be overly reliant on exports as consumer spending and confidence continues to show little growth. Europe continues to be hit with near record high energy prices due to disaster disastrous energy policies, higher interest costs on their national debt, and civil unrest as the effects of long term deindustrialization and instability take their toll. Global chemical industry is certainly feeling the impact in varying degrees from all these macroeconomic forces. I am proud though that in spite of all these challenges, our focus on cost, pricing and operating discipline are paying off as we will see better than $100 million of improvement in our 2026 EBITDA versus our 2025 performance. We need to be able to do more than simply wait around for times to get better. As we may well be in this for another year or so of challenging headwinds. For this purpose, I am heartened to see that we will soon be able to complete our merger of equals with Olin Corporation and derive the benefits that will improve both of our companies should these challenges persist for another year. Through 2027 and the years that follow, Olin Huntsman will be in a unique position to focus on 3 broad areas that will create greater value together than if we were apart. Together, we will soon be rapidly executing synergies of $300 million with an additional $100 million coming as chlorine contracts expire. Our teams have been actively engaged and are ready to start. Second, we will have a much broader base of assets that will allow us to aggressively review a larger portfolio. This will give us greater flexibility to manage our balance sheet and pursue areas of growth within our combined businesses. Thirdly, greater integration and supply chains that stretch from SALT to Aerospace to electronics. Give us a better cost base to compete globally. Our stronger and larger footprint in North America positions us where energy costs in raw materials are most competitive. In Europe, we will continue to build out areas where we see growth in strong margins such as aerospace EV battery materials and power grid applications. Where we are struggling in Europe, we will have greater leverage to source raw materials and access to markets. We have a multibillion dollar business in Asia that is very profitable and will continue to provide new avenues for growth in the combined company. In short, regardless of where market conditions take us this next year, we will be in a position to prosper and improve value that had we remained on our own, we would not have been able to achieve. When the inevitable return happens, in housing and durable goods in North America, the combined company is set to create enormous value as a market leader in multiple fields. This is an opportune time for consolidation and synergies to take place. We anticipate closing this merger early next year. When we do, we will be creating a new, larger and fast changing industry leader and look forward to the opportunities that will be before us. Operator, at this time, why do not we open the line up for any questions?

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. Our first question is from Mitsch with Fermium Research. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you and good morning. Peter, if this happens to be the last Huntsman conference call, which very well may be depending on when you close the transaction, just wanted to say I appreciated the commentaries over the years. With respect to the chemical industry and for Huntsman, but also, like, I must say, I did find your historical factoids very educational when you were explaining the 1.79 thousand whiskey rebellion, etcetera. So I did want to offer my thanks publicly for all that. In terms of what is going on. Yeah. Listen, I mean, you. In the prepared commentary, there was a comment regarding the impact of new MDI capacity on the U.S. market. I was wondering if you could characterize the current market in your--and the near and midterm outlook for MDI, Particularly here in the U.S.?

Well, Frank, thank you very much for those kind words. I am still hoping to be able to find an ancestor that participated in the Whiskey Rebellion. And hopefully, was on the front lines of the fast changing technology to bourbon. But who knows? Great. Question on I think that we have basically 3 or 4 issues that we are facing right now. And I do not want to put too much on additional capacity. I do think the single biggest issue we will be seeing in the fourth quarter in North America unlike Europe where it will be headwinds on raw material pricing. will be just a typical seasonality. We are stocked every year in December when this phenomenon occurs called Christmas. This seems to slow everything down and we. But having said that, I think with higher costs of raw material, you probably may well see. We are not seeing it yet. But we may well see that people are anxious to cut inventories because of the high cost of raw material. And we may see the impact of that. So fourth quarter seasonality is going to be an issue. 1 other area is we are seeing a cutback over the last year. Of less imports coming into North America. I think that will probably be a good tailwind should that continue for North American producers. And of course, look, you do not have a lot of industrial growth because of the sluggish housing market, The last thing the industry needs is new capacity. Being dumped into it. But that is something that we have to put up with, as usually somewhere around the world at any given point. So yeah, we can hardly use that as an excuse. We need to continue to be focused on generating cash on getting margins to expand, and looking for technological opportunities. And that is. Are going to be the 3 main focuses of Huntsman in the fourth quarter. that is very helpful. Much appreciated.

And then listen, I mean, I know the transaction has not closed yet, but in terms of the conversations that Olin and Huntsman have had preintegration, I am wondering if there have been any positive or negative surprises. And particularly, looking to see, the thoughts on the near term 300 million of synergies and then, obviously, the $100 million coming in, 2030. So any comments that you could provide there?

No. I. Look. I believe that, as you know, this is not our first attempt at an MOE. That it is much easier to do it where you have cultural overlap since similarities In this case, we. 1 has an office in Spring Texas, the other in The Woodlands, and I think the communications and the cooperation between the 2 have been outstanding. I would say that when we first came up with the $300 million number, I felt pretty good about it, but I would not say that there was a lot of data that went behind it. We were throwing out a lot of broader estimates and numbers. Since that time, I feel very, very confident about it. Initially, I think it was more of a target as an objective. Right now, we have very clear lines of response responsibility, areas of execution, timing, group leadership, and so forth. And I would dare say that there is not a day that goes by where we do not have multiple people engaged where we can legally engage at this point. To further discuss that and look for additional synergies. So I feel very good about where we are right now.

Our next question is from Patrick David Cunningham with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Maybe just on European polyurethanes, you talked about it being EBITDA positive for the quarter. Still a very challenging environment. You have done a lot of restructuring work in that business, but how do you position that business if we have another sluggish demand environment volatile variable cost structure, Is there more to be done there from a cost takeout perspective? Or it is just a function of, you know, price discipline and where you source raw materials from going forward?

Well, I think that we need to continue to look at all of the opportunities that are before us. And we need to make sure that we calibrate the business around the market needs and expectations. Certainly with the Olin Huntsman merger that is coming, I think that we are going to be in a better opportunity from raw materials to be able to access perhaps better raw materials and better economics and so forth. But we need to, at the end of the day, focused on growth, where do we have new opportunities. We saw growth in Europe this last year over the prior year. Of >10% in our automotive applications. And that is not because of building a 10% greater number of cars. it is because we are finding new applications in automobiles. So when we talk about growth, we need to continue to look at our fixed costs and make sure that our customers are either paying for the services that we are giving them or we are going to have to cut those services further. And we need to look at our variable costs and how do we get around those, how do we improve those. And longer term, how do we position the business, especially as contracts expire? That were done 4, 5 years ago before Europe has really fallen into this mass suicide of de-industrialization. How do we focus on those things? Look, I know I have been an outspoken critic of Europe and I think that they have certainly earned that criticism. But there are a number of areas in Europe when we look at aerospace we look at building out the power grid. We look at EV vehicles. I just mentioned here we are in MDI talking about seeing double-digit growth year over year. Some of these applications. There are opportunities in Europe. Europe is going to continue to innovate. it is going to continue to capitalize on lightweight materials and so forth. And we need to make sure that we are investing in the right areas and that we are focused. At the same time, we need to exit certain areas that are going to be energy intensive that are going to be areas that will be leaving Europe. So Europe still remains the world's second largest MDI market after China. We need to make sure we capitalize on that. Very helpful.

And maybe just on Advanced Materials, you already talked a bit about aerospace grid infrastructure. I guess, given this strong level of growth, what is your sort of expectations for growth rates in 2027 What sort of operating leverage you should have there? And how sustainable are these rates without requiring additional capital expenditure?

Yes. I think first of all, I think that what we are seeing today really is the fruits of investments that were made 2 years ago, 3 years ago. We did some large investments We broadened our technology, our application, our know-how. I think that those investments oftentimes in a more commoditized business when you make acquisitions and when you invest in R&D, have a tendency to show results in 2 or 3 quarters. Advanced Materials is a little bit of a different division. Sometimes it will take 1 or 2 years to get qualified. Sometimes it will take a year just to be able to get in the door to get qualified on something like aerospace. If somebody were entering today, to try to displace us in aerospace, I would dare say you are looking at 5 to 6, 7 years in some applications. To even begin to compete. So what we see today I believe, is more than just a decent quarter. It is what we have invested through acquisitions and through deployment of capital, a couple years back. We are seeing that I would expect through 2027 that we are going to continue to see GDP plus sort of growth and opportunity.

Our next question is from David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Good morning. Peter, just on the MDI capacity in North America, I know you did not want to comment on it. But how is the industry market absorbing this new supply that we are seeing And what do you expect to happen in 2027 as industry if there is no demand inflection, how the industry deals with this new supply?

Well, I would say it is probably going to be a bumpy transitory time. As you will see this new supply will be replacing what has traditionally been imports imported materials coming in and so forth. But look, not every customer out there is just looking for necessarily a lower price. Innovation does pay off. Good service does pay off. Reliability does pay off. And again, I do not want to put too much emphasis on capacity utilization. it is got to be around a focus on growth, your fixed costs, your variable costs, and how you run the business. You.

And just your thoughts on the industry broader Peter, always appreciate your thoughts here. The Olin and Huntsman merger looks pretty compelling, makes a lot of sense. Why has the industry not taking your lead given the pressures we are seeing and we have seen and seen further M&A moving forward here? what is holding back you think the broader industry doing what you guys are doing now?

David, that is an excellent question. Will say that if I had to pick somebody in the industry that we could merge within a merger of equals, To some degree, you do have a limited field and you do have who is available and who is interested to do a merger of equal. So just because we are saying, well, company x would be a great fit for Huntsman, or Huntsman may be a great fit for company x does not mean that the timing is right, management is right and everything else. As we look at Olin, I will just say that when we look at the integration, particularly on the supply chain integration, and Huntsman's desire to be more competitive on the up upstream side that integration into everything from caustic to chlorine, the VCM and so forth, EDC. Being able to move up to that aside from benzene, And if we were to integrate ourselves to a benzene producer, you are probably integrating yourself with a right? And that, in my opinion, does not make a lot of sense. Olin makes the most sense from a pure molecular point of view. When I look at it from a management and a cultural point of view, as I said earlier, I have. I have been more than surprised at the fit. The relationship that Ken Lane and I have built, that our respective teams going down the lines have built. And that is going to be demonstrated, I think, very well once you have a closing that takes place. Why these things do not take place more often? it is very good question. We need it in this industry. As I have said in the past, we compete more against countries than we do companies. We compete against national interests. In trade policies than we do against specific products and pricing. And as you start looking at the Middle East, and the lack of what has been in the past a very stable region of supply The volatility that is coming from the Middle East, you look at the trade winds and so forth that are coming from China, there is it is going to continue to be a tumultuous market. And I think size and geographic location is going to matter.

Our next question is from Aleksey Yefremov with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, everyone. Peter, as you know, I am sure European Commission been discussing more robust trade protection measures and specifically for chemicals industry? Do you think it will make a difference overall and for your business in particular?

Yeah. I think in certain areas, we are going to see some opportunity perhaps especially in epoxies coming in from Europe. But look, let's be honest, Europe needs to be protecting its chemical industry. More than protecting its chemical industry, it costs more in tariffs and costs to go country to country within Europe. Than it does to go from Europe to The US. Europe needs to reform Europe. Europe needs to get an energy policy that is going to incentivize and is going to advantage the chemical, the steel, the glass, cement manufacturing across the board. So I am glad to see them taking a position in some of these areas. Where they find that there is there is unfair trade. But it needs a lot more than just a tariff here and there.

Thank you, Peter. And maybe as a follow-up, you mentioned energy This could be a tough winter in Europe. Energy wise. How are you managing this at Huntsman? Could you see I do not know, asset shutdowns as you see in some other industries? And maybe if not Huntsman, could you see your competitors shut down assets in MDI or some other products that you care about?

Well, we continue on a regular basis and that is on a weekly daily basis to look at not just our own assets, but the assets of our suppliers and of their suppliers. We may be in a great position when we are making money in a product line. But if our suppliers are on the brink of shutting down or their suppliers are on the brink of shutting down, We need to make sure that we understand that. So we need to stay focused in those areas. But and we need to continue to work with our suppliers, even in areas that where we have got relationships and contracts with our suppliers, we have found that some of our suppliers have been willing to give us discounts today to extend contract terms going into the future. How can we take pressure off of the issues today? When you are talking about $34-$35 per MMBtu gas, I mean, mind you, that is 20x, 20x higher than what we are seeing in West Texas. And along the Houston Ship Channel. that is just astronomical. And so at the end of the day, we can talk as much as we want to about short term issues. We have got to get prices up to be able to offset and to mitigate these sort of costs coming through. So end of the day, it is going to boil down to price discipline. We have led 7 prices this past year. And we have been successful on some of those. Others of them, the industry is not supportive of them. But need to continue to push for pricing at the end of the day.

Our next question is from Jeffrey Zekauskas with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks very much. For the 9 months, Huntsman has delivered minimal cash flow, your sort of cash flow breakeven. Are you going to be able to cover your dividends and capital expenditures with operating cash flow this year?

Yes, Jeffrey, it is Philip. CapEx we said we expect to spend about $160 million this year. Free cash flow was an inflow in the third quarter of $82 million You are right where we sit today. There will be a large working capital unwind in the fourth quarter And our cash conversion cycle declined year on year. And I expect it to decline again Q3 to Q4 and Q4 versus Q4 last year.

it is true that working capital has been difficult this year with an elevated pricing raw material market. But I remain confident that we will be able to cover our dividend for the full year and have a substantial cash inflow in the fourth quarter. Okay. Interest rates you know, if you look at the 10-year rate, we are now at 4.9. And maybe for the year, we have averaged 4.5. And last year, we were at 4.2. Given the interest rate environment, when you look at MDI volumes for 2027? If things stay where we are now, should the MDI industry grow at a slower rate in 2027 than it did in 2026? And how fast did it grow in 2026 or how fast is it growing?

Jeffrey, I think that as we look at 2026 into 2027, you are probably looking at I would say probably flat conditions or maybe similar to what we saw in 2026, which was an industry growth rate of ~2%. Look, interest rates are up. Mortgage rates are up. But if you look at them on a 50-year basis, the average interest rate today is exactly where it has been on average over the last since the early 1.97 thousands. This is about the industry not waiting for interest rates to go back to 2% or 3% or 4% because I do not know if they will ever do that. But the industry having to adapt probably be building smaller homes, homes with less basements, more townhouses rather than individual homes. And we are hearing that from our construction customers starting to see those sort of trends And starter homes, they have got to come down in price if interest rates are going to happen. that is not going to happen overnight. It may not even happen within a year. But I think that as you start seeing where building costs start to plateau and come down, incentives start to be put into place and so forth. I think it is more of how does the industry adapt to these interest rates and mortgage rates, which are really more normal than abnormal at this point.

Our next question is with is Mike Harrison with Seaport Research Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, good morning. Was hoping that you could talk a little bit about what you are seeing in the spray foam insulation market given that underlying construction and renovation activity still remains soft. I am curious, are you still capturing your fair share of growth in spray foam? Or are you seeing that there are more competitors in this space maybe starting to impact volumes and margins?

Well, North America, which is our largest market, and I am talking about both spray foam and insulation. So that is not just when you spray foam when a house is being remodeled or constructed, but also insulation panels and so forth. Look, that industry is being hit just like the rest of the construction industry. But as we look at our numbers from the prior year, we are still up low single digit numbers from the prior year. And year to date, we are still up single digit numbers And but again, longer term, until you start to see a real turnaround in housing and so forth, you are not going to see real substantial growth like we saw a couple of years ago. We were seeing pushing 10% growth. All right.

And then in Advanced Materials business, you said you expect power to be growing through the end of the decade. And I think you mentioned the need for some targeted growth investments. Are you guys capacity constrained anywhere today?

Maybe just give us a sense of how you see the need for additional capacity playing out We have got plenty of capacity. And if anybody out there wants any more product, we are willing to sell it to them.

Our next question is from Josh Spector with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Hi, good morning. I would be curious where divestments stand on the priority stack as you look at Olin Huntsman next year? I imagine 6, 7 months ago, it was kind of optionality. In your mind, is that a little bit more of maybe a must do to try to delever And just thinking how you prioritize that with the cost savings and what you are aiming to attack as point 1, 2, and 3 once the deal closes? Thanks.

Very good question. And look, I think that is something that a new board that will be formed and announced here in the coming months. We will be tasked to working closely with management to make sure that we are aggressively looking at the balance sheet, the needs of the company and position the company NewCo in a position. But for me to comment further on that, as a shareholder of Huntsman, not Olin Huntsman, I think would be misplaced.

Okay. Fair enough. I will leave it there. Thanks.

Thank you. Good question. But give us some time.

Our next question is from Matthew DeYoe with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, everyone. This question has kind of been asked a few different ways, but maybe I just take a more direct path. Right? Obviously, I guess, Peter, you said, volumes up low single digits for core polyurethanes. But as we look into 2027, right, given the macro, given rates, are there any measurable tailwinds that we can count on to drive growth year over year in 2027 in that in that business. I mean, like, the bridge items, maybe the $10 million in Q4, is a reasonable add back. Is there any other relevant bridge items we need to be aware of? Or it is kind of flat profitability in 2027 a reasonable scenario for PU?

Well, I think that as you look at the business, we have got an excellent elastomers business and we are selling product more into just we are selling product more than just into the construction housing materials market. Again, would just go back and look at 2025 or 2026. 2025, we actually built more homes as a company. As in as North America than we did in 2026. We saw housing starts drop in 2026. By about 100 thousand on an annualized basis. Over 25 yet. The company did $100 plus better. We will do $100+ million better in 2026 and 2025. So I do not wanna get too transfixed on where's an extra percentage point or not of growth taking place. This is a great portfolio that is going to continue to focus yes, on traditional applications like home building and so forth. But when we look at areas of innovation, areas around automotive, of aerospace, of the power grid build out, When we look at opportunities to improve our own structure, to match the demands of the market, And does that mean that we need to have a larger or smaller footprint in certain areas of R&D? As we look at everything from our elastomers business to the appliances going on down through EVs and weight materials and coatings and so forth. I do not wanna get too transfixed because housing is not growing as fast as we had hoped that it would. Then there is nothing we can do. As I said in my prepared remarks, worst thing we can do is just sit around and wait for the markets to turn. 2027 is going to be a better year than 2026. it is going to be a better year because we have opportunities to cut costs, to build a great business, to continue to build continue to integrate And I would just be absolutely shocked if we are at the end of 2027 and we are not looking back at materially better year than we did in 2026. that is really helpful, Peter. I appreciate it. I will leave it there.

Our next question is from Hassan Ahmed with Alembic Global. Please proceed with your with your question.

Good morning, Peter. A question around MDI pricing. Obviously, you have seen better pricing across all 3 regions. And more price hikes on the table as well. But obviously, you are expecting as you talked about, a fairly sort of major rise sequentially in benzene pricing. So just a question around whether you feel that the price hikes you have implemented and that are on the table will be enough to offset in Q4 this benzene price hike you are expecting?

Well, we are in the process of putting those prices through right now. And I would say that given where we have seen in the last week or so, we need to be able to see prices continue to move up just as we are seeing raw material prices move up. I would say our biggest area that we are seeing right now of inflation expansion is in Europe, particularly on energy costs. As we look in third quarter to fourth quarter, benzene prices are up a bit, but not nearly as much on a per pound basis or per ton basis. Than the impact of natural gas and that the impact that is having. On our business So we are going to continue to see pricing will be holding up in China. We need to see increases in Europe. And The US is going to be a mixed bag. Very helpful, Peter.

And as a follow-up, again, trying to sort of, get a sense of, the EBITDA generation for standalone Huntsman. In 27, you know, barring any recovery, you know, what sort of EBITDA improvement should we expect from the cost cutting, operational and the like? That you guys have implemented, you know, 2027 versus 2026.

Well, I think that at this point, we will we will be putting together our 2027 budget here in the coming months and be looking at those sort of opportunities. So much of that is going to depend on what sort of variable costs we are going to be absorbing on energy prices and so forth. Tariffs will continue to be a headwind or a tailwind. And as we look at the global economic situation, hopefully, that will be more of a tailwind than it is a headwind. But as we look at this in advanced materials, we are going to continue to see growth and opportunity in places like power, industrial applications, our aerospace and performance products. We are going to see. Continue to see good momentum, I think, in our performance of amines. We have put in an expansion--Adam put an expansion we started up this past year for ULTRAPURE Amine products will be going into chip production and cleaning solutions for the tech industry. We are starting to make a lot of traction in those areas. I do not think, Hassan, you are gonna see any 1 big area that will look back a year from now and say, wow. That was a that was a massive turnaround. it is going to be just a lot of small applications, pricing discipline, cost discipline. Across the board and being able to make sure that we are in the right to be able to accomplish those. So I do not think it is going to be any 1 thing. I think it is just gonna be a lot of variables across the board.

Our next question is from John Roberts with Mizuho Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. The clean room teams have had another quarter to analyze data from both companies. Any new learnings coming out of that additional analysis. Oh, I think that there are learnings that come out on a weekly basis.

But I am looking down here at our GC and she's shaking her head that I should be talking about these things. So John, I am going to just say that we continue to listen. We continue to learn. We continue to make advancements.

Maybe a follow-up then. Are you seeing currently in China both on the MDI side and on your POTBA JV?

I would think stability. As we look at the domestic economy, I would say that it is no. I would say that if I had to use 1 word, it would be stable. And the growth that we are seeing is mostly through export driven growth.

And on the joint venture, John, MTBE margins have come down a little bit in the past 3 to 4 weeks. PO, so propylene oxide above propylene. Have remained relatively strong. They have come back a little bit. I think we have guided to the fact that 3Q was clearly above 3Q last year. And then the fourth quarter, we would expect to be relatively similar 4Q to 4Q last year and relatively similar to the third quarter.

Our next question is from Abigail Eberts with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks for taking my question. Just a quick clarifying 1 on Rotterdam. Any other information you can provide to us as to why that happened? And then on the $10 million to $15 million, is that evenly spread between September and October? Is that more heavily weighted towards October? Thanks.

Abigail, it is Philip. The split in terms of the 10 million to $15 million you should think about that as a $5 million impact in September and $10 million in October. that is the way to think about it from modeling. Perspective. And the outage was begun from a initiated by a third party, but the plant is back up and running. As we sit here today.

Got it. Thank you.

Our next question is from Salvator Tiano with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, thank you very much. I want to ask company wide. I know you provide some very interesting end market commentary in your prepared remarks, but obviously, it seems like the growth driver right now is the industrial end markets. So can you help us understand a little bit Huntsman as a whole, what is kind of what is the exposure to more industrial end markets versus housing versus consumer markets?

Yes. So Sal, about ~60% of our volumes very roughly go into construction. that is across all of infrastructure, commercial and residential. About 15% is into automotive. So the remaining ~25% you have got a host of different end markets from gas treating all the way through to traditional industrial markets. Overall, the industrial markets themselves, could classify that as, say, 10% to 15% of the remaining 20 of the of the of the remaining amount. So a decent sized exposure. 1 of the 1 of the multiple reasons that advanced materials has year on year alongside aerospace and power particularly when you look at the industrial PMI sort of have come through. And 1 of the reasons that we have improved year on year in our elastomers business in polyurethanes, which again is going into some of those industrial markets.

Okay. Perfect. And on the regional side, you know, America's obviously did so much better than anything else. I think you said 5% across the board. Can you clarify a little bit the regional performance for Advanced Materials at 12% volume growth? Was it a little bit more equally split or was this also much more heavily in The Americas?

We saw it across all 3 regions and that is because you have got aerospace growing around the world from where it came in 2025 as well as the power infrastructure grid bluntly being built out in all 3 regions out of necessity, given the electrical demands that are required around the world and reinvigoration of those grids. So we have seen it all around the world with advanced materials.

Our next question is from Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Thank you very much and good morning. Peter, ~6 weeks ago, 1 of your global MDI peers announced that they are in advanced stages for a feasibility study on a new MDI plant in India. And that is, of course, after having invested a fair sum at Geismar in recent years. So my question is, are you surprised by that given how poor the industry margins have been over the last 3 or 4 years? Or is it maybe less surprising because by the time this new capacity comes on, towards the end of the decade, it will be needed. I am very curious kind of hear your views on reinvestment economics and the shape of the cycle and when the next peak might be?

Kevin, it is a very good question. I have not the foggiest idea of what goes on in boardrooms when somebody decides to take $1 billion to throw to add more capacity, in just about any chemical in our industry. So I will not specify MDI. But there is plenty to meet world demand for years to come. But that is just my opinion. I have no idea what goes on in the decision making process. So I will just leave it at that.

So it sounds like as a follow-up, Peter, if your balance sheet was less constrained, even if it were clean, you, Huntsman, would not be contemplating MDI expansion at this juncture. Is that fair to say?

I think I have said in the past Kevin. I may be wrong, but so long as I was CEO, we would never build a grassroots MDI plant anywhere around the world. And I think we have done pretty good job in doing that, at least on our own. We would not be doing that. Now, partnerships and so forth, maybe that is something you want to consider. But I think there is plenty of capacity. Not just in MDI, but most chemicals.

Our next question is from Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, good morning. This is Adam on for Arun. Congratulations again on getting closer to closing the transaction. Just want to echo the thanks on providing all this market detail over the years. If we look at PU margins, I think they are up ~150 basis points year over year. How much would you attribute that to volumes versus price cost? And what do you think a healthy EBITDA margin is for that business's long term I know it is been 20% pass. Is it still feasible if we get volumes back?

As you said, China is leaning on more exports as their domestic growth is challenged. How do you think about those margins split near term and how the curve I think at the end of the day, it just comes down to the fundamentals of being able to price your product. To the right customers, right applications. And cover your costs. As we look at the European market, that is gonna be. That has been more key. Sound management has been more key than the economic growth that has not taken place in Europe. And as we look at our other products around the world, I think it is it is gonna be mostly discipline on pricing applications and costs. You have gotta have those 3 things in order. And if you do, you will you will you will see benefit. Yeah. That makes sense.

Just thinking about China a bit, how do you guys think about all of this export pressure? And it seems like that is really what is driving a lot of the global pricing at this point. Is this really just a function of China GDP growth? How do you think about supply demand coming out of the region into the export markets?

Look, exports from China certainly are not helping the global chemical markets. But let's be honest here. 20 years ago, The U. S. Was exporting on a percentage of our GDP. As a percentage of our production, 25 years ago, The US was exporting as much around the world as China is. We are merely just seeing the lumps that come. And China, I do not think that I mean, when they started the capacity that they have today, it is been up and running now for the last let's just say, 2 years. These were investments that were decided upon 6, 7, 8 years ago. That were built over the course of the last 3, 4, 5 years. And that have come online in the last year or 2. And in that time when a lot of those projects were contemplated, China was still going through an enormous housing boom, probably the largest housing boom in the history of Homo sapiens. From the late 2070, 2078, 2079 up through 2020, 39. China put half a billion people in and vastly improved houses and so forth. I guess as you look at these macro trends, as you look at them right up close, they tend to be very chaotic If you step back and you look at where we were a decade or 2 ago, and you calibrate the business, you calibrate demand, you calibrate your strategy, around these macro trends it is. These are cycles of movements that will always be here. To some degree or another. And we just have to learn to adapt to them and to manage around it. And like I said, the worst thing you can do is just sit around waiting for things to get better. The simple fact of the matter is we are not going to return to 2021 exact economic conditions of a post COVID recovery. But someday, we will see durables in housing come back in North America. We will see Europe finally get its act together and manufacturing determine what are going to be the long term growth engines for Europe. China will absorb as they start to have an economy where the per capita GDP is somewhere just north of Uruguay, you have still got plenty of growth to take place in China. These are great markets. They are going to continue to be great markets over the course of the next generation. And they are going to demand better than GDP growth. From a great industry that is going to continue to supply their needs and housing and appliances and medicine and tech. You cannot do it without our industry. So we will be doing just fine. I mean, if we are going to sit around and blame China for everything, we are on the wrong path, that is it. China is a great market. it is going to continue to be a good market. And we will gladly be part of it.

Our next question is from Daniel Rizzo with Jefferies. Please proceed with question.

Hey, thanks for fitting me in. So just with everything you have talked about in terms of taking out cost I was just wondering how we should think about excuse me, incremental margins and operating leverage when given the cost cuts you have made when things actually do ultimately return? I would imagine it would be considerably higher, but I was just wondering what your thoughts are. Yes.

I would hope that as we look at areas where we do have that tailwind, in pricing and so forth, yes, we ought to be able to I would say. I would hope that we ought to be able to exceed traditional margins. And we have seen this in times of past where you will see margin recovery, but you also see the benefits from the tough decisions we made today that not only put us in a position to compete more aggressively in the future, but also in a position to be rewarded more aggressively in the future when those pricing cycles shift. Yes.

And Dan, on incremental margins, typically, long as you are controlling your cost base, which we are in terms of the cost programs we had in place, then usually, we will get incremental margins of around that 30% level. And I think that is what you have seen this year as you have moved from the 2025 bottom to where we are projecting for 2026. Okay.

And then 1 thing you mentioned was aerospace and defense, it is kinda hard to get into given you have to qualify and it takes a couple of years. I was wondering and you mentioned doing acquisitions in the past, I was wondering if you can do acquisitions now in this market given how it is growing, or is it not something you are going to pursue at this point given everything else that is going on.

I think that as we look at the growth that is taking place, we feel that with our manufacturing capabilities, our technical capabilities, that we are in a very strong position to be able to meet the opportunities we are seeing in power and aerospace to be able to meet that growing market with organic growth, what we have internally, the manufacturing footprint that we have, the R&D capabilities we have. I do not believe that we need to be we need to be buying assets today to take advantage of that growth. And with that, operator, I think we are getting to the top of the hour and why do not we wrap up the call here.

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