Bryan Leach
Analyst · JMP Securities.
Thanks, Andrew. Yes, to the flywheel, yes, it's a 2-sided market. You are -- well, really it's a 3-sided market, right? You have these consumers, you have publishers and you have the CPG brands. I think what we're focused on is spinning that flywheel by growing redeemers primarily across the network. One way in which we do that is we bring in a new publisher. But the main way we do that is by growing within the substantial headroom we have at the current publishers.
As far as the relationship between those different things, I mean, I think we do our best to signal to our brand partners when we believe we're going to have additional capacity, far enough in advance for them to be able to unlock incremental dollars. What we've seen in the past very often is that we will see an annual budget get expanded midyear or they'll find discretionary funds because they're excited about the efficiency of our platform or for instance, the rollout of a significant new publisher like Walmart.
And I think that, that will continue. I think it depends a little bit on how material relative to the current size of the network a new publisher is. But certainly, the message is, hey, if you are looking for efficiency, we want to earn your business up to the level that we have redeemer capacity. And I think that message is getting across.
As far as general merchandise, and what are the 2 things we need to do, 1 or 2 things we need to do to make that a bigger area of our business. I mean quite simply, I think it's demonstrating that we have a high efficiency, good return on advertising spend, relatively low cost for incremental sales, highly measurable solution.
The bar is not as high as you might think, Andrew. In many of the ways that people are spending money on marketing in these channels now, it really is a pretty black box LLM model or something to that effect. And I think we need to find people within these organizations who are champions just as we found them in the first 2,000-plus brands in CPG areas of our business. I think that, that ultimately will be going through the same playbook that we've been going through up into this point with CPG, and it's just a matter of they go through a pilot program, it goes well, then they make a much more substantial cross brand investment. Very commonly what we see is basically 1 brand will be the canary in the coal mine.
And then we'll go and we'll teach that out to all the other brands in the building. We'll get a strategic agreement with the parent company. It gives them a negotiated rate, but makes them commit to a longer-term, more predictable chunk of money. That's something that I think using case studies, we'll be able to do to secure larger and larger investments over time.