John Wasson
Analyst · Truist.
Well, I think -- no, it's a good question, Tobey. I think as you know, our commercial energy business, through 3 quarters, 70%, 75% of that business is designing and implementing utility programs, energy efficiency, electrification, load management, doing the marketing for those programs. We're seeing tremendous growth there, tremendous opportunity. We've been winning new contracts. We've been taking away market share. We've been winning our recompetes. And I think with the increased significant demand for electricity, those programs will continue to be a key component. And so certainly the utility program implementation is extraordinarily strong. I would say our kind of the energy advisory business, so where we really do more front-end advisory work for utilities on a range of issues from generation to transmission to demand forecasting, demand load management, grid modernization, many aspects of that business are enjoying very robust growth given, again, the strong demand for energy. We do expect our energy advisory business to have double-digit growth next year. I think the only area that's been challenging is in the renewables area, certain components of the work we do around certainly offshore wind or implementation of renewals on federal lands. This administration is not supportive of that. So there has been some impacts on projects in that area. But I have to tell you that in the scheme of our overall energy business, it's pretty de minimis. I think on an annualized basis, the entirety of that business might be up to $10 million a year. We certainly are losing a significant portion of it, but that is the one area where this administration is not as supportive. Having said that, as I said in my remarks, we also do have capabilities around key generation assets that this administration does support natural gas, nuclear and coal. And so we're seeing opportunities there.