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ICU Medical, Inc. (ICUI)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 3, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the ICU Medical, Inc. Fourth Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. John Mills, Partner at ICR, Inc. Sir, you may begin.

John Mills

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon everyone. Thank you for joining us today for the ICU Medical financial results for the fourth quarter ended December 31, 2015. On the call today representing ICU Medical is Vivek Jain, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman, and Scott Lamb, Chief Financial Officer. Vivek will start the call with a brief overview of our fourth quarter results and then Scott will discuss fourth quarter financial performance in more detail. Finally, the Company will open up the call to your questions. Before we begin, I want to touch upon any forward-looking statements made during the call, including beliefs and expectations about the Company's future results. Please be aware they are based on the best available information to management and assumptions that are reasonable. Such statements are not intended to be representation of future results and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Future results may differ materially from management's current expectations. We will refer all of you to the Company's SEC filings for more detailed information on the risks and uncertainties that have a direct bearing on operating results and financial position. Please note that during today's call, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures, including results on an adjusted basis. We believe these financial measures can facilitate a more complete analysis and greater transparency into ICU Medical's ongoing results of operations, particularly when comparing underlying results from period to period. We have included a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures for today's release and provide as much detail as possible on any addendums that are added back. In addition, the sales numbers that Scott will be covering as well as the Company's financial statements, the reconciliation from GAAP to adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS, are available on the Investors portion of the Web-site for your review. Now with that, I'll turn the call over to Vivek. Please go ahead, Vivek.

Vivek Jain

Analyst

Thanks John. Good afternoon everybody. Hopefully our call should be shorter today. Our fourth quarter was a very active and successful quarter for our Company and we continued to drive operating performance, value and long-term sustainable growth. On today's call, in addition to the financial results and more complete 2016 guidance, we wanted to provide; first, a recap of the important value creating activities over the last 18 months and why we are positioned well in the short-term; second, an update on our recent acquisition of Excelsior and the SwabCap product; third, our point of view and strategies on our large OEM customer as well as capital deployment; and lastly, highlight how all those items collectively along with the fundamentals of the Company position us well for value creation in the medium and long-term. So starting with Q4, we previously talked about Q4 being slightly down to Q3. However, actuals for the fourth quarter exceeded third quarter results and our overall expectations as we generated stronger revenue, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS than expected. In Q4, we had a little over $90 million in revenues and over $30 million in adjusted EBITDA. Reported revenue growth was just about 13% on a reported basis and 15% on a constant currency basis. For the full-year 2015, we generated approximately $342 million in revenues and $114 million in adjusted EBITDA. Reported revenue growth was just over 10%, and 13% on a constant currency basis. We continued to have solid performance in our direct lines of Infusion and Oncology, which were slightly offset by Critical Care. In Q4, our direct operations continued to generate positive momentum with 11% growth on a reported basis and 14% on a constant currency basis. And for the year, direct revenue growth was 10% reported and 14% on a…

Scott E. Lamb

Analyst

Thanks Vivek. As Vivek already mentioned on our fourth quarter and full year results were above our expectations as we achieved gains in both our direct and OEM channels driven by both growth in our Infusion and Oncology segments and our gross margins as well as adjusted EBITDA were stronger than expected. So now on to our results, total revenues for the fourth quarter increased 13% as reported or 15% on a constant currency basis to $90 million compared to $80 million in the fourth quarter of 2014. GAAP net income for the fourth quarter was $5.5 million or $0.33 per diluted share, as compared to GAAP net income of $7.4 million or $0.46 per diluted share last year. This decrease of approximately 26% was driven by approximately $8 million of restructuring expenses related to our plant closure in Slovakia as well as approximately $1 million related to the two transactions around Excelsior. Adjusted diluted EPS for the fourth quarter were $0.96 compared to $0.68 last year, an increase of 41%. Fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA increased by 38% to $30 million, compared to $22 million last year. Increases in both adjusted diluted EPS and adjusted EBITDA were primarily due to positive top line growth and improved gross margin. Now let me discuss our fourth quarter revenue performance by direct and OEM as well as by market segment. As always, we also have these results posted on our Web-site. Direct sales totaled $58 million or 65% of total revenue while OEM totaled $32 million. For the fourth quarter, sales in Infusion Therapy were $66 million, an increase of 17% as reported and 19% on a constant currency basis and represented 73% of our total sales. Direct Infusion Therapy sales were $38 million, an increase of 19% as reported and 21% on…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Tom Gunderson with Piper Jaffray. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Thomas Gunderson

Analyst

So, Vivek, you've mentioned the OEM supplier and the contract good till December 2018 and you plan to stay with the contract. Still it generates a lot of interest from your investors. And so could you just recap a little bit on the contract and how it changed if at all when it went from Hospira's, an independent to Pfizer owned? And second, if Pfizer were to divest, and as far as I can tell, this is a single journalist saying, maybe they will maybe they won't, if they were to divest before 2018, does the contract stay whole?

Vivek Jain

Analyst

I think like all companies, we too do not want to comment on rumors and don't necessarily believe everything we read on single-story articles either. The contract survives a change in control, and so the contract transferred seamlessly from Abbott to a new company and then from a new company to Pfizer, and the same would happen here. The provisions around it are no different. As we think about the situation, what we really want is a committed customer. More than anything else, we want somebody who deeply cares about growing market share in the category and is willing to allocate capital and time and energy to win. And if the business stays in, we hope that they want to do that, and if they chose not to, then it finds a home with somebody who really does. That's a great thing for ICU if that happens. We fully plan on honoring the contract, and we think we're deeply correlated at the customer level, and we think we have a great value proposition to customers and it's very sticky, and we've seen that competitively, and I have personal experience of that with other product lines I've managed. It's hard to displace this market share. And so I think we have a lot of aligned interest in making sure customers are treated well here.

Thomas Gunderson

Analyst

Thanks. And then, Vivek, maybe you could comment a little bit on international markets? We're always at the mercy of the latest news items and the strong dollar seems to be upsetting some with regard to being able to sell in international markets. Can you comment a little bit about what you see in 2016 going forward for ICU?

Vivek Jain

Analyst

It's a great question. That was the one reported number. I felt like this quarter people like you might ask, why was international growth a little bit lower than it was, frankly, and I wanted to explain that a bit, which was when Scott talks about our international versus domestic that includes also our OEM business, it's the aggregate of the two. And so the number we really look at is direct international. And so direct international for us continued to be very good, our international OEM business was down a little bit. As we've said on previous calls, the competitive set is changing globally. We feel pretty good about where we are and I think one of the hidden bet is here in ICU, one is obviously on the manufacturing and the currency tailwinds we have on peso versus dollar, the other positive thing is we sell dollars in most of the rest of the world to our distribution customers, and we don't really have that currency exposure. That said, those customers after many years of currency on the wrong way here are feeling pressure and so we want to make sure they are successful but we don't feel end market paying because of currency or P&L paying because of currency, frankly.

Thomas Gunderson

Analyst

Got it. And then last just on a smaller note, the medical device tax, I assume that's included in your guidance but is that anything that changed your way of how you look at 2016, are you reinvesting, letting it flow to the bottom line to small the matter?

Vivek Jain

Analyst

It's super small for us. I think it's a transient thing obviously and we stand by what we've talked about before, which is we feel like whether it's 33% or 34%, whatever these adjusted EBITDA margins are for us, we feel pretty good about it, we care a lot more about can we reinvest in the business for growth, we're not trying to perfect margins. So we didn't take it to the bottom line. We assumed it was going to get absorbed and invested it in R&D people or technical people or sales people or something that can move the top line over time. That's just where we are right now and what we got to keep doing.

Thomas Gunderson

Analyst

Got it. That's it for. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jayson Bedford with Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Jayson Bedford

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

A few. Just on 2016, the EBITDA guidance was a little stronger than we expected. So I want to ask you about gross margin. You mentioned the quarter was impacted by the Excelsior integration, so two questions. What's the assumption for gross margin in 2016? And then second, what's left on the Excelsior integration and what do you still need to do?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. You want to go through your full list, Jayson, or you want to talk about that one first?

Jayson Bedford

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Let's start with that one and then we can…

Vivek Jain

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

So I'll let Scott answer first on the gross margin and then I'll get to integration.

Scott E. Lamb

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

So it's only 40 basis points in the fourth quarter. Obviously once we get Excelsior fully integrated towards the latter part of the year, that will help. We don't see much change overall in our gross margins year-over-year.

Vivek Jain

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

So, Jayson, the two points just going back to EBITDA there, there will be a little bit of improvement, as Scott said, once we get Excelsior in. So what's left for Excelsior, again, we have to get the manufacturing into our network. It's not in our network and it won't be until really the end of this year, towards the end of this year. When that happens, we get some pickup on that, the typical synergies that we model into a transaction. So that helps. And then the other thing on EBITDA, I think Scott was trying to talk about Cogent a little bit on the Critical Care side. As that rolls off, that was consuming a real significant amount of R&D dollars. We are doing everything we want to do in R&D on our Infusion and Oncology businesses and we just don't need to spend as much. So that will come down a little bit too which helps build up to that EBITDA. It's coming from other areas of the P&L next year, but not at all at the expense of the future.

Jayson Bedford

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. And just Slovakia, the benefit from lower overhead, is that more of a 2017 benefit than in 2016?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Absolutely. It's going to take the balance of 2016 to get it in here. We've said we kind of get our money back in two years, which can give you some idea of relative to the capital we have to put up to do this, what's it worth to us. I don't think – again, we're not chasing it for 2016. It's the right thing to do. You also got to make sure it happens the right way. So we're being mindful of that. But I think if we can get Excelsior in, get Slovakia into our network and keep delivering what we're having from a growth perspective with OEM at least staying flat over the period, meaning next year too, we should see margin improvement in 2017.

Jayson Bedford

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay, that's helpful. Just on the OEM, can you talk about the timing of Terumo and when they all roll in? And then, is there any kind of redundant revenue in Japan or Asia that will be cannibalized as Terumo comes on?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

What we're doing with the adjustment that we talked about, that $6 million adjustment, we're essentially taking what we sell in the geographies covered by Terumo and pushing it out of direct and into OEM. So I don't think it would be cannibalized so to speak. We are converting those distributors to Terumo today. So they are walking into those customers as if it was their business, any day now frankly. In terms of real impact in terms of growth relative to where the historic numbers were, that won't start phasing in until the end of this year. Again, we're not hyper-concerned with Terumo on a month-to-month basis. We're very concerned how big could this be in late 2017, in 2018. And on the model, our building around on OEM basis, we got to set a number that we expect there for a team. That's certainly our target.

Jayson Bedford

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then maybe I'll just last ask one last one and then jump back in the queue. Your direct IV therapy was strong, I want to say is up 20%-21%. You cited increased utilization, but I'm guessing there's probably a little bit more to that. So is there anything else you can give us, whether it'd be new markets? Just I'm guessing there are some share gains, just better execution. Can you just give us a little bit more color on what looks like a pretty strong acceleration throughout the year in direct IV therapy?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

I mean I think we've been focused on everywhere we can sell our products, right, and we really made a number of changes on the sell side and we're 18 months into that. I think we've got people who are getting their sea legs underneath them. That's all good stuff. On a contracting level, we've been trying to upgrade what we're doing. I don't think there's any one deal to talk about. There's a lot of little things and I think there's more people doing their jobs in the right way and we see volumes as pretty good, frankly. And so I've been very interested in just earnings reports, which all looked pretty good to me, over the last couple of weeks here and the utilization numbers that people are talking about versus what people seem to be predicting. So we haven't seen any change on our end.

Jayson Bedford

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay, that's helpful. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Chris Lewis with Roth Capital Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Chris Lewis

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

I wanted to start on OEM. You talked about the main partner being down about $10 million I think this year versus 2015. Vivek, maybe you can just elaborate on how you kind of came to that outlook, what type of visibility you feel you have on that today?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Sure. I study just with Scott and the management team here, we study what we're provided end-user demand reports from our partner on what actually makes it to a customer. And over a long period of time, what leaves the dock and goes to them should match up with what's happening at the end customer. And for a couple of quarters in a row, we've seen demand at the end customer as flat, which frankly given what was going on in 2014 or 2013 is great, which means we believe they are holding their market share and can move up from here, which is really good for us. But we don't see end-user demand growth and our out-the-door fulfilments have been growing, and we estimate the gap between what's really needed to serve the customer versus what's been ordered is that amount that the forecast should be coming down in our estimation. That's how we calculate it.

Chris Lewis

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay, nice. And then on the Critical Care monitor, I think you talked about that maybe taking a little bit longer than expected to get through the FDA process. Maybe you can just elaborate on that and provide any updated timing expectations for approval with that product?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

I think it's on us candidly. I think we're just, we're still a little thin resource-wise in having a hands-on-deck to respond timely, et cetera, and it's nothing unique about the dialog with them and they are, frankly, asking all the right and very fair questions, we just don't have as many resources on it right now and so it's going to take a little bit longer. There's not much else to it than that. We want it out as soon as possible, right. We were shooting for approval at the end of the year. It's sitting there. It might take a couple of turns with them. I'm a little bit reticent to put out a date just because things seem to go slower with this program than we would like.

Chris Lewis

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

And then for Oncology you mentioned ChemoLock being a bigger contributor kind of in the back half of this year. I guess how is that launch going at this point relative to expectations and how should we think about the contribution there?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

I think our number that we set for our Direct Oncology growth includes what we think ChemoLock will do. I think for us, we're focused on just as many trials and customers as we get going. We're just slowly ramping up the production. We're not really there yet. So I don't think it's all that meaningful P&L-wise, even the growth number for the first or second quarters of the year, but I hope by Q4 we can be talking about it saying, it's contributing a healthy amount of our quarter over quarter growth. I don't know and I think I've seen that burned historically making lots of promises on new products and perfecting it to a single quarter. I mean I think the product is in its final form now, which is great. Its production process is in final form, tools are in its final form, et cetera, all the right things are happening.

Chris Lewis

Analyst · Roth Capital Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay, thanks for the time.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Larry Solow with CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Lawrence Solow

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Most of my questions have been answered, Just a few follow-ups. Just on the ChemoLock, just a question on that. So it sounds like you're hopeful that you'll get some contributions by the end of the year, but perhaps there's not much built into that 10% to 15% Oncology expectation for growth. Is that fair to say?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

I would say there's not a ton built into that, I would say there's not a ton.

Lawrence Solow

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Right, okay. Back to on Direct Infusion sales, obviously 21% growth in the quarter with 19% for the year, so things actually even accelerated a little bit. It's probably hard to break it up, to bucket it, but would you say it seems like a combination of the two but more just strong end markets and customers doing well or is that sales force realignment, increased focus perhaps [it's really a] [ph] part of that, but maybe as you go forward, does that sales focus take more of a leading stance in getting growth or some of the low hanging fruit already been pulled or how you look at that as you look out into 2016 and beyond?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Two things. It's a great question. The first is, there was SwabCap started rolling in Q4. So that added a little bit. That's why those numbers look so good for Q4. So we should be transparent about that. The second issue is, and I think I said it before, as we got going here at ICU, there was a bunch of stuff on the operation improvement side that was job number one, there was some low hanging fruit, there was some high-hanging fruit. I think there was a bunch of low-hanging fruit on the revenue side too where we just treated customers or distributors poorly or in a disorganized way, and we fixed a lot of those items and those went on to the Board and that helped a lot. I think the next level is higher hanging and we should still fight hard to go get it but I don't think the conversion speed is going to be quite as what we had in 2015. So I think all the right things are happening where we're just being [overly] [ph] cautious on it.

Lawrence Solow

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Got it. And the SwabCap, so the 10% to 15% in 2016, I think you had said earlier $18 million to $20 million in total revenues from that company. So if I'm not mistaken, it's more than two-thirds direct and it's like $5 million or so going to OEM?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Ballpark. You might be off a little bit.

Lawrence Solow

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then just translating that into the OEM forecast, the $10 million loss from Hospira, that's offset by what you're getting from Excelsior and then the transition of the $6 million from direct to OEM. Is that right?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

No, because that's exactly what we didn't want. I don't think that's a fair way to look at it, right. I think you have to take the historical sales that are now flipping to Terumo out of your base year. I don't think you can just add all the incrementals here because still we're selling in the region before. So we're going back and adjusting what was in direct and OEM as if it was there historically, which actually ups our OEM for 2015, and we're saying with the primary customer down, we'll still stay flat to that 2015 through growth from Terumo over the historical baseline and what SwabCap brings.

Lawrence Solow

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

So essentially the $10 million is Excelsior and is being made up by – the $10 million drop from Pfizer-Hospira is made up from Excelsior and Terumo?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

I guess the fancy way of saying it or less fancy [indiscernible], one third of the business that we don't control, we're trying to fill the bucket with new customers.

Lawrence Solow

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Got you. So you do have some, a little contribution from Terumo, really is my question in 2016, to the back half?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yes, that's exactly [indiscernible].

Lawrence Solow

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Got it. And then the Pfizer-Hospira, just to clarify, you had said that you expect performance to sort of sequentially go down a little bit I guess as they drawdown inventories through the year. Is that…?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Again, I think it takes people time to realize. Sometimes there is a disconnect between the end-user demand and the inventory levels, all that kind of stuff, and given how much extra we think is out there, we suspect it might take another quarter or two. I think we are very active in this. Before we talked about it with Chemo and the OEM disconnect not clearing out mid-summer last year. I think it's happened the way we said it would and I think we feel the same way about what's gone on here. I think we've gotten smarter in how we look at that picture. So it should tail off by the end of the year, the other guys come online, there might be a little bit of a gap in there, but that's why it will be much more balanced over the full year. And I think we feel pretty good about what we've – you're putting outside the direct, right, which the numbers we think speak for themselves. We feel pretty good about the strategy we've been trying to run and we tried to illustrate in my comments there that there is a formula here to keep with a little bit of capital employment, hopefully what is reasonable mid-single digits growth as assumption over long-term to keep building around, right, and then see where all this, what's going out [indiscernible].

Lawrence Solow

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Right, okay. Just on Oncology, I know this is sort of a much longer term and hopefully we are in the early stages of a nice growth trajectory, any update on, it's probably an early thing [indiscernible], how this agreement you had with McKesson and the U.S. Oncology Network, is that doing anything yet?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Again, I think everything we said, 10% to 15% growth on a direct basis there, everything that we have talked about, factor into it those examples. We're not going to talk about any customer situations. Those examples just say there is momentum in the markets were positioned well and when these conversion markets start to happen, they'll ask for what. We're very pleased about that. So it's super-competitive, don't get me wrong, but at least it has less players floating around than the [indiscernible].

Lawrence Solow

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Right. Just last on the operating expenses, the SG&A was a little higher than expected but you sort of outlined why that was. R&D I thought was going to maybe drop a little bit more than it did. Did it not because the Critical Care piece is still, you're still putting a little more money into that than you thought, or maybe I was off in my assumptions that it would drop a little bit [indiscernible]?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

With all due respect, I don't know what your particular [indiscernible].

Lawrence Solow

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

I thought I was [indiscernible] $13 million, more like a $13 million to $14 million full year run rate, is that…?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

I think we said what we felt like we needed to spend. We didn't really think about it that much. SG&A was, when we sold the portion of the business back to Medline, they act as a contract manufacturer for us until we get the products into our own network and there's cost associated with that. That's why obviously I'm hyper-sensitive to SG&A. That went up, and then you know the Company did the right things. Some directors retired to create space which was really terrific of them and that also led to some increased costs. But again, all the right things to do.

Lawrence Solow

Analyst · CJS Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Absolutely. Okay, great. Thank you, Vivek. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mitra Ramgopal with Sidoti. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Mitra Ramgopal

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Just a couple of quick questions. Vivek, I was just wondering on the Critical Care segment, I know you expect it to be flat to maybe down a little in 2016. In terms of just trying to get that business turned around, is it pretty much just waiting for the FDA approval on the new hemodynamic system or any other things you can do?

Vivek Jain

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

We've done a lot. It takes longer to show itself here and it's harder. We have retooled what we're doing from a marketing and sales perspective. We've done all the basic stuff of digging through where have we been mis-pricing products or not having value aligned with price in certain categories. We've been focused on our manufacturing of certain disposals, can we improve the margins. We started with kind of philosophy of can we stop losing money here, and I think we have certainly got to that point and then some. But it's going to be – just like the IV business, it's going to be about revenue growth and that's what we need to focus on. It is not credible for us to say that we can be deeply competitive on the revenue side until we get the new piece of hardware out there, and that is what we're focused on.

Mitra Ramgopal

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay, thanks. And then quickly on acquisitions, I know you're limited in how much you can say but I think you mentioned something in the vicinity of $25 million annual revenue would kind of work, kind of like what we saw with Excelsior. Would that span all the three segments or are you basically focused in any area? I don't know if you can give any color on anything in terms of focusing more on product versus distribution, et cetera.

Vivek Jain

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

I said, look, what if we could do one Excelsior every 18 months, which there's not a lot of science behind that other than that seems like it should be doable for a company our size. And if we were able to do two of those plus when we have an organic growth plus new customers, that builds around a lot of the current situation we have. I don't know that we would – I think I said on previous calls we get scared by anyone that's not in your knitting, when you don't bring some value to the party. But if it's a good situation and it's innovative and is growing and we think we can add value to it, even if it's not something [indiscernible] it has to be one of your three, it doesn't have to be. I think it's unlikely [if we go] [ph] outside of those three, but I would never want to constrain us just hanging, because it's pretty narrow pickings in some of the areas in our three.

Mitra Ramgopal

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay, thanks, great.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and I'm showing no further questions at this time and I would like to turn the conference back over to Vivek Jain for any closing remarks.

Vivek Jain

Analyst

I'd just like to thank everybody for their interest and support of the Company. We felt 2015 was a great year for the Company. A lot of improvements went on and I hope investors see that with our careful use of capital, our respect for the P&L and the amount of earnings we've been able to drive. So we look forward to keeping everybody up to date and we'll talk to you soon after Q1. Thanks. Bye.