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Icahn Enterprises L.P. (IEP)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Fri, May 8, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Icahn Enterprises L.P. Q1 2020 Earnings Call with Jesse Lynn, General Counsel; Keith Cozza, President and CEO; and SungHwan Cho, Chief Financial Officer. I would now like to hand the call over to Jesse Lynn, who will read the opening statements.

Jesse Lynn

Management

Thank you, operator. The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 provides a Safe Harbor for forward-looking statements we make in this presentation, including statements regarding our future performance and plans for our businesses and potential acquisitions. Forward-looking statements may be identified by words such as expects, anticipates, intends, plans, believes, seeks, estimates, will, or words of similar meaning and include, but are not limited to, statements about the expected future business and financial performance of Icahn Enterprises L.P. and its subsidiaries. Actual events, results and outcomes may differ materially from our expectations due to a variety of known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that are discussed in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including economic, competitive, legal and other factors, including related to the severity, magnitude and duration of the COVID-19 pandemic. Accordingly, there is no assurance that our expectations will be realized. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements should circumstances change, except as otherwise required by law. This presentation also includes certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of such non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in the back of this presentation. I’ll now turn it over to Keith Cozza, our Chief Executive Officer.

Keith Cozza

Management

Thanks, Jesse. Good morning, and welcome to the first quarter 2020 Icahn Enterprises earnings conference call. Joining me on today’s call is SungHwan Cho, our Chief Financial Officer. I will begin by providing some brief highlights. Sung will then provide an in-depth review of our financial results and the performance of our business segments. We will then be available to address your questions. For Q1 2020, we had a net loss attributable to Icahn Enterprises of $1.4 billion, or $6.34 per LP unit, compared to net loss of $394 million, or $2.02 per LP unit in the prior year period. The loss was primarily driven by investment losses at both the Investment and Holding Company segment. Adjusted EBITDA attributable to Icahn Enterprises for Q1 2020 was a loss of $1.3 billion, compared to a loss of $195 million in Q1 of 2019. Our Investment Funds earned a negative return of 17.6% in Q1 of 2020, compared to a negative return of 5.8% for Q1 of 2019. Performance was negatively impacted by certain large long equity positions, which were disproportionately impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic, offset by significant gains in our short equity and credit index positions. Net sales for our Energy segment decreased by $356 million for Q1 of 2020 compared to the prior year period. Our Petroleum segment within CVR Energy was negatively impacted by the global crude oil price war, lower throughput volumes due to the planned turnaround at the Coffeyville refinery and unprecedented refined product demand destruction caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. CVR completed a $1 billion senior unsecured notes offering in January, refinancing $500 million of existing senior unsecured notes and adding $500 million of cash to the balance sheet. Net sales and service revenues for our Automotive segment were $635 million for Q1 of 2020. The COVID-19 pandemic and the impacts of the actions taken by governments and others have significantly contributed to the decline in revenues, in particular, the automotive services revenue and commercial sales revenue, which until recently, were experiencing growth on an organic basis. Icahn Automotive Group continues to push forward with a multi-year transformational plan to restructure the operations and improve profitability. During Q1, IEP issued $850 million of add-on 2024 and 2027 senior notes and paid down $1.35 billion of senior notes due 2022. Total debt outstanding at the holding company now stands at $5.8 billion. We closed the quarter with a strong liquidity position and are actively pursuing a number of opportunities, resulting from various market and economic dislocations. With that, let me turn it over to Sung.

SungHwan Cho

Management

Thanks, Keith. I will begin by briefly reviewing our consolidated results and then highlight the performance of our operating segments and comment on the strength of our balance sheet. For Q1 2020, net loss attributable to Icahn Enterprises was $1.38 billion, as compared to net loss of $394 million in the prior year period. As you can see on Slide 5, in 2020, the performance of our investment funds and holding company investments was a significant driver of our net loss for the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA attributable to Icahn Enterprises for Q1 2020 was a loss of $1.3 billion, compared to a loss of $195 million in the prior year period. I will now provide more detail regarding the performance of the individual segments. Our Investment segment had a loss attributable to Icahn Enterprises of $926 million for Q1 2020. The Investment Funds had a negative return of 17.6% in Q1 2020, compared to a negative return of 5.8% for Q1 2019. Long positions had a negative performance attribution of 46.7% for the current quarter, while short positions and other attributes had a net positive performance attribution of 29.1%. Since inception in November 2004 through the end of Q1 2020, the Investment Funds gross return is 66%, or 3.3% annualized. The Investment Funds continued to be hedged. At the end of Q1 2020, the funds were net short 73%, compared to net short 56% at the end of Q4 2019. Our investment in the funds was $4.4 billion as of March 31, 2020. Subsequent to the quarter-end, we redeemed $250 million from the fund. And now to our Energy segment. For Q1 2020, our Energy segment reported net sales of $1.1 billion and consolidated adjusted EBITDA loss of $38 million, compared to net sales of $1.5 billion and consolidated adjusted…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Nathaniel August from Mangrove. Your line is now open.

Nathaniel August

Analyst

Hi, thank you for taking my questions today. I had a couple. The first is, if you could please comment on Investment Fund performance in April, because, obviously, the markets bounced back, but it does seem like you’re running net short. And so it’s hard for me to get a beat on how April might have gone for you? And then the second question was that, I saw that holding company cash relative to the prior period declined by about $1.5 billion. And it looks like about a third of that decline was attributable to a reduction in debt. But I was hoping you could expand on where the remainder of that decline was, whether you were supporting portfolio companies or adding to the investment portfolio, or sort of where that – where we can account for that? Thank you.

Keith Cozza

Management

Yes, sure. Hey, it’s Keith, thanks for the questions. Yes, so I don’t want to get into the exact specific number. But I’ll just say that, April did receive a significant bounce back. And I think the way you can think about April, despite the fact that we are net short is, if you look at our 13F and you look at our investor presentation, you can see what our top five long positions are. And so in the month of April, some of them bounced back anywhere from 50% to over 100%, when you look at names, like Caesars and names like Occidental Petroleum itself. So April’s performance was quite strong. But again, it’s a very volatile market. So we’ll look forward to updating everybody with final Q2 performance at the end of the quarter, but I would just give the commentary that April had a significant bounce back. Sung, did you want to take the second question?

SungHwan Cho

Management

Yes. And on the cash, there’s primarily two things going on. One is, we previously disclosed that, at the beginning of the quarter, we invested $1 billion of the cash into the Investment segment. And so $1 billion of cash went into the Investment segment. And then two, the other major thing impacting the cash is the net impact of the debt refinancings. And so, we raised an additional $1.35 billion of debt and then paid off $1.85 billion of debt. So it’s a net reduction of around $500 million.

Nathaniel August

Analyst

That’s really helpful. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of [Lloyd Emery] [ph] from Yellow Street – Yellow Systems. Your line is now open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning. With the advent of electric vehicles coming soon, what are your thoughts regarding the cost of petroleum going down? My second question is, you pay a very high dividend. Where does the money come from at 16%? Thank you.

Keith Cozza

Management

Sure. So I think on the first question, it’s all – it all depends on your view of how quickly electric vehicles are going to gain mass penetration. I think, generally, our firm does not believe that, that is going to – that’s going to take a very long time, probably longer than most forecasts are currently showing. But I would never be foolish enough to try to predict where the price of oil is going. I mean, you can – you see a lot of production is being shut in. And that should help balance things out from supply and demand, but we’ll have to see. But we’re not overly concerned about electric vehicle penetration in the short-term here. As far as our dividend, again, we elect – the money obviously comes from the company, but – and out of our ultimate net asset value, but we give shareholders the right to take cash or stock. And so, our largest shareholder over the years has taken stock, which has made the cash portion of the dividend relatively low in prior years. So it’s fairly manageable. So I think to answer your question is, it comes out of our cash balance, which is significant.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Dan Fannon from Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Dan Fannon

Analyst

Hey guys, good morning. So I did want to follow-up a bit on the last question just with regards to the the capital coming up from your existing portfolio companies. And I think you mentioned the cutting of the dividend at CVR, which I think $0.40. But just curious across the various segments, what is paying up to IEP from a stated dividend outside of – obviously, I know you have access to all the – some of it’s fungible. But just from a payout ratio, what today is coming up from any of the existing subsidiaries?

Keith Cozza

Management

Yes. I think just based on today, it’s the CVI, which you flagged – CVR Energy, which you flagged, which is currently $1.60 a year. And our real estate portfolio tends to kick off a significant amount of cash flow. I don’t know if we have an estimate on that, but it’s really going to be the Real Estate segment and CVR currently.

Dan Fannon

Analyst

Okay. And from a liquidity perspective, some of the stats you guys gave just in terms of what you have access to and where you sit is obviously quite large or healthy. And so, I know you’re not going to tell us what you’re going to invest in. But I guess, how aggressive are you thinking about deploying capital in this type of market, given – even though we’ve snapped back, there are certainly still are some dislocations in the markets and opportunities. So just curious about your guys’ investment outlook in terms of what you – how excited you are about this environment or how cautious you may be? Obviously, we know you’re – you’ve shortened the fund and you have a hedge, but there are obviously a lot of other sectors in the private side and other areas where you could be investing?

Keith Cozza

Management

Yes. So I think, Dan, we’re looking at – we’re – I’d say, we’re sort of always cautious, right? And obviously, the economic outlook is a lot worse than we last spoke. But I think we’re still finding pockets of areas to invest and we’re really optimistic on some of our existing positions. But as you saw in Q1, this is out there in public, obviously. But when the Russia, Saudi price war broke out on oil, we took advantage of some dislocation – what we view as dislocation and ramped up our position in Occidental and then ultimately worked out a deal and got some board seats. And so we’re picking spot. We’re certainly picking our spots, so to speak, and finding areas that we think are going to really provide really robust long-term returns. But yes, you got to be careful. We’re still net short at the end of the quarter and currently. And we’re always interested in protecting our capital while pushing forward with some of the core names that we think we can be the catalyst to unlock some value. So, short answer is, we’re finding some pockets here and there.

Dan Fannon

Analyst

Understood. And just on the net short position, has anything changed with regards to getting more specific on – excuse me, your industries or stocks or is it still more kind of macro market futures and options that you’re using on that short side?

Keith Cozza

Management

It’s primarily the way you described it, I’d say, more broad-based index hedges. But primarily, I should say, we’re – we have been shifting portions of it. I wouldn’t call it overly material, maybe 10% to 15%. We’ve been shifting more towards sort of high beta, high-multiple single name stocks that we have directional view on that, we just think maybe valuation has gotten way ahead of itself. So are starting to find a little bit more than usual. As I think about over the last few years and pivoting a little bit more from index broad-based to single names, but it’s still majority index-based trying to hedge out the macro.

Dan Fannon

Analyst

Got it. And then just one more. This is kind of a random question. But Carl has been on TV and some places talking about, over time, that ETF market and fixed income and some of the concerns. I guess, any updates, just given what we’ve gone through in terms of the fixed income market and some of the high-yield or any of the asset classes and how they performed during this last kind of 70 weeks?

Keith Cozza

Management

Yes. Look, I mean, I – Carl has done a really good job of outlining in several different interviews. One of the better opportunities he viewed in the marketplace, that has been a trade that he – we formed as a firm a thesis on. I’d say, about two years ago, on some of the commercial real estate and particularly malls, being tremendously overvalued and the security is being dramatically mispriced. And obviously, that thesis is playing out. But what’s sort of interesting and why the trade has sort of accelerated is that, besides the malls, which obviously have a lot of problems, these indexes that he has been referencing, have a lot of other loans in it unrelated to malls that have now – that have now have a tremendous amount of risk of loss that were never even on the radar of anybody of potentially having – suffering losses in these commercial mortgage-backed securities. They all like office buildings, like hotels, and a lot of those are in play now, too. And the losses are going to be significant. So, that’s been one of the better trades. It’s helped contribute to performance and we think it has a way to go.

Dan Fannon

Analyst

Great. I appreciate all the answers. Thank you.

Keith Cozza

Management

Yes. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Sullivan from MidOcean. Your line is now open.

Robert Sullivan

Analyst

Hi. I was wondering if you could just generally give an update on the Automotive Group, just in terms of store closures, in terms of what level of activity that you’ve seen just with the broad business slowdown? And I was wondering, just generally, where you think we are in terms of kind of getting that back to positive EBITDA?

Keith Cozza

Management

Yes. So in terms of the closures, so just to remind you, many of our stores have both parts and service within the same building. And the – what we’re doing right now is, we’re closing just the part side of that business and the service side of that building remains open. So, I’d say, we’ve closed around – within the Pep Boys chain around roughly 200-ish of the part stores and the service size – the service side remains open. And we’ve been bringing a lot of that inventory back into the DCs and recirculating it throughout the remaining stores that we do keep in the core and denser markets that we have. In terms of overall kind of market dynamics, I’d say, we’re in line with other players in the automotive kind of aftermarket industry. In most jurisdictions, the auto – the parts distribution and service were considered essential services, so many of our stores did not – most of our stores did not close, but demand goes down significantly. And towards the end of March, demand was down roughly 40%-ish year-over-year. So, that’s why it was important to adjust staffing and adjust store hours to match that reduced demand. I’d say, since then, demand has significantly recovered, as different geographies around the country lift the stay-at-home orders, but it’s still down from last year.

Robert Sullivan

Analyst

Gotcha. And what’s just your broader outlook in terms of how long it’s going to take to kind of get that segment? I mean, I understand COVID is taking a significant detour on this, but in terms of just a broader revitalization of the segment and turnaround?

Keith Cozza

Management

Well, I think, the service side is actually doing – was doing really well before the whole crisis hit. And there, I think, we’re going to see actually maybe some pent-up demand throughout the rest of the year. So, we’re pretty optimistic on the service side and the ability to recover there and show some growth in – when we get out of the pandemic crisis. And on the parts side, we’re still – with our new footprint, we’ve got to optimize the supply chain and optimize the back-office, in order to be rightsized for the new footprint of the stores that we have. And so that’s going to be through probably early next year in order to get that done.

Robert Sullivan

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I currently have no more questions in queue.

Keith Cozza

Management

Okay. Thanks, everybody, for joining us. We appreciate your interest in Icahn Enterprises, and we’ll look forward to talking to you about Q2 results in the summer. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thanks for participating. You may now disconnect.