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Operator
Operator
Good morning, and welcome to Intercorp Financial Services Third Quarter 2025 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Ivan Peill from InspIR Group. Sir, you may begin.
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Ivan Peill
Analyst
Thank you, and good morning, everyone. On today's call, Intercorp Financial Services will discuss its third quarter 2025 earnings. We are very pleased to have with us Mr. Luis Felipe Castellanos, Chief Executive Officer, Intercorp Financial Services; Ms. Michela Casassa, Chief Financial Officer, Intercorp Financial Services; Mr. Carlos Tori, Chief Executive Officer, Interbank; Mr. Gonzalo Basadre, Chief Executive Officer, Interseguro; Mr. Bruno Ferreccio, Chief Executive Officer, Inteligo. They will be discussing the results that were distributed by the company yesterday. There is also a webcast video presentation to accompany the discussion during this call. If you didn't receive a copy of the presentation or the earnings report, they are now available on the company's website, ifs.com.pe. Otherwise, if you need any assistance today, please call InspIR Group in New York on (646) 940-8843. I would like to remind you that today's call is for investors and analysts only. Therefore, questions from the media will not be taken. Please be advised that forward-looking statements may be made during this conference call. These do not account for future economic circumstances, industry conditions, the company's financial performance or financial results. As such, statements made are based on several assumptions and factors that could change causing actual results to materially differ from the current expectations. For a complete note on forward-looking statements, please refer to the earnings presentation and report issued yesterday. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Luis Felipe Castellanos, Chief Executive Officer of Intercorp Financial Services, for his opening remarks. Mr. Castellanos, please go ahead, sir. Luis Castellanos López-Torres: Thank you. Good morning, and thank you all for joining our third quarter 2025 earnings call. Thank you all for your interest and trust in IFS. We appreciate your continued support. We have continued to observe positive…
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Michela Ramat
Analyst
Thank you, Luis Felipe. Good morning, and welcome, everyone, to Intercorp Financial Services Third Quarter Earnings Call. We would like to start with our key messages for the quarter. We had a very good third quarter as business momentum remains strong. Our accumulated net income is up by 81% compared to the same period last year, accumulating 17.4% ROE, which would have been 18.3%, excluding the one-off from Rutas de Lima. Net income from the quarter was PEN 456 million with an ROE of around 16%. Second key message, higher-yielding loans accelerated, showing a 7% growth in a year-over-year basis and 3% in the last quarter. Third, risk-adjusted NIM continues with a positive strength, increasing 40 basis points in the last quarter, now at 3.8%, still with a low cost of risk of 2.1% and with some positive signs in the NIM recovering 10 basis points in the quarter. Fourth, we continue to strengthen primary banking relationships. And as a result, our retail primary banking customers grew 6% last year. Fifth, we had double-digit growth in our core business in wealth management and insurance with written premiums growing by 58% year-over-year due to the growth in private annuities and life insurance, and wealth management assets under management are at new record highs with continued double-digit growth quarter-to-quarter. Let's start with our first key message. Let me share an overview of the macroeconomic environment. Peru's GDP growth accelerated in the third quarter with the Central Bank revising its 2025 estimate upward to 3.2%, supported by strong nonprimary sector activity such as agriculture and mining. August growth reached 3.2%, bringing the year-to-date expansion to 3.3%. Agriculture grew by 6.4%, fueled by high international demand and mining remains strong. Construction services and commerce also saw growth above 5%, demonstrating solid domestic momentum. Private…
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Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from Yuri Fernandes from JPMorgan.
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Yuri Fernandes
Analyst
Hi, Michela, Luis, everybody. I have a question regarding Rutas de Lima, I think this is a broader process, right, Brookfield's total collections, concession. It's a broad topic. I would like to understand a little bit the level of impairment you did on your exposure in the insurance company. Because I think Michela mentioned in the end that this could or could not be a problem in the fourth quarter. So I'd like to understand how much of the impairment reflects your exposure already or not? And what is your outlook for that case? And then a second question regarding the growth for retail in light of the pension withdraw. How much the pension withdraw may impact the growth? What is your growth expectations for maybe like -- especially I think in retail, but if you can comment a little bit more broadly, how much that can impact your growth outlook for the year, near term?
Luis Castellanos López-Torres: Okay, Yuri. Well, thanks very much for your 2 questions. I'm going to give a part of the answers, and then I'm going to pass it on to the team to complement. As Michela mentioned, our exposure right now considers around 40% of impairment already. It's tough to give you an outlook, given that this -- as you mentioned, this is broader thing between Brookfield and municipality. There's legal procedures going around. That 40% I mentioned was booked with all the information we have at the moment of the closing of the quarter, then things have evolved since then. So I think it's early to really give you an expectation. However, we are closely monitoring that situation. And regarding the retail growth, it's -- the pension has a couple of effects. It's -- not only that improved sales growth, but it has short-term positive impacts regarding funding and people bringing money from those funds to Interbank. So it has an offset, a positive offset in the cost of funds and the activity, but for number one, I'm going to pass it on to Gonzalo to see if he wants to complement anything. And then for number two, I'm going to pass it on to Carlos so he can give you a little bit more on his view on the potential specific growth impact of the pension fund release. Gonzalo?
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Gonzalo Basadre
Analyst
Sure. Thanks, Felipe. As Felipe mentioned, we have already reduced the value of our holdings in Rutas de Lima in 40%. We're still waiting on what happens with the [Foreign Language] that Rutas de Lima has placed. We'll have more information before the end of the fourth quarter, where we'll be able to give a more precise value of those holdings. Still, the total position of Rutas de Lima represents less than 1% of the whole IFS investment holdings. Even though we take a lot of -- we take a lot of time to sort this out, its impact will be -- will not be -- it's not important in the total IFS.
Luis Castellanos López-Torres: And Carlos, can you help us in the growth question?
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Carlos Tori Grande
Analyst
As Felipe mentioned, the AFP withdrawals have several impacts. But to answer your question, and then I'll go a little bit deeper. The last few withdrawals have flattened growth or even made their consumer loans in the market decrease 1% or 2%. That has been the effect in the past. This one might be a little bit different because there's other factors going on. The first one is, in Peru, all salary workers get a double salary in December. So December traditionally is very liquid, and that helps, obviously, consumption reduces a little bit of outstandings but helps with collections. So this year, in December, we will have that, and we will have a portion -- a large portion of the AFP. So it will be a very liquid, we expect a lot of transactions. We don't know exactly if the amount of loans will increase or stay flat. But for sure, it will have a good impact in collections and cost of risk in December. The AFP withdrawals have 4 parts, right? You get it in 4 different months. But the first month is the largest in terms of the system because the people that don't have the full amount to withdraw get it in the first one. So the first one is the largest one. And in addition to all of that, in November, salaried workers in Peru also get long-term compensation, let's call it, and that has also been released. So there will be liquidity in November and December. So there's a lot of moving parts. But again, it will be liquid. That is good for collections and for funding. There will be a lot of consumption and transactions and then the effect on the amount of loans probably is flat or negative for 1 or 2 months and then we will resume growth.
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Yuri Fernandes
Analyst
So basically, marginally negative, with asset quality, good for deposits maybe 1%, 2% down, and then we should see a recovery in retail, right? That's basically the message.
Luis Castellanos López-Torres: Yes. I don't know if it's 1% or 2% or flat. So to tell you truth, we'll see. It depends on the amount of consumption. But yes, that's one part now. It's a short-term effect, though.
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Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] And at this time, we will take the webcast questions. I would like to turn the floor over to Mr. Ivan Peill from InspIR Group.
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Ivan Peill
Analyst
Thank you, operator. The first question comes from Daniel Mora of CrediCorp Capital.
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Daniel Mora
Analyst
Can you provide more details about the expected loan growth for 2025 and 2026? Specifically, I want to understand whether the acceleration of credit card loans this quarter should be maintained throughout 2026. What is the expected growth of credit cards for the next year and the effects on the net interest margin?
Luis Castellanos López-Torres: Okay. Great. Thank you, Daniel, for your question. Let me pass straight to Carlos. Actually, he's working budget right now. I don't know if he is going to be able to answer all the questions, but probably he has more deep sense on that front right now.
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Carlos Tori Grande
Analyst
Exactly. We're working on our budget. So bottom line is in the third quarter, we accelerated growth in credit cards and consumer finance, and we expect to continue accelerating having -- I mean having the impact of the AFPs in the short term, but in 2026, we expect to continue to accelerate. The way we look at it or the way we look at this is usually, the system grows at 2x -- 2.5x, 2x GDP. So consumer loans grow at 2x GDP, as a multiplier, and we want to gain market share. So we will probably grow a little bit ahead of that. Our risk appetite has also increased slightly due to the good performance of our portfolio over the last few quarters, but also due to the expectations of the macro environment in Peru. So that's kind of what we expect. This will not be linear as I just explained, the AFPs will have a short-term effect, probably the end of November a little bit, definitely in December and some in January but then growth should resume. And then NIM will be -- will grow in line with our growth in credit cards and SMEs, and also will be positively affected marginally by lower cost of funds. So that's kind of the expectation.
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Operator
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The next question comes from [ Elan Colibri ].
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Unknown Analyst
Analyst
What is your expectation for corporate level disbursements in Peru regarding 2026 as a presidential election year?
Luis Castellanos López-Torres: Okay. So if I understand correctly, the expectation is the corporate level disbursements, I'm trying to understand that corporate banking activity. Again, it's an election year activity depending on how the situation evolves, should continue to pick up, if the continued investment perspective materialize. So I guess, loan book growth and corporate activity should continue on the milestone. We don't see any big project coming in line in the coming months. So it's going to be probably more replenishment of working capital or it's more CapEx and some refinancings. So probably growth is not going to be great in that front. But let me pass it on to Carlos so he can complement to see what he's seeing.
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Carlos Tori Grande
Analyst
No, I agree. I agree. There's no large projects coming in line. There has been some bond offerings over the last couple of weeks of Peruvian corporate. So that obviously becomes prepayment for the banks. Interest rates are more attractive for corporate, and they have been. They've evolved downwards. So there's a lot of refinancing of short-term loans to longer. We don't foresee a high growth in that segment for the next few quarters.
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Ivan Peill
Analyst
At this time, there are no further questions from the webcast. I would like to turn the call over to the operator.
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Operator
Operator
And there appear to be no further audio questions at this time. I'd like to turn the floor over to management for closing remarks.
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Michela Ramat
Analyst
Okay. Thank you very much, and thanks again, everybody, for joining the call, and we'll see each other back again to discuss our year-end results for 2025. Thanks, again.
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Operator
Operator
This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect your lines.