Yes. I mean, the good news about podcasts is it is sort of the shiny new thing. And I, look, I'm an old guy, so I go back all the way to an cable networks came about. And what's interesting is, every time there's been a big economic downturn, the advertiser decided to take a chance on something new. In good times, when you say, hey, I've got a great new idea, these cable networks, they say, sounds great, but my business is doing well. I don't want to rock the boat. When things are not so great. They say, okay, I'll try that new thing. If you look in the recession of 1988, that was really the time in which the advertisers began to give cable networks a shot. You saw a big upturn in revenue there. In the later 90s, you saw 97, the downturn there. You saw them get a chance to be internet, internet advertising. The turn of the new century. We saw search emerge in 2008, 2009. We saw social emerge. And we're seeing podcasting as that now. And what's interesting to us that we really love about podcasting is we're bringing some advertisers into podcasting, who were not major advertisers, and anything in audio, much less just radio, and they are pulling the money from wherever they pull it from, presumably TV or digital budgets. I think it's probably more lined with digital budgets in their minds. And they are making this a priority spent and then things fall behind podcasting, all really good news for us. And I show a see no signs that abating. If anything, I think it is increasing. What it also does, it's one more door to get people to do business in audio. We've had some advertisers that have started in podcasting and then decided they wanted to use rate they liked that and want to use some radio too. At first associated with the podcast. Second to just say, I like the way it works, I'm getting an understanding of audio and the impact it can have. And so we spread them across our other assets. So if we think about all of our platforms as separate doors to bring advertisers and by the way, we brought some major advertisers into the company, initially, through events. They did not think they wanted to buy radio, didn't think they want to buy audio, they just wanted to be associated with an event, and eventually became a huge advertisers on radio as well. So we see podcasting as that and probably stronger than we've seen with any other platform. So we're very encouraged by that.