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Insteel Industries, Inc. (IIIN)

Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Jan 15, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the Insteel Industries' First Quarter 2015 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I’d now like to turn the conference overt to your host for today Mr. H. Woltz, Insteel’s President and CEO. Sir, you may begin.

H. Woltz

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning. And thank you for your interest in Insteel and welcome to our first quarter 2015 conference call, which will be conducted by Mike Gazmarian, our Vice President, CFO and Treasurer, and me. , : All forward-looking statements are based on our current expectations and information that is currently available. We do not assume any obligation to update these statements in the future to reflect the occurrence of anticipated or unanticipated events or new information. I'll now turn the call over to Mike to review our first quarter financial results and the macro indicators for our markets then I’ll follow-up to comment more on market conditions and our business outlook.

Mike Gazmarian

Analyst

Thank you, H. As we reported earlier this morning, Insteel's net earnings for the first quarter of fiscal 2015 improved to $4.2 million or $0.22 a diluted share from $2.7 million or $0.15 a share a year ago, rising at the highest level for the first quarter in seven years. Net sales for the quarter rose 26.8% from last year to $110.6 million, driven by the addition of business provided by the ASW acquisition in the current year quarter together with higher sales at our other facilities. Shipments which were up 20.9% from last year have now risen year-over-year for seven straight quarters and at double-digit rate for the previous four quarters reflecting the continuing recovery in our construction end markets. As I mentioned on our last call, despite the recent improvement, we are still operating well under the levels that would be expected in the more normalized construction environment as our pro forma 2008 sales exceeded $600 million, including the standalone revenues for ASW’s PC strand business and Ivy Steel & Wire, which we acquired in November 2010. Average selling prices for the quarter rose 4.9% from last year, partially due to favorable changes in our product mix related to the ASW acquisition. On a sequential basis, net sales fell 5.5% from the fourth quarter and 6.7% decrease in shipment due to the usual seasonal balance churn partially offset by 1.3% increase in average selling prices also related to a more favorable product mix. Gross profit for the quarter improved to $12 million from $9.1 million a year ago with gross margins widening 50 basis points to 10.9% from 10.4% due to higher spreads between selling prices and raw material costs, together with the increase in shipments partially offset by higher unit converging costs. The increase in convergence cost…

H. Woltz

Analyst

Thank you, Mike. As reflected in our earnings release and in Mike's comments, we are encouraged by the positive momentum that we've seen in our construction end markets in recent quarters. These favorable trends are largely consistent with the various macro indicators and forecasts for the construction sector and all indications are that market should continue to improve for 2015. Continuing the positive trend of the last few quarters, our overall capacity utilization improved to 54% from 47% last year reflecting the strengthening in demand for our products. While we welcome these recent improvements, we believe that more robust rates of growth and higher levels of industry capacity utilization are prerequisites for meaningful margin expansion and the pricing will remain highly competitive in their absence. With that said, the pricing environment for most product lines during our first quarter remained relatively stable and spreads widened slightly from the previous quarter. There's a great deal of uncertainty in worldwide steel markets driven by macroeconomic weakness and the softening in commodity prices almost across the board. In the U.S., steel scrap prices which can heavily influence wire rod pricing have generally declined over the past few months but remain high relative to iron ore and derivative metallic units. Domestic scrap pricing is expected to display unexpected strength for February due to the impact of adverse weather on incoming supplies of obsolete scrap. We believe however that the prevailing trend for the next few months is more likely to be downward as the scrap market seeks closer alignment with iron ore markets. To the extent, that strengthening market dynamics supports stable selling prices for our products, we expect spread and margins to widen somewhat over the next couple of quarters. As we've mentioned previously though, it’s difficult to accurately forecast our selling prices…

Operator

Operator

Absolutely. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Tyson Bauer of Kansas City Capital. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Tyson Bauer

Analyst

Good morning, gentlemen. Excellent quarter.

H. Woltz

Analyst

Good morning, Tyson.

Mike Gazmarian

Analyst

Good morning, Tyson.

Tyson Bauer

Analyst

Let’s hit on the one topic that we discussed in the last call. At this point, it looks like you have a little better outlook going forward. And that was that decision between asset rationalization and growing into the year available capacity. It sounds like now given the outlook that your -- it’s more of a high breadth decision that you’ve made, and that is in certain areas take advantage of those economics and the need for either better capacity or fulfil the capacity you already have. And maybe other areas of weakness, you may see some rationalization. Would that be an accurate depiction of what you decided?

H. Woltz

Analyst

Well, I think our direction, Tyson, has continually been toward evaluating all of our assets and configuring them for optimal cost effectiveness. And in terms of the rationalizations that we’ve made over the last few years, particularly following the Ivy acquisition, I think we are in good shape concerning our current technology, our current geographic footprint, and our product mix. So I feel pretty comfortable there. But we will continue to evaluate our technology and our opportunities to reduce cost relative to what’s available in the marketplace. And we are in a good position to continue on investing to stay on the leading edge of cost in our industry.

Tyson Bauer

Analyst

With that said, and the outlook that you provided, where do you think you can get that capacity utilization up when we’re in our seasonally stronger Q3 and Q4?

H. Woltz

Analyst

I think it’s hard to say. It depends at the rate at which we see the market recovery continue. But we really haven’t tried to forecast where capacity utilization will go and when we will get there. And I think we have mentioned previously on calls that capacity utilization varies by product line, where some product lines are learning at significantly higher levels than the average and some at lower levels. So that continues to be the case and we expect that it will be the case going forward.

Tyson Bauer

Analyst

Do you have a sense of where you think the distribution channels are going to be on the wholesale level? As far as their inventory levels, as we get into the warmer months, given the outlook that you provided that we could be seeing some pricing fluctuations as we go forward, what’s your sense on how that’s going to be saturated?

Mike Gazmarian

Analyst

As far as the inventories throughout the supply chain with our customers or…?

Tyson Bauer

Analyst

Yes.

Mike Gazmarian

Analyst

Yeah. I mean, I think at this point, we don’t see there being any inventory stocking changes or hedge removes on the part of our customers. I think everyone is just focused on maintaining their inventories at reasonable levels, or hasn’t taken mix or either way.

H. Woltz

Analyst

Yeah. I would go so far as to say Tyson that I think there is a reasonable amount of conservatism in the market with just the macro factors that you see affecting commodity prices. I don’t think that those trends have created any impetus for significant inventory growth.

Tyson Bauer

Analyst

Okay. And the last issue at the risk of being a kid where parents tell you don’t touch any, touch it anyway. Talking about federal funding for infrastructure, obviously, we know the history here. And we may get some eye rolling on, will they or will they not actually do something this time. Is it likely that we could see state act before the federal programs and where they take advantage of increasing some of their spending as they act somewhat quicker than the feds have obviously? So you may get a benefit may be at the state level first before we see the federal level?

H. Woltz

Analyst

Yeah, I think you are already seeing that trend underway. We’re over the past year or so, there have been a significant number of states that have pursued increases in the fuel tax as well as changes in their wholesale tax or sales taxes and more movement toward the private, public partnerships. So I think when you look at the state and the local construction spending, there has actually been some upward movement there recently or as if the federal level remains relatively flat. And we would expect those trends to continue going forward.

Tyson Bauer

Analyst

Okay. What do we actually see an increase in federal spending or is this just to backfill their deficit of revenue generation for that trust fund and we may just continue at the level we’ve been at? They just find a new funding mechanism?

H. Woltz

Analyst

Okay. I’d be very surprised if on a net basis there's any significant increase in spending at the federal level.

Tyson Bauer

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Mike Conti of Sidoti & Company. Your line is open, please go ahead.

Mike Conti

Analyst

Hey, it’s Mike. Good morning.

H. Woltz

Analyst

Good morning, Mike.

Mike Conti

Analyst

Yeah, just a few question. I’ll start out with the average selling prices that’s three consecutive quarters in a row of the increases. Can you describe what’s driving that?

H. Woltz

Analyst

Well, certainly this quarter the ASW acquisition had an impact on it. But there's been no -- there's been no wholesale change in market conditions with respect to selling prices and moving them up or down or their fluctuations. It’s mainly a mix issue.

Mike Conti

Analyst

Okay. And then being that it is a mix issue and ASW is with the PC strand, are you seeing any quantifiable benefits from the exit of Chinese imports?

H. Woltz

Analyst

Actually those imports exited in 2009 and 2010. And certainly the trade case that cost that exit has turned out to be a good investment for the company and the industry. But -- much of that volume has been replaced by other countries, which is an expected phenomenon. It’s just the way that the marketplace works. So imports of PC strand have always been a consideration for the company and they always will be. At this point, we are keeping a close eye on the underselling that's going on for about four or five different countries. And when it's time to act, we will. But for right now it’s more of a monitor situation for us.

Mike Conti

Analyst

Great, got it. And what are you seeing more from a regional point of view, I know if he stated the big three Texas, California, Florida. What other regions are showing signs of strength or perhaps weakness?

H. Woltz

Analyst

Well, I mean seasonally speaking certainly you are seeing the upper Midwest and the Northeast sort of lethargic right now as they wait for better construction periods. You named the largest reinforcing consumer markets in California, Texas and Florida. They all are showing signs of life. Although, there is seasonality associated with those markets as well where Texas as had ice, California’s had torrential rain, so there’s a seasonal aspect of the business doesn't go away even in those geographies. But I think, I wouldn’t say that there's any geographic area on that is exceptionally weak at this point. I think, there -- you could say, they're all recovering to one degree or another and certainly, that’s a welcome sign for Insteel.

Mike Conti

Analyst

Sure. No. Absolutely. And Mike, you’ve mentioned on your comment, you guys had a mix of vendors and your payment terms are change, is that an issue going forward?

Mike Gazmarian

Analyst

Well, there’s always going to be some volatility there depending upon the mix of domestic purchases versus imports where depending on the specific vendors that have balances outstanding as to the end of the quarter, that can skew the days payable higher or lowers. So, and I think, there’s always going to be some fluctuations related to that in this past quarter and there’s really a timing issue, if you look back at Q4, we had a significant build in our payables. This related the timing of purchases at the previous period and this quarter it swung in the other direction or within the quarter, there was a drop-off in purchasing activity near the end of the quarter. So I’m assuming that purchasing activity picks back up again, particularly, we heading the busy season, you’d expect to see it go back in the other direction.

H. Woltz

Analyst

And just to clarifying in case there is any question about it. We’ve not experienced any change in payment terms from any specific vendor, is it's a mix issue, it's not a negotiation issue.

Mike Conti

Analyst

Sure. Okay. And then H, I just wanted to -- I guess clarify with you mentioned the spread expansion, obviously, you see commodity prices go down yet low carbon wire rod prices have been relatively stable? Can you just give some insight on that price diversion and I guess, some implications on how that should affect the second quarter and the second half of this year?

H. Woltz

Analyst

Well, let me start by saying that we are notoriously poor at forecasting those things. But certainly, it's well known that steel scrap has declined. It's well known that steel scrap is an important factor and price of steel scrap is an important factor and the price of our primary raw material which is hot rolled wire rod. And that to the extent that scrap continues to decline on if wire rod prices were to reflect similar declines on and if the strength in our markets that we have seen over the past couple quarters and then the improving trends, if they were to continue so that we develop just a little more pricing power in our market then I think the math would tell you that a widening of spreads and potentially an improvement in margins could be in the offing for Insteel and for the industry in general. But there are a lot of ifs and that explanation end and we have seen environments where these trends work to our benefit in the past. It's possible that they will this time but that's not a promises, it's hypothetical.

Mike Conti

Analyst

Great. That’s all the questions I had.

H. Woltz

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I’m showing no further questions in the queue. I’d like to turn the conference back over Mr. Woltz for any closing remark.

H. Woltz

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. We appreciate your interest in the company and if you have questions don't hesitate to call us back. Thank you.