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Q2 2020 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 28, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the IMAX Corporation Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Brett Harriss. Please go ahead, sir.

Brett Harriss

Management

Thank you, Casey. Good afternoon, everybody and thank you for joining us on today’s second quarter earnings conference call. On the call today to review the financial results are Rich Gelfond, Chief Executive Officer; and Patrick McClymont, Chief Financial Officer. Megan Colligan, President of IMAX Entertainment; and Rob Lister, Chief Legal Officer, are also joining us today. Today’s conference call is being webcast in its entirety on our website. A replay of the webcast will be made available shortly after this call. In addition, the full text of our second quarter earnings press release and the slide presentation has been posted on the Investor Relations section of our website. At the conclusion of this call, our historical Excel model will be posted on the website as well. I would like to remind you of the following information regarding forward-looking statements. Our comments and answers to your questions on this call, as well as the accompanying slide deck, may include statements that are forward-looking and that they pertain to future results or outcomes. Actual future results or occurrences may differ materially from these forward-looking statements. Please refer to our SEC filings for a more detailed discussion of some of the factors that could affect our future results and outcomes. Any forward looking statements that we make on this call are based on assumptions as of today and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events. During today’s call, references may be made to certain non-GAAP financial measures. Discussion of management’s use of these measures and the definition of these measures, as well as reconciliations to non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted net income, adjusted EPS and adjusted EBITDA, as defined by our credit facility, are contained in this morning’s press release. With that, let me now turn the call over to Mr. Rich Gelfond. Rich?

Rich Gelfond

Management

Thanks Brett and good afternoon, everyone. As you can hear I have a little laryngitis. I apologize. It sounds worse than it is so bear with me. I hope all of you joining today are staying healthy and safe, since the outset of the pandemic, our approach at IMAX has been to take the long view as we manage through this unprecedented event. We've carefully maintained our strong financial position. We've been unwavering in our stance that the health and safety of audiences must be the priority and the theaters should only be open when ready. And as a result, we're pleased to see that theaters and markets where the virus has come under control including China throughout Asia key markets across Europe and beyond are starting to open. Our global network and our relationships with studios, exhibitors and filmmakers around the world puts us in a position to benefit from rolling theater openings as lower risk markets resume operations. We are the only geographically diversified global platform for theatrical blockbuster entertainment. And we hold a privileged position at the center of the entertainment ecosystem. As theaters with IMAX systems reopen, our network will begin to generate incremental free cash flow with limited startup costs thanks to our flexible, asset light business model. We are already benefiting from the local programming and classic titles being shown in international markets. As a reminder typically two-thirds of our box office is earned outside North America. And we can take a leadership role in helping to bring the worldwide theatrical industry back online, assisting studios and crafting their film slates and sharing operating best practices among international exhibitors. Today, I'd like to discuss an update on the opening of our global theater network, an update on our financial position, our latest view on…

Patrick McClymont

Management

Thanks Rich and good afternoon, everyone. First, we want to thank our colleagues here at IMAX for their exemplary performance during this challenging period. Throughout the organization, we see countless examples of thoughtfulness, creativity and flexibility as our team responds to the challenges of COVID-19. Thanks to all of you for stepping up. During our last earnings call, we highlighted that IMAX entered this crisis with a strong balance sheet, an asset like business model and the market positioning to thrive post-COVID. None of this has changed, while the trajectory of theater reopening is slower than any of us would have hoped for. We continue to face the unprecedented challenges of the coronavirus pandemic from a position of financial strength. We ended the quarter with $319 million of cash on our balance sheet, including $245 million of cash at IMAX Corp and the balance at IMAX China. Our consolidated cash balance declined by $33 million in the second quarter validating the cash burn guidance of approximately $10 million per month we gave on the previous call. Remember, our cash burn will fluctuate on a monthly basis due to the timing of specific receipts and disbursements. Going forward, we currently expect we could keep our average cash burn under $10 million per month in a zero revenue environment. Now that our network has commenced reopening, our actually monthly cash flow going forward will depend on box office results and will reflect some increases in marketing expenditures to support titles as they are released. Importantly, we do not plan on meaningfully ramping back up our costs until the business performance warrants it. During the second quarter, we amended our existing credit agreement with our bank group in response to the current environment to provide a number of temporary changes. First, our senior…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will take our first question from Chad Beynon of Macquarie.

Chad Beynon

Analyst

Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to start with how we should think about installs going forward, very understanding that it was a load number this quarter but now that you have some theaters that have opened. And a lot of those zones are in a much different place now. How should we think about I guess the pattern or the timing of installs given the size of your backlog. And now things are opening up.

Rich Gelfond

Management

Patrick, why don't you take that one?

Patrick McClymont

Management

Sure, happy to. Throughout this whole period, we've maintained a very active dialogue with our partners. You've seen that in fact that we actually signed up some new transactions that Rich mentioned during his comments. We do expect there will be the typical seasonality to our activity. So we do expect to see more installs in the third and into the fourth period of the year. Having said that there's still a lot of uncertainty, our partners are opening back up again around the world. They're very focused on making sure that they execute the re-openings of their theaters appropriately. They've got a lot of new protocols to put in place. And so they're appropriately focused on those issues. So we don't yet have a lot of clarity on how they're thinking about installations, but we do expect it will ramp up through the end of this year and into next year. So right now we just can't say with clarity what that looks like but we do think we're on a better path.

Chad Beynon

Analyst

Okay. Great and then my unrelated follow-up just with respect to Wanda and CGV contracts. Can you just talk about the average length of the contracts of your current install base? And if there's any major contract that are due to be renewed in the next 6 to 12 months? Thank you.

Rich Gelfond

Management

The answer is, I don't know the average length but most contracts are 10 to 12 years. And there are very few that are coming up in the next couple years. And no, not a big number.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Eric Wold of B. Riley.

Eric Wold

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon. I'll actually start with my follow-up question since it's a follow-up to the prior questions. I guess assuming we do get a kind of a major push of delayed installs from this year into next year. Can you just remind us of your capacity for installs on a quarterly basis?

Rich Gelfond

Management

Yes. There's pretty much no limit, Eric, for our capacity. We've installed close to a 100 systems in a quarter. As long as we know that they're scheduled in advance we can just gear up because a lot of the labor is local labor, the territories, so it's -- I don't want to use the word unlimited but we could do real much bigger numbers than we've ever installed previously if we have some notice.

Eric Wold

Analyst

Perfect. And then my final question maybe given that we've had a number of months since the original shutdowns and kind of seeing what's happening in other regions I guess recently. Any discussions or kind of thoughts around the discussion you have with exhibitor partners in terms of accommodating capacity restrictions on IMAX screens. I mean are we thinking about normally you have the addition of midnight and a lot more show times on major blockbuster weekend. Is that something you should think about during the week? Do you anticipate getting keep films on screens longer than a typical week given people will need more time to get in the theaters, their capacity limited, any sense on what you may do to accommodate that?

Rich Gelfond

Management

Yes. It's a really good question. I'm glad you raised it because we didn't talk about it in our prepared comments. So the movie industry is interesting because in a restaurant, let's say, if the capacity is 50% you lose money. In the movie industry in a regular multiplex 20% to 25% capacity is heroic and last year which was our highest box office ever our global capacity was about 10%. So the network is really built for big blockbusters on big weekends, so with capacity constraint there's certainly the potential to do good business. The question really becomes do people move away from Friday and Saturday night and to weekdays and we're trying to make that happen through marketing and discounting and programs like that. And at the same time, we think some of it may naturally happen because as you saw I'm sure yesterday Google announced people could work from home until next July and in New York city only 10% of the office workers are back. So we're thinking that a lot of people will just naturally go at different times whether it's during the day or weekdays, so the diminished capacity probably will have an impact but not as big an impact as you would think just by looking at the raw numbers.

Operator

Operator

Our next question from Eric Handler with MKM Partners.

Eric Handler

Analyst · MKM Partners.

Thank you very much for the question. Patrick, I wonder if you could sort of talk about since so many your expenses are variable now is there a certain revenue level that you need to reach in order to become profitable on an adjusted EBITDA basis?

Patrick McClymont

Management

Well, it depends obviously on where that revenue is coming from because the different margin structure on the two sides of the business. Some of the modeling that we did, we actually think that in 2019 we did just short of $400 million of revenue and you obviously produced $150 million of EBITDA based on that. In terms of cash flow, we know that if we only get back to half of that run rate revenue and we can get back to cash flow breakeven relatively quickly, I don't have an EBITDA number in front of me in terms of what the breakeven would be, Eric, but that just gives you a sense that it's a pretty flexible model and when the revenues come back, we're going to swing back pretty quickly.

Eric Handler

Analyst · MKM Partners.

Okay and how do you think about in terms of ramping up your expenses again and bringing back employees and making investments and some of the projects that you've been working on? What is it that needs to be seen before you start adding back costs?

Rich Gelfond

Management

I think we're going to learn with you over the next couple months. So we'll see the patterns of movies opening on a rolling global basis. We'll see how audiences come back. I mean we don't really think we need to add costs in the next -- in the short run. As you may recall, we really didn't lay anyone off at IMAX or furlough people. We cut back their hours. So we're in pretty good shape to reopen without incurring significant additional expense and I think we'll just time it to how quickly we see revenues come back and how quickly we see films opening and territories opening and things like that. It's not going to be formulated.

Eric Handler

Analyst · MKM Partners.

Okay. And then lastly one last question, I don't know if you saw that AMC and Universal just signed a deal with each other that essentially gives Universal the right to launch PVOD on films that it chooses after a three week exclusive run in the theaters. Now you generate most of your revenue from films in the first and second weeks but do you worry at all about cannibalization with a shortened PVOD window?

Rich Gelfond

Management

We've been asked this question many times over the years in advance. And we had always said that we were very flexible on windows and we really didn't think windowing would have -- shorter windows would have a material effect on IMAX because we're a cultural experience. We're a fan boy experience. People, we show blockbusters; people want to go to IMAX to be with their friends on the opening weekend, the opening few weekends. So I don't really think it will have material impact. Where we were more cautious on windows is we said we wanted to support our exhibition partners and clearly on the release you referred to in the last hour indicates AMC is taking a different approach and from what I read in the papers in the recently online, they'll share in some of those revenue streams. I think we have to wait to hear what other exhibitors say, what that means. I think you also have to remember that Universal doesn't really have a big movie in North America coming out until 2021. So I think we all have to take a breath. We have Tenet coming up now, see how that opens, get the theaters open and see how it all shakes out but from my point of view if this isn't a shocking development and I don't think it means negative things for IMAX.

Operator

Operator

Our next question from Michael Ng of Goldman Sachs.

Michael Ng

Analyst

Hi. Thank you very much for the question. I just have two quick ones. The first is on the pre-COVID level attendance that you saw in China. You said it was about 80% for one of the films that came out. Is that your expectation of what the attendance could be in the United States when theatrical movies come back in force? And then the second question is really just about how IMAX changes its film selection strategy against the backdrop of these staggered releases? Does that create additional challenges at all? Thank you.

Rich Gelfond

Management

Thanks Michael. First of all, I do think that the industry will return to pre-COVID levels, but the question is how long it takes for that to happen. And we've looked at other places where there have been either SARS or the other kinds of forced shutdowns and they don't snap back overnight, but over a period of time two, three months, it seems like they come back the levels they've seen before. And again in North America it's particularly hard because we don't know what cities are going to open up, when but I do think people have -- are tired of having sat on their couch for four months and watched. When I did it, a lot of my favorite stream shows but I think people are itching to come out. And I think for the right kind of content and where they feel safe, they will come out and actually we did a little study and it sounds intuitive but places came back faster where the COVID rates were lower. So it gets hard to generalize on that Michael. I think we just have to see how it rolls through but as I said during my prepared remarks, we were quite pleasantly encouraged by what happened in Korea and Taiwan and China. But I just don't think people should get ahead of themselves in predicting what the box office might be. In terms of film selection, your question has an ironic aspect to it because with Tenet, it's the only film coming out. So it's not really more complicated right now, it's easier what to play and for IMAX it's pretty fortunate that Chris Nolan and IMAX have such a brand affinity and Chris film this movie with IMAX cameras and he urges people to see it in IMAX. But I think as we see what comes out and what moves I think it'll require sort of the same skills it required before. I think we're going to have to just figure out what plays best to our largely millennial audience. What has visual splendor? How does it fit into the calendar? And as I said so far the rest of the year looks pretty promising for us with films like Wonder Woman and Bond and other Black Widow coming out. So we're quite -- we think providing things don't move around, this is a pretty IMAX friendly year.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Jim Goss of Barrington Research.

Jim Goss

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. A couple of them, one other capacity question given the IMAX geometry tends to push the seats toward the front of the screen and space them a little more closely, if say 50% is the maximum capacity in a typical theater say even a non-recliner one, what do you think your realizable capacity would tend to be?

Rich Gelfond

Management

Jim, that's a really good question and one which we haven't sat down to fully think through. I mean I think my maximum capacity is 50%, if that's what the regulation says or a third -- if that's what it says, but you're quite right there'll be some practical issues. So I really don't know the answer.

Jim Goss

Analyst

Okay, because you would tend to be closer to capacity than others given your blockbuster focus. And so then it gets the ability to push things out as Eric Handler was talking about later or earlier. One other thing the Hulu deal, is that an exclusive or are you going to make that content available on other potentially bigger platforms?

Rich Gelfond

Management

It's exclusive in North America but globally we can sell it to other people, Jim.

Jim Goss

Analyst

Okay and maybe one last one impact of political changes in Hong Kong and your China investment. Anything we should be thinking about or concerned about?

Rich Gelfond

Management

In the short run, there's been really nothing noticeable on the ground and as you know because you've covered us a while, China has been a very open place to Hollywood films because it gets people to theaters and to malls and so in the current environment, I don't really see any impact but who knows how out of control this all gets especially during election season. But I wouldn't predict that, Jim.

Jim Goss

Analyst

Was there any difference on Mainland versus within Hong Kong in terms of how the deals were struck?

Rich Gelfond

Management

Yes, in Hong Kong, there's no quota, so in China only 35 foreign films are allowed in, in China there's not that limitation and that hasn't changed.

Operator

Operator

Our next question from Steven Frankel of Colliers.

Steven Frankel

Analyst

Good afternoon. Now Rich let me stress your voice with one more just along the similar lines that we've been talking. You were really successful in China over the last couple of years by juggling the film slate being very nimble playing multiple films in the big release weekends. How much if any does that get negatively impacted by these changes in release schedules and delays? Or do you still anticipate when we get to the big festivals in China, you'll have multiple films to choose from?

Rich Gelfond

Management

I mean I do anticipate that and in fact we didn't mention in our script, but there were four major films in China that was supposed to play over Chinese New Year and there were rumors that several of those at least were going to be moved to the October holiday period in China. And I think if they're moved to that period, we would still expect to have multiple films and to program them the same way.

Operator

Operator

Our next question from Alexia Quadrani of JPMorgan.

David Karnovsky

Analyst

This is David Karnovsky on for Alexia. Rich, in your opening remarks, you laid out the reasons why movie going to be safe activity, given lower capacity assigned seating, patron sitting forward, not speaking and the like. Do you sense that theaters are gaining traction in making this argument to politicians and health regulators? Or is there still some resistance and that's given movies an indoor activity.

Rich Gelfond

Management

Yes. A very good question. I think they're gaining traction but I think that probably as an industry both studios and exhibitors probably could have done some of that sooner and made that case sooner and talked about jobs. There are close to 200,000 jobs in North America associated with the industry. So I think other industries did a better job of advocating that sooner. And I think that the movie industry has been playing a little bit of catch-up but I think they've been doing a decent job recently of playing catch-up and there's been more media, it seems to me more municipal governments more receptive. So I think they're making some traction on it.

David Karnovsky

Analyst

Okay. And then maybe just a follow-up for Patrick. Is there any update to the $10 million cash burn figure now that a significant portion of the footprint is up and running at from capacity?

Patrick McClymont

Management

Well, as I mentioned in the call, if we're continuing under zero revenue then we've communicated that it would be under $10 million. And that's a reasonable number for right now because the network is just ramping up. As it continues to ramp up then you'll see positives in the form of revenue and therefore you would expect to start to see some receivables. On the other side, we will spend to support the titles and so it'll be more of -- it'll be pluses and minuses on a go forward basis. Our expectation is that as the network ramps up relatively quickly, it'll head in a positive direction. We'll get back towards breakeven. So hopefully that helps. We're in a good spot now. And we think we're headed in a better direction.

Operator

Operator

Our next question from Mike Hickey of the Benchmark Company.

Mike Hickey

Analyst

Hey, Rich, Patrick, Brett. Thanks for taking my questions guys and way to execute obviously a difficult environment. Curious if you guys have had a chance to go back into a theater, see a movie on one of your screens and if not, if you've been able to sort of interview your patrons after seeing a movie to get a sense of how strong the movie going experience is with all the additional safety measures that are in place now. And of course the risk of ongoing spread.

Rich Gelfond

Management

So I haven't and Patrick hasn't partly because of where we're located, but several people at IMAX were involved in Tenet in the post-production phase and their reaction was, oh my god, I forgot how great it was to be in a movie. And Tenet is just a very beautifully filmed, beautifully made wonderful movie and they said when they came back, oh my god, I forgot how great it was. And it wasn't just one person and not of one age but a number of IMAX employees kind of spontaneously said that to me.

Mike Hickey

Analyst

Nice. Thanks guys.

Patrick McClymont

Management

I was going to add a little bit, Mike, which is the network did open up in China and our colleagues, a number of our colleagues did try it out over this past weekend. And they commented that there's increased safety protocols. You certainly notice those things and once you sit down and the movie begins, it feels like it always has. It's a - it was a fun immersive experience. And so they said it was really prior to getting into the seat, there were differences but once you're there they said it felt quite normal.

Mike Hickey

Analyst

Nice and is there a two-hour limit to thee film play in China or did they change that or how is that going to impact Tenet or any other films?

Rich Gelfond

Management

So that was a guideline when the theaters first opened but China has already approved a number of films for the next couple weeks from now including Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Interstellar and a number of other things that are like two and a half hours long. So we think it was just an opening week guideline, but not a rule that they intend to enforce.

Mike Hickey

Analyst

Good. The last one for me, it seems like when you have a resurface of the virus, this goes back I guess to the perception of safety, but when you sort of have a re-emergency cluster, it seems like theaters just shutdown pretty quick and maybe you've already answered this, Rich, just sort of curious as you move forward particularly in China where you're seeing pretty big bounce back the sustainability I guess of the reopening process because in fact you do start to see a sprinkle of infections rise again. Thank you.

Rich Gelfond

Management

I don't know understanding on the Chinese government of policies is a full-time job and not one that I have and not one that many people in the world are really good at. So I would guess that if there are high levels of infection rates in some cities that there could be shutdowns in those areas, but with lower infection rates, I think it depends on whether they're contained and how the government thinks about it. But again, this just plays in to what I hope is the takeaway from this call, which is everybody realizes that it was never going to be perfect and not every place was going to be able to be open at the same time. So this is the next best thing and it gets the movies out there, it gets people back you used to going to it and I think we should expect some temporary setbacks in some markets. But it's a better result than you're waiting for everything to be perfect.

Operator

Operator

We will take our last question from Vasily Karasyov of Cannonball Research.

Vasily Karasyov

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon. Rich, you laid out very nicely your confidence in this late in the remainder of the year and looking into the first part of 2021. But I was wondering if you could talk about this, so a lot of IMAX level movies are co-financed by third parties right not Disney but a lot of them are, so in last economic crisis we saw a breakdown in film financing and that resulted in some difficulties at a certain point. So I was wondering looking at those that are in the phase of being financed being in pre-production or something like that in the United States and in China. Do you see any worry signs that you should be worried or we should be worried about some disruption and in the output there because of the financial crisis and debt markets and so on?

Rich Gelfond

Management

I don't and the few films I'm aware of in the US which have been I'm co-financed like Mission Impossible and Top Gun, those are in good shape and they're going ahead. I just -- we don't have that much visibility into the financial structure of a film because we deal with our studio partners. So, Megan, do you have a perspective on that?

Megan Colligan

Analyst

No. I think you're right. I mean I think every structure is a bit specific. And at this time those conversations are best left to them.

Vasily Karasyov

Analyst

But you haven't seen at this point something that would have an impact across the board like when the Chinese financing went away in Hollywood that sort of impacted people. Yyou haven't seen anything like that because of the crisis.

Megan Colligan

Analyst

No. I'd say it's the opposite actually. I mean just to speak to what Rich was saying earlier, the production piece of things has actually gone rather well and productions have been mounted and Hollywood productions in Europe are back on and people are planning some -- there's some big movies going back into production in September. So that the pipeline is actually rather healthy and there was a lot of energy and work put into that. I think now a lot of energy and work is going in to make sure that we safely open movie theaters.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no more following questions in the Q&A.

Brett Harriss

Management

Operator, there's no further questions?

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions. This concludes this call. You may now disconnect.