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Ingles Markets, Incorporated (IMKTA)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Dec 10, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Ingles Markets Fourth Quarter 2015 Earnings Release Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Ron Freeman. Please go ahead, sir.

Ronald Freeman

Management

Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone. And welcome to the Ingles Markets 2015 fourth quarter yearend earnings conference announcement and call. With me today are Robert Ingle II, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Tom Outlaw, Vice President of Sales; and Jim Lanning, President. Statements made on this call include forward-looking statements as defined by and subject to the Safe Harbors created by federal securities laws. Words such as expect, anticipate, intend, plan, likely, goal, seek, believe, and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, which are difficult to predict. Therefore, actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expressed on this call. Ingles Markets does not undertake and declines any obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. For a description of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from that anticipated by forward-looking statements, you are referred to the company's public filings, including the Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended September 26, 2015, that will be filed after market close this afternoon. In accordance with a longstanding company policy and in recognition of the extremely competitive nature of our industry, this call will not address individual competitors or Ingles' marketing strategies other than what's included in the company's public filings. This morning, I'll provide you with a summary of our fourth quarter and annual results followed by additional comments on each period. After that, we will be pleased to take your questions. Our press release issued this morning is available on our website at www.ingles-markets.com. Our Form 10-K will be on the website as well after it's filed this afternoon. We're very pleased to report that annual and…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And first question comes from Bryan Hunt with Wells Fargo.

Bryan Hunt

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Thank you. And good morning, Ron.

Ronald Freeman

Management

Good morning, Bryan. How are you?

Bryan Hunt

Analyst · Wells Fargo

I am doing well. My first question is if you look at same-store sales, could you divide that up between customer count and basket for us?

Ronald Freeman

Management

We've got that information in the 10-K. I don't have it in front of me right now, but you'll be able to get that later on this afternoon.

Bryan Hunt

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Okay. And next, if I were to look at same-store sales across categories, did you see any major differences across categories?

Ronald Freeman

Management

There was a little bit of a mix change this year. We continue to have a little bit higher growth in our perishable categories compared to non-perishable, but that was the most significant change.

Bryan Hunt

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Great. Also, could you give us an idea what your private label penetration is at this point and maybe how many product introductions you had for the year?

Ronald Freeman

Management

We typically do not disclose that information. So I won't be able to answer that for you I’m sorry.

Bryan Hunt

Analyst · Wells Fargo

No problem. And then couple other questions. You are I know, I’ve asked this question over the years, but about the DC expansion and how it’s performing and the savings associated with it, but can you talk to us about maybe where capacity utilization is in the DC and how many stores do you think the current assets can handle?

Ronald Freeman

Management

Well, capacity is going to vary over the time of the year, but in course this being our busiest time, we’ve got plenty of capacity, we’re fine. We’ve got enough capacity in the DC to do whatever we anticipate as far as store and square footage growth for quite some time.

Bryan Hunt

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Okay. Next when I look at the two stores that are under construction that were destroyed, can you talk about maybe what the square footage was in the stores that were raised and then what the new square footage is going to be at these stores when they open up?

Ronald Freeman

Management

I do not have the exact square footage of the two stores that were taking down, but the one that we’ll replace will be our typical size that we’re building these days around 70,000 square feet. So there will be a little bit of square footage pick up once we finish those projects.

Bryan Hunt

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Very good and then lastly, has there been any unusual change in promotional activity from any of your competitors or how would you gauge it or define it at this moment?

Ronald Freeman

Management

I would define it as it’s intensive as it always is. I've no let up in that whatsoever.

Bryan Hunt

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Okay. Very good. I appreciate your time and best of luck next quarter.

Ronald Freeman

Management

Thanks Brian.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we move next to Damian Witkowski with Gabelli & Company.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Hi Ron.

Ronald Freeman

Management

Good morning, Damian.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Congratulations on another record year.

Ronald Freeman

Management

Thank you.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

I want to start off with operating and administrative expenses. They were up $9 million in the quarter, up $30 million for the full year, which is -- this is excluding D&A, which is kind of the biggest ramp I’ve seen for I think actually ever in my model. And so I know that you said that personnel costs and insurance costs were the biggest reasons why it went up, but can you just -- you have about the same number of stores. So should we except that kind of an increase going forward or what is the -- what is really driving those and what should we expect going forward?

Ronald Freeman

Management

The two main things that are driving it is we continue to develop more resources at some of our perishable areas and prepared foods. Those have a higher labor component to them, but they also have a higher gross profit. So I think you need to look at those two things together and also with some of the provisions under the Affordable Care Act, we had a lot of people join our insurance plan this year and used those plans a bit more than we may have anticipated. So we hope that, that will level itself out, but you tell me.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

And then on the gain, on the sale of assets, the $1.9 million and $2.2 million for the full year, how much of that actually falls to the net income line? How was the tax rate on those gains?

Ronald Freeman

Management

There is no different tax rate on those really than anything else. It's so small couple of million dollars out of $90 million pretax income that it didn't really move the needle.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Okay. And when you talk about selling out parcels and demolishing buildings, is that just your normal course of business?

Ronald Freeman

Management

Well, pretty much. We've always had, not always, but in a lot of cases we do have a little bit of extra land, and if there is a good price and it’s a business that is complementary to our stores, then we’re going to look pretty strongly at it. The demolition of existing buildings to rebuild, that’s a little bit of a new thing for us but again it's our plan.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Okay. Can you just -- it sounds like there are two buildings that were destroyed. So how many -- you still have 202 stores operating currently right.

Ronald Freeman

Management

201.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

201 okay, so there is a one okay. And that’s probably going to be the number for the entire fiscal year.

Ronald Freeman

Management

I don’t know. Again we expect to get both of the two rebuilt and open this year, and we’re still -- we're always looking at the order of some of the other things that we’re looking at. So I really would hesitate to give you a number where we think we'll be in store count at the end of 2016.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Okay. Have you thought about just stepping back and giving more guidance on certain five-year plans? It's hard to figure, you're at 201 currently. You're at 202 last year. How do we think about where you're going to be in the five years?

Ronald Freeman

Management

Well, we've never provided that type of guidance. So, really I think it would be instructed to you to kind of look back and look at what our store count has been over the last five-ten years.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Okay.

Ronald Freeman

Management

It's been pretty stable.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Yes, the other thing is if you look at, I know you don't like talking about competition by name, but so let's not do that, but if I look at what's going on your near area you had Harris Teeter being purchased by Kroger. I would have assumed that changes the dynamics there a bit. There isn’t that much overlap, but there is certainly some. You have Publix coming up north pushing into your territories. I don't know how much of a headwind that has been thus far. And then you have even Wall Mart with the smaller neighborhood store markets kind of I think building those out as well and obviously your same-store sales in the fourth quarter were the highest they were for the full -- for the full year. So it doesn’t seem like it's really affecting you that much, but without maybe naming names, I know you said that competition is as severe as it's always been, but how do you think about next two-three years in terms of new competition coming into your markets?

Ronald Freeman

Management

Yeah well, as you mentioned when you first started saying that we're not going to discuss what individual competitors are doing. We focus on what we do and focus on what we have done in the past. We think we’ve been pretty successful with it and that’s going to be continue to be our focus.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Okay. And then just on fuel, obviously it continues to decline I don't know year-over-year in terms of consumers having more money in their pockets. Are you seeing pick up in your store in any particular items that are categories that may be driven by the fact that people do have more money in their pocket?

Ronald Freeman

Management

Well, that's been going on for about a year now. We've really just about lapped the first time that fuel prices dropped. So our fourth quarter comp sales growth was a little bit higher than it was for the full year. So that's perhaps one indication that as prices have started to drift down again a little bit that we're seeing some more of that money inside the store. It's a good thing for us.

Damian Witkowski

Analyst

Good. Thanks Ron.

Ronald Freeman

Management

Sure, you're welcome.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And there are no further questions in queue. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks.

Ronald Freeman

Management

Great. Well thank you very much and we appreciate everyone who has joined us on the call today. We do appreciate your time and your interest in our company. And we want to wish all of you and our customers and our associates a very happy and safe holiday season. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference. We do thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect. Have a great rest of your day.