Michael Tardugno
Analyst · Griffin Securities
That's going to vary little bit from country-to-country. And I'm somewhat reluctant to give you the exact numbers. But I can share with you this is -- but what we’ve decided to do, we think so there is already this price intension between what we see is this enormous clinical benefit in the HCC development program, if we’re right, if we were right. And we see two or three years improvement, and no less, when you add ThermoDox to standardized RFA, if we’re right. The value of this treatment is just spectacular. I can’t even put, at this point, I wouldn't put a number on it. We know that Sorafenib, for example, for 12-week survival benefit, cost the patient, or cost the healthcare system somewhere between $60,000 and $70,000 for 11-weeks. So, we want to be very conscious to the value of ThermoDox, single-treatment of ThermoDox, single treat to treat HCC, on the one hand. On the other hand, we have an non-approved medical product that it will be prescribed, is in the process of being prescribed, to treat patients who have serious lesions on the chest-wall who will be treated multiple times, maybe as many as six or up to the lifetime maximum exposure to anthocyanins. So six cycles, and these things come in vials, so it's about 18 vials to treat a patient with RCW versus three to four vials to treat a patient with HCC. So, we got a little bit of price intension here. So, what we've decided for the Early Access program is not to price on a per vial basis, at this point in time. I mean we’ll eventually get there, but we're not ready to do that, so we decided to price on a per patient basis, not on a per vial basis. So, if a patient has six-cycles, five-cycles and four-cycles of ThermoDox, they're probably going to pay the same amount of money for this treatment regimen. Now we may negotiate that a little bit. Depending upon the market and the reimbursement conditions for -- depending on the country and the reimbursement conditions for the particular hospital or physician, it varies a little bit by hospital, actually some of the countries in Europe. So, I tried to give you a sense and the value of our drug is comparison to an approved drug. And what we're trying to deal is this tension of non-approved medical product being used to treat patients pretty much on a fairly sub-setting versus the real value of ThermoDox and providing an overall survival benefit to primary liver cancer patients. It didn't answer your question. But I hope I gave you the outline of what we're dealing with.