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Independent Bank Corp. (INDB)

Q1 2013 Earnings Call· Fri, Apr 26, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Independent Bank Corp., First Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] This call may contain forward-looking statements with respect to the financial condition, results of operations and business of Independent Bank Corp. Actual results may be different. Independent Bank Corp., cautions you against unduly relying upon any forward-looking statements and disclaims any intent to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether in response to new information, future events or otherwise. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Christopher Oddleifson, President and CEO. Sir, please go ahead.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Thank you, and good morning, and thank you everybody for joining us today. Denis Sheahan, our Chief Financial Officer, will further discuss our quarterly performance following my comments. Well, we orchard [ph] into 2013 with our solid quarter, we continue to capitalize on our competitive strengths, expand our customer base, extend the reach of the Rockland Trust brand and drive organic growth. Core earnings in the first quarter amounted to $13.3 million or $0.58 per share. This represents healthy earnings growth of 9% over the prior year. Operating fundamentals remained strong. We generated growth in our commercial portfolio despite having to rebuild the pipeline after a remarkable Q4 and amidst stiffening competition. We continue to make excellent inroads to the C&I sector as our client base are [ph] quality midsized companies steadily grows and an increase in our construction portfolio strikes a new economic activity in our area. The investments we recently made in our commercial business are really paying off and we are very committed to its future growth. We continue to add seasoned bankers to our ranks and our desire to add depth greater sophistication to our relationship banking model. We have a large team of commercial bankers enabling us to see many potential deals throughout our footprint. We also recently decided to extend our new investment management office about to open in Boston to accommodate commercial banking as well. You may recall a similar effort in our Providence office has proved to be very successful. Total loan growth in the first quarter was tampered however by continued run-off in the [indiscernible] mortgage portfolio where refinancing activity remains high, as many of you know we sell the vast majority of the residential loans we originate. Core deposit levels remain in good shape holding at 83% of total deposits,…

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Thanks, Chris, and good morning. Independent Bank Corp. reported net income of $12.3 million and GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.54 in the first quarter of 2013, as compared to net income of $10 million and diluted earnings per share of $0.45 in the fourth quarter of last year. Both quarters included merger and acquisition charges and this first quarter included severance associated with the outsourcing of the banks' mortgage operations as discussed last quarter. Excluding these items, diluted earnings per share on an operating basis were $0.58 in the first quarter of 2013, as compared to $0.61 in the fourth quarter of last year. Year-over-year diluted earnings per share improved by 4%. I’ll now review a number of key topics; as anticipated, following the robust period of growth in 2012 and in particular a gangbuster fourth quarter loans were essentially flat through year end. However, commercial pipelines are rebuilding and prospects for reemergence of growth look good. Asset quality trends were generally favorable and as expected the net interest margin continue to compress. I will expand on each of these items in greater detail in a moment. Key performance ratios were solid in the first quarter with return on average assets and return on average equity on an operating basis at 96 basis points and 10.04% respectively. Commercial loans grew at 5% on annualized basis; commercial and industrial continue at a respectable growth path and of note construction activity is solid with linked quarter growth of 12% on annualized and year-to-year growth of 43%. The growth in construction continues to be driven by a good mix of commercial and residential development, the latter due to limited inventory. Commercial growth was offset by a reduction in the residential real estate portfolio due to refinancing activity combined with the slowing…

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Yes. Operator, we are ready for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Mark Fitzgibbon with Sandler O'Neill & Partners.

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst

This is Matt filling in for Mark. Just a quick question, I am sorry I missed this. But the approved loan pipeline, did you say Denis that it was a 183?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Yes, it's up 43% from year-end and we expect it to continue to build from here, activity is very good here as we enter into the second quarter.

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst

And how about a weighted average rate?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

I am not going to get into that Matt, I could in to sort of a more competitive pricing. I am not going to get into it, how we price our loans.

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst

Okay. And how about the mortgage banking pipeline can you give us a sense of that absolute level as well as the pricing that you are seeing in the secondary market?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Yes I think our pipelines around $70 million, and what was your second part of your question?

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst

To give the pricing you are seeing in the secondary market, I am trying to get at gain on sale margins that we can expect?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

I don't know that I have that, still on the 1.75% to 2% range.

Matthew Forgotson

Analyst

Perfect. And then just broadly you know the TCE ratio looks like it's on track to accrete to about 7% by year end as you guys have projected and CVK appears to be integrating smoothly, currency strong. When might you do another deal and in which direction might you like to extend the franchise just broad macro question for you?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Yes, Matt this is Chris, we have always said in the past, doing a deal is completely sort of optimistic and given the number of franchises out there, beginning increasing sort of a random event. So if a Board of Director were to raise their hand and say, "let's see we want to consider strategic alternative", we would like to be at the table, but other than sort of national basis which I predict consolidation nationally, I cannot sort of, predict anything locally. In terms of where we would like to expand and what we have said is that we believe that the vast majority of the economic activity in Massachusetts sort of 495, a little bit beyond 495 east. So now we have done well with our acquisitions slades, Ben [ph] and central. So we are looking to expand sort of incrementally out from where we are has sort of been our past M.O. and that’s worked well.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Aaron Brann with KBW.

Aaron Brann

Analyst

One of the things that we’ve heard from many banks this earnings season is that loan price in particularly for commercial loans is intensifying. Are you seeing that as well?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Certainly, it’s competitive, but we are not at the -- we see the occasional sort of ’05, ’06 kind of pricing, but it’s not overwhelming, I mean we still have, we have enough business development capability that we are able to generate the kind of both pricing and underwriting terms that meet our desire. Last year, we looked at I think $1.08 billion of credit opportunity. We closed just shy of $900 million. So we are bringing enough new opportunities and that I guess perhaps we can be somewhat selective, but it is competitive, we do see pricing pressure, also term pressure, but it’s not overwhelming, like it was back in sort of ’05, ’06.

Aaron Brann

Analyst

Okay. And then secondly, I saw in the press release that your securities portfolio expanded in order to strengthen your liquidity position, do you believe that process is complete or should we expect further additions to your securities portfolio.

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

You shouldn't expect in the near term robust changes in our securities portfolio. The portfolio increases now generally for collateral purposes but also to improve our liquidity position. I think longer term, this bank will have a bigger securities portfolio. If you just look at from a where -- from a regulatory perspective, guidance is pushing for greater on-balance sheet liquidity. So I think longer term, this bank will have bigger securities portfolio, but we are not particularly enamored with a big securities portfolio in today's rate environment. And you can see that by the way we've managed it, the portfolios you know sub-10% of assets. So we are not a big, not very enamored of a large securities portfolio today.

Aaron Brann

Analyst

Okay. And my final question is, your salary and compensation line increased obviously, part of that is probably the normal seasonality, part of it is the full quarter of Central Bancorp, could you just quantify what was the seasonal impact on a dollar basis this quarter that may drop off into 2Q?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

I'm not sure I have that here. Also keep in mind, there was severance in category as well. There's about $350,000 of severance associated with our mortgage operation that inflates it too. Beyond that, it’s a payroll tax category, which is a little bit higher here in the first quarter. I'm not sure I have the detail of the number, but yes, I don't have that level of detail with me Aaron.

Aaron Brann

Analyst

Okay. And I am sorry, I do have one more question. I believe in your prepared remarks, you mentioned that you've already realized 43% of the costs saves with respect to the Central Bancorp acquisition, are there more to be had or in the months since the deal is closed, have you gotten basically everything now that you think you can get?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

We are largely done, you know there may be some modest saves beyond this, but we worked very hard and very diligently right around the time of closing and the time of systems conversion to get out the vast, vast majority of the saves and that’s where we are now.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Mac Hodgson with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

Mac Hodgson

Analyst

Denis, a question on the guidance. I may have missed this, but just curious if there was any change to the loan guidance, the expense guidance and the fee income guidance, given that relative to what you gave in the last conference call?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

No, we think we will be ball parking in the same areas and each of those. I think we guided deposit growth 3% to 4%, loan growth 4% to 5% if I remember correctly, it will be in those ballparks. Yes, loan growth, 4% to 5%, deposit 3% to 4%, that’s what we're still thinking. You know certainly we expect it will happen in the first quarter, little -- we actually did 70 basis points reduction in the loan portfolio and no deposit growth. So those were expected, no significant variance from what we anticipated. So we still feel good about those loan and deposit numbers and similarly on the expense and the fee income side, no real surprises.

Mac Hodgson

Analyst

You continue to have excellent asset quality. There was a little bit of an uptick in new non-performers, just curious if you can give some color there?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

It's a handful of commercial credits that migrated in to either delinquency or in to non-performing. We're not concerned about the loss associated with those. We knew that there was some weakness there, but overall it's very modest Mac. When you look at that level of increase on a $3.1 billion commercial portfolio, it's very modest. Our commercial team is confident that we have them well in control and any losses associated with it are in the guidance we gave you in January and that we just reaffirmed now in April. So we are not concerned, we are actually feeling pretty good about what's going on, on the consumer side, even though that’s a smaller side of our portfolio, about a third of our loan portfolio is in our consumer real estate side and that appears to be improving quite significantly. So we are feeling pretty confident relative to the guidance that we have provided in January and just reaffirmed today.

Mac Hodgson

Analyst

Okay, great. Just one last topic, I was curious on the Boston -- kind of Boston officer just add in the commercial bankers to the Boston investment management office, just curious will those be new hires and will there be any sort of different approach or kind of like target business side that you would be going after or would be kind of the same typical quarter?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

It's going to be a combination. We are -- it's important to sort of when you open up a new office like that not to have everybody new because you want the company culture and approach to be sort of present in the office. So it will be a combination of both the investment side and the commercial lending side. And we are not going -- it's not going to be a target all this much, we have a good chunk of our commercial portfolio in Boston right now, I think it's 9% of commercial well outstanding. So we are in there now, we did not have an office, having office will give us more of a presence and more of a visible commitment to the study.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from David Darst with Guggenheim Securities.

David Darst

Analyst

I guess part of the acquisitions central was it would require some significant investment in those branches, is that in the run rate for this year or is that something that’s been capitalized?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

It’s generally all capitalized because it’s a leasehold or owned facility improvement, so a vast majority of that will be capitalized unless it was relatively immaterial. We are not finished with the renovations, we are going to renovate all the facilities and central, they really needed it. And I think 6 of the mine are done, the other 3 are more significant projects that will be done, 2 of the 3 will be done later this year, the third one might fall into winter early next year, but 6 of the 9 are done. And therefore, would be in the current run rate.

David Darst

Analyst

I guess are you seeing an increase in branch activity and kind of new business development in those 6 that you've done the renovations?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

It’s early, Dave.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Yes, it's really early, Dave. I think the probably more significant factor is that we have been able to bring our -- the Rockland Trust products so this is an, sort of customer service approach to the market and that has generated some nice business. It's separate and teasing that apart from having a fresh coat of paint and new counters and new logos, it's tough to tell. I think it’s mostly the people driving the increased activity. And I would say let's be clear here, these are early days, we've essentially -- the focus initially is close, convert, cost saves, yes some renovations but now it's on growth and these are clearly early days here. There's lots of opportunity in that footprint and we want to go after it in a very methodical way. So activity will increase. We've just begun, for example, across our footprint but certainly there's big emphasis in the newer footprint. We've just begun our spring marketing campaign. So we feel good about our prospects there, but it’s going to take some time to execute it.

David Darst

Analyst

Okay, Denis as are you talking about your [indiscernible] position is that a discussion that you are having with the regulators and are they may be encouraging you or your peers do you think to become more asset sensitive?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

No, I mean certainly we have conversations with our regulators relative to many things, but certainly one of the biggest risks today in banking has got to be interest rate risk, and we think we are managing it pretty effectively. The regulators don't sit down and encourage you one way or the order, but let's just say our dialogue with the regulators relative to our interest rate position is very good. So this being asset sensitive here is somewhat painful, but we believe it’s the right thing to do. We can't necessarily form an opinion on when rates are going up or if they are going up, but there's a lot of danger that can be created by putting a lot of fixed rate products on your books today and that's sort of philosophically how we think about it.

David Darst

Analyst

Okay. Both of you in your comments used the word slash and burn in regarding expense management, are you seeing other banks more aggressively take that approach and then doing that they are withdrawing from the market and from some of their customer service avenues?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

I think it’s one of sort of reaction, but our comment there is really getting at sort of what we've been doing over time. We've accomplished a lot at Rockland Trust over the last several years through operational consolidation, branch closure, branch consolidation, renegotiation of major contracts. Re-thinking fees, getting in to the swap business for example which is good for the customers and good for the team. We've really been very sort of step wise methodical and careful about this. We've also deliberately maintained our investment and things like that and that's the management business development group. We have 14 people who are focused exclusively in business development. That's why we are seeing increased performance there. We are reluctant to cut significantly in the muscle. We have all experience in our careers and I won't sort of name names, but large organizations take in a very significant sort of one-time, let's get out 10% of the cost structure and our experience has been it completely decimates an organization’s ability to grow and serve customers. So while we’ve recognized we have a expense ratio that needed to come down and we are looking at a number of ways to do that and both on the revenue enhancement and the expense reduction. There are other banks who have announced major sort of cost reduction programs and sort of laid out sort of expectations. We're going to continue our AMO which is focusing in a disciplined way how we can increment the take-out cost without impacting the viability and sustainability of our business going forward there and our ability to generate shareholder value. The is probably more than you wanted to hear. Denis, what would you add to that?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

No, I think that’s absolutely right. That's how we continue to think about it.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Showing no further questions in our queue, this will conclude the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Thank you very much, everybody. We appreciate you joining us on our call this morning. We look forward to getting another update in 3 months. Have a good weekend. Thank you. Bye.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. Please disconnect your lines.