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indie Semiconductor, Inc. (INDI)

Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 8, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon and welcome to indie Semiconductor's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Ashish Gupta, Investor Relations. Mr. Gupta, please go ahead.

Ashish Gupta

Management

Thank you, Operator. Good afternoon and welcome to indie Semiconductor's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. Joining me today are Don McClymont, indie's Co-Founder and CEO; Raja Bal, indie's Acting CFO and Chief Accounting Officer; and Mark Tyndall, Head of Corporate Development and Investor Relations. As a reminder, our CFO, Tom Schiller, is currently recuperating well on medical leave of absence. Don will provide opening remarks and discuss business highlights, followed by Raja's review of indie's Q2 results and Q3 outlook. Please note that we will be making forward-looking statements based on current expectations and assumptions, which are subject to risks and uncertainties. These statements reflect our views only as of today and should not be relied upon as representative about views as of any subsequent date. These statements are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. For material risks and other important factors that could affect our financial results, please review our risk factors in our annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2023, as well as other public reports filed with the SEC. Finally, the results and guidance discussed today are based on consolidated non-GAAP financial measures such as non-GAAP gross margin, non-GAAP operating income loss, non-GAAP net income loss, and non-GAAP EBITDA. These metrics may exclude from its corresponding GAAP measures certain of the following items: depreciation and amortization, share-based compensation, acquisition-related expenses, gain or loss from change in fair values, non-cash interest expense and income tax benefits or expenses. For a complete reconciliation to GAAP and the definition for the above items, please see our Q2 earnings press release, which was issued in advance of this call, and can be found on our Web site at www.indiesemi.com. I'll now turn the call over to Donald.

Don McClymont

Management

Thanks, Ashish, and welcome everybody. I want to start by welcoming Mark Tyndall, our new Head of Corporate Development and Investor Relations to indie. Mark is looking forward to meeting all of you over the next months. Let me first briefly cover our revenue performance in the context of the overall automotive market environment before focusing on the technical and business achievements. During the second quarter of 2024, indie achieved total revenue of $52.4 million, coming in flat from Q1 at the lower end of our previous outlook. Our results were generally in line with the automotive market, where unfavorable global macroeconomic conditions impacted vehicle production, with consensus forecasts currently projecting approximately 88 million units for 2024, in comparison to just over 90 million units in 2023. Additionally, given lower consumer pricing specials for vehicle purchases and reduced global electric vehicle stimulus programs, automotive OEMs have been prioritizing de-featured vehicles, which has led to reduced semiconductor content. These factors, coupled with ongoing inventory consumption which persisted in the second quarter, negatively impacted our revenue against our prior outlook. We now anticipate this trend will spill over into the second-half of 2024, as reflected in most recent analyst estimates, which project essentially flat to low single-digit negative growth for the automotive semiconductor industry in 2024. Despite these headwinds, we believe that with our new product launches and current customer status, indie is poised to deliver modest growth in the third quarter, growing above the market to reach outsized growth levels as we move through the second-half of 2024 and into 2025. Now, looking closely at our business progress in the second quarter, in the ADAS sector, I want to point out that indie is unique and differentiates itself from its competitors as being the only chip vendor offering all four of…

Raja Bal

Management

Thanks, Donald. Revenue for the second quarter of 2024 was roughly flat year-over-year at $52.4 million, coming in at the low end of our outlook, as Donald outlined. Non-GAAP gross profit was $26.3 million, translating into a 50.3% gross margin, which was slightly below plan, resulting primarily from an unfavorable product mix. R&D was $32.8 million, while SG&A was $10.7 million, bringing total operating expenses to $43.5 million, consistent with our forecast. As a result, our second quarter non-GAAP operating loss was $17.2 million. With net interest expense of $800,000, our net loss was $18 million, and net loss per share was $0.09 on a base of 191.1 million shares. Turning to the balance sheet, during the quarter, we incurred total cash usage of $19.7 million through operating activities and $3.7 million in CapEx expansion, exiting the quarter with $122.6 million of total cash. Moving to our outlook, for the third quarter of 2024, we expect to deliver modest quarter-over-quarter revenue growth within the range of 0% to 5% or 2.5% at the midpoint, outpacing the projected automotive industry. At the same time, we expect gross margins of approximately 50% and OpEx of $44 million. Below the line, we anticipate $1 million in net interest expense and no taxes. Assuming the midpoint of the revenue range and with 199.5 million shares outstanding, we expect $0.9 net loss per share for the third quarter. Looking further ahead, based on the production ramp plans for our radar and vision programs, we anticipate a return to our industry-leading growth trajectory in 2025 and beyond. With that, I'll turn the call back to Donald for his closing comments.

Don McClymont

Management

Thanks, Raja. In closing, while industry headwinds for the automotive market have persisted, indie's strategic outlook continues to strengthen, driven by our design win momentum. driven by our design-win momentum. Our focus on innovation, customer engagement and operational excellence is distinguishing us in the market. With cutting edge solutions spanning ADAS, user experience, and electrification, indie remains at the forefront of the automotive industry's transformative mega trends. We're excited about our future, and remain ideally positioned to capitalize on market opportunities as conditions improve, continuing our journey to build the next automotive powerhouse global semiconductor company. That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Suji Desilva. Please go ahead.

Suji Desilva

Analyst

Hi, Donald. Hi, Raja. So, maybe I can start with the overall auto demand environment in the second-half. Donald, can you characterize where we are in the auto inventory digestion cycle as we look at 3Q, and then 4Q qualitatively, and by early-'25, any call for when it may be worked through, whether it already is, any color there would be helpful? Thank you.

Don McClymont

Management

So, as we said in the prepared remarks, we are seeing the inventory situation significantly improving, and that was certainly the case through Q2. It did persevere a little longer than we expected. But at this point, we're seeing general recovery from the inventory situation. And we do expect that that will allow us a little more flexibility going forward into the second-half of the year.

Suji Desilva

Analyst

Okay, thanks. And then, looking ahead to '25 and the lead radar program, along with other programs, I guess, do you have any sense of the timing in the '25 timeframe we would start to see that revenue contribution, and if what factors can impact the commencement of that program if it's relatively fixed in place with model years or there's some variability there? Any color there would be helpful as well. Thanks.

Don McClymont

Management

Well, this is a very large program, so it entails ramping through our key lead customer, multiple OEM. So, it will be something that takes some, let's say, significant amount of time to get to full volume. But we are very confident now about the situation that we find ourselves in. I mean the parts are back as we mentioned in the prepared remarks also, they've been very successful in testing. We've made super-fast progress to get through that whole process. So, we feel that a lot of the execution risk is really out of that. We won't comment on exact timing because there's a certain amount of confidentiality that we have with our lead customer and who is getting what, when, but we feel, generally, really positive about the situation. I'd add also that the vision ramps that we're expecting to happen through the second-half of this year and into next year in the sense that, again, the engineering risk is out for those programs, the products are mature. And it really is a question of the deployment really within our end customer, which has been running reasonably well, I would say.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Ross Seymore. Please go ahead.

Ross Seymore

Analyst

Hey, Donald. Just a question on the certainty, and it kind of follows up Suji's question to a certain extent, but 90 days ago, when you talked to us, everybody thought that market would get a bit better in the back-half, and that hasn't happened as much as we hoped; I get that part. But you also talked about a lot of the growth you were confident in being driven by company-specific ramps. So, I guess what happened to those company-specific ramps? And more importantly than that, if they didn't happen to some degree, what gives you confidence or the willingness to commit to the radar side of things given the uncertainty that seems to be hitting today?

Don McClymont

Management

I mean -- so, nothing is missing from our backlog. There is no programs lost. We are very confident that everything that we talked about before will happen. We have seen some delays in programs. You've probably read a lot about some of the restructuring at the major automotive companies, where people are now missing from certain programs or not there anymore, and that's caused a certain amount of delay for us in the market, also coupled with the fact that they're also consuming a certain amount of inventory from older generation products, which causes a little delay. But generally speaking, they are on track; they will ramp. And any of the delays are, let's say, more organic in nature rather than some conscious, large decision to delay a program or cancel anything, that's not been the case. So, we feel good about that. And really, in this case, it's just a knock-on effect of the macro that's caused this slight delay. So, nothing lost, and we're feeling super excited about what's coming. We've also seen a lot of momentum in design wins through the course of this quarter which should drive our future even higher as we move forward.

Ross Seymore

Analyst

Thanks for that color. And then, I guess as my follow-up, either probably for you and Raja, getting on to the profitability side and the gross margin specifically. We've heard from some of your other auto semi exposed peers about the tier 1s and others burning inventory down to ridiculously -- well, let me say significantly lower levels than people had expected, returning to past behavior despite the shortage issue that they all complained about in the middle of the pandemic. So, one, are you seeing that? And two, is there any pricing follow-on, and that would kind of lead to the gross margin trajectory for next year?

Don McClymont

Management

Yes, we do see that. I mean we're sure back to just-in-time, and in spite of what happened during the allocation situation, no material pricing impact for us as yet that we can see.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Anthony Stoss. Please go ahead.

Anthony Stoss

Analyst

Thanks. I just want to start with offering Tom my best wishes. Hopefully he'll be back in short order. Donald, I wanted to follow up on Ross' question. I think you kind of dodged it to some degree. In the past, you've talked about half-a-dozen to dozen new programs launching between Q3-Q4 this calendar year. On the call, you said there's delays in some production ramps. Can you maybe equate to half the wins that you thought were going to go live aren't going to go live, they're going to shift a quarter, just any more detail on -- you're saying you haven't lost them, I'm just trying to figure out where the shift is?

Don McClymont

Management

Yes, I mean it's just a knock-on effect of the macro situation. We have seen certain product verticals which are a little more impacted than others. Some have indeed ramped, and that's been, in some cases, in the last quarter, at least offset by some additional inventory consumption. So, some of them have already happened. And that's nice because once you start then the -- you're opening the spigot and it will begin to ramp through. So, from our perspective, again nothing's lost. There's some slight delays in these programs. And we expect that the second-half will begin to pick up and drive strongly through 2025.

Anthony Stoss

Analyst

Okay. And then, on top of the first major radar win, I think you've, in the past, talked about wins with Bosch and Ficosa. Are those still on track or just any update you can provide on those two would be helpful?

Don McClymont

Management

Yes, those are very much so on track. They're slated to ramp next year. And we're really happy with the progress on those programs.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Craig Ellis. Go ahead, sir.

Craig Ellis

Analyst

Yes, thanks for taking my question. Donald, I'll just start with a follow-up to Tony's question there on radar Bosch and Ficosa. Can you give us some sense for when you'd expect each of those programs to ramp during the year? Are they all kicking off in the first quarter or will it be more phased as we go one through 4Q?

Don McClymont

Management

No, they're phased. I mean we won't give specific ramp dates for our customer programs, but they are, indeed, phased throughout the whole year.

Craig Ellis

Analyst

Got it. And then, Raja, I wanted to cycle back to gross margin guide for the third quarter. So, why would it be with revenues up that we're down a little bit quarter-on-quarter, can you just talk through some of the gives and takes in gross margin? Thank you.

Raja Bal

Management

So, we're not expecting gross margin to erode next quarter. We had a slight downtick in Q3, and that was primarily the result of some unfavorable product mix that we saw in the quarter.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Jon Tanwanteng. Please go ahead.

Jon Tanwanteng

Analyst

Hi. I was wondering if you could go through the de-contenting trend, and when you think that might reverse, and how that's impacting, I guess, your forecasts or your backlog as how you think of it? Are the indicated volumes that your customers are telling you they want lower than they were before, and especially as they into '25?

Don McClymont

Management

I mean there are some short-term puts and takes that we see. We don't really see a shift in 2025 because the forecast for those errors are, I would say, reasonably fixed at this point. I mean, obviously, that can change, but at this point, we don't see a big impact from that. And next year, it's really more of a short-term issue that we've seen where just really due to consumer appetite to buy lower-priced cars, increasing versus higher-priced cars, and that is generally bad for the semiconductor content overall. It's not specific to us. It's a general market trend.

Jon Tanwanteng

Analyst

Okay, got it. And then, as we look into Q3 and possibly Q4 flat to up revenue, I assume that incorporates some of the new launches that you're doing. Is it fair to imply that the existing products you had heading into Q3 are declining as a result?

Don McClymont

Management

Not declining, no, but there is still some inventory burn off in certain spot areas of our product portfolio, which is now largely alleviated compared to what we went through in the last couple of quarters, but still something that we need to manage. It has been offset by new program ramps, but yes, I mean, we hope we're getting conservatively.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Cody Acree. Please go ahead, sir.

Cody Acree

Analyst

Yes, thanks for taking my questions and my best to Tom on his recovery.

Don McClymont

Management

Thanks, Cody.

Cody Acree

Analyst

Absolutely. Could we maybe talk a bit about your mix between product revenue and contract revenue? We don't usually talk a lot about that mix with contracting typically pretty consistent, but with it being down 50% and your product revenue being up 8%, there seemed to be a dichotomy this quarter.

Don McClymont

Management

Yes, so that's a good point. So, our total NRE contract revenue as a percentage of total has come down this quarter, as well as it did last quarter, as you pointed out. And we expect that trend to continue. In fact, over time, we're going to see more of a shift towards ASSP as opposed to custom ASICs in our business. And so, that, over the long-term, we expect will come down over time.

Cody Acree

Analyst

So your expectations for the September and December periods are for contract versus product.

Don McClymont

Management

Fairly flat to where we are today.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, there are no more questions at this time. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.