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Inter Parfums, Inc. (IPAR)

Q2 2025 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 7, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Interparfums, Inc.'s Second Quarter 2025 Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Karin Daly, Vice President at the Equity Group and Interparfums' Investor Relations Representative.

Karin Daly

Analyst

Thank you, Joe. Joining us on the call today will be Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Jean Madar; and Chief Financial Officer, Michel Atwood. As a reminder, this conference call may contain forward-looking statements, which involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to be materially different from projected results. These factors may be found in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission under the heading Forward-Looking Statements and Risk Factors. Forward-looking statements speak only as of the date on which they are made, and Interparfums undertakes no obligation to update the information discussed. Interparfums consolidated results include two business segments: European-based operations through Interparfums SA, the company's 72% owned French subsidiary and United States-based operations. With that, it's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Jean Madar. Jean?

Jean Madar

Analyst

Thank you, Karin. And good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's call. We began the year on a strong note, and that is continuing, but at a slower pace and with more speed bumps along the way than in recent years. Even so, the measures undertaken months ago, including price increases that will come into effect beginning this month and strategically shifting some of our sourcing and manufacturing, along with product innovation and effective advertising and promotional programs have enabled us to maintain and fulfill demand for our fragrance products. There is no question that momentum eased in the second quarter for us and many others in our industry and some of the challenges we faced will likely continue into the second half of the year. That said, our lean, adaptable operating model, combined with the support from our distributor, retail and manufacturing partners as well as the proactive and timely actions we have taken position us to fully resolve these challenges by 2026. As we reported last month, for the first 6 months, organic net sales, which excludes the impact of foreign exchange and the discontinuation of the Dunhill license rose 3% with first quarter shipments ahead of budget and second quarter below. European-based operations reported net sales grew 6% in the second quarter and 7% in the first half, with robust performance in the U.S. that outpaced the broader fragrance industry, led by Jimmy Choo fragrances. In our U.S.-based operations, reported second quarter net sales were down 20%, with 8% of that due to sell-out of the remaining Dunhill inventory last year, which concluded in August. On an organic basis, U.S. operations sales were down 14% in the second quarter and down 6% in the first half. As I review regional performance, I will…

Michel Atwood

Analyst

Yes. Thank you, Jean. Good morning, everyone. Let me start with our overall results, and then I'll go through the details for our European and United-based operations. As Jean shared and as previously reported, we delivered net sales of $334 million, a slight decline from the 2024 second quarter due in part to the shift of some of the sales from the second quarter into the first quarter we had disclosed in the first quarter release. On an organic basis, our first half sales grew by 3%, and we remain on track to meet our guidance for the year, supported by a balanced mix of legacy scent sales, key brand extensions, the seasonal lift we typically see from gift set sales in the third and fourth quarter and favorable foreign exchange impacts. Gross margin expanded by 170 basis points to 66.2% and 150 basis points to 65% for the second quarter and first 6 months of the year. This was driven by favorable brand and channel mix and namely the impact of the discontinuation of Dunhill, which drove a big part of the improvements on the U.S. operations during the quarter, which you've seen as well. SG&A expenses as a percentage of net sales were 48.5% and 45% for the second quarter and first half of 2025 as opposed -- as compared to 45.6% and 43.6% for the comparable periods in 2024, with A&P expenses of $69 million or 20.6% in the second quarter and $120 million or 18% of first half net sales, respectively. Our A&P investments grew 5% in the first half compared to 2024 as we continue to execute our successful strategy of investing in A&P slightly ahead of growth to fuel healthy sellout. Overall, our consolidated operating income was $59 million for the quarter, a 9%…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And the first question comes from the line of Ashley Helgans with Jefferies.

Sydney A. Wagner

Analyst

This is Sydney on for Ashley. First wondering, can you just talk about what you saw in terms of promotional levels, maybe how that progressed versus Q1 and then throughout the quarter? And then any more color you can provide kind of on what you're seeing from the destocking? It sounded like that wasn't a huge concern last quarter. So wondering if you do feel like that's kind of worsened in Q2 and maybe what you've seen from a trend perspective there? And then just any comments on end demand and kind of more granularity around that?

Michel Atwood

Analyst

Yes. So maybe -- Sydney, I'll probably take the question around your last two, and then Jean can address the promotional levels. So I mean, destocking is always a very difficult one to assess. As you know, we sell to distributors who sell to retailers. So think about it as like it's kind of like when you get to a toll booth and somebody hits the brake on the highway, everything kind of starts to back up and things start to slow down. We've certainly seen a slowdown in the market. And as a result, the retailers have been more prudent and the distributors have also been more prudent. And I think that, that little disconnect between sell-in and sell-out is largely basically is factored and triggered that. Now related to that, your last question around the demand. Actually, the end demand was pretty good this quarter. The market was up overall -- for the top 7 markets that we track, the market was up 5% in the second quarter and is up 3% on a year-to-date basis. So it's actually quite healthy. And actually, if you look at how we did versus the market, we actually did a little bit better. We grew share in the first quarter. We also grew share in the second quarter. So overall, we have performed slightly better than the market. Now when we look at our competitors, we're seeing very similar situation, which is their sell-out typically is looking better than their sell-in. And as you know, obviously, Coty and Estée Lauder haven't published yet, but we see that pretty clearly through the numbers from LVMH and L'Oreal that actually had pretty -- had actually flat to slightly declining numbers for the first -- for this quarter. So overall, I think we're seeing pretty similar trends from our key competitors, which is sell-in is growing more slowly. And I think that really does show that it's a broad industry-wide situation that's kind of happening related to the slowdown, right. And Jean, on the promotional level?

Jean Madar

Analyst

I will add -- before promotional level, I would like to add something. As you know, we have been in this business for many years, more than 35. It's not the first time that we see gaps between sell-in and sell-out. And what I remember is it's usually a response to lack of visibility. The sellout is good, but the distributors or the retailers do not want to buy as much and take this opportunity to reduce their inventory. When it happened at this time of the year, I told my team that we have to be very ready to answer a big surge of orders that could happen in September, in October, in November, even at a very late stage. So we need to be agile. We need to -- and that's why we kept our guidance at this level because we think that due to the fact that the products are selling, our distributors are going to need merchandise very soon [indiscernible] for destocking. Regarding the first -- can you remind me the first question?

Michel Atwood

Analyst

Promotional -- it's a promotional level, Jean.

Jean Madar

Analyst

Nothing in particular, nothing different than before. It's not more or less. The business, as you know, is already very promotional. We are using a lot of tools like gift with purchase and sampling, et cetera. But very -- I don't see any new things going on in the promotion.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Susan Anderson with Canaccord Genuity.

Susan Kay Anderson

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity.

I think just a follow-up really quick on the tariff-related impact to second quarter. By that, I guess, did you just mean retailers pulling back on ordering because of the tariffs? So I guess, similar to the destocking?

Jean Madar

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity.

No, I would not. The retailers are not subject to tariffs. We gave them a price. But distributors for sure. But this is part of this uncertain times, lack of visibility that I was mentioning before. As of a couple of weeks ago, we are talking about a much higher tariff, and we are also talking about a reciprocal tariff, which thank God did not happen. But no, we cannot say that the lack of purchasing or the lack of -- the level of purchasing is lower because of tariff...

Susan Kay Anderson

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity.

Got it. Okay...

Michel Atwood

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity.

Yes. I think that just generally people are being, I think, a little bit more prudent, I think is really what you're hearing from Jean. And that inevitably can drive a point or two...

Susan Kay Anderson

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity.

And then I guess just looking out over the next couple of years, you've added quite a few brands, I guess, to the lineup, especially now with Longchamp, you have Off-White, Solférino. I guess do you think you'll still be looking to add -- like do you think you have capacity to take on more? Or is this going to kind of be the lineup in terms of new brands coming on board in the next couple of years?

Jean Madar

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity.

This is a very good question. We always look for diversifying the portfolio. And I think the addition of the -- latest addition of Longchamp, Longchamp is a great company selling bags. We have very, very good experience and results with a brand like Coach. So it was very natural to capture the Longchamp brand. So between Longchamp, Lacoste [indiscernible] that are very well recognized and also more -- less known brands like Off-White or Goutal, we think that these are good complements to the portfolio. What does it -- does it mean we can take more? Definitely, we can absolutely take more brands. We will, of course, with time, edit the portfolio. There are some brands, smaller brands that maybe in a year or 2 or 3 will not be part of the portfolio. It's a natural life of a company.

Operator

Operator

And the next question comes from the line of Hamed Khorsand with BWS Financial.

Hamed Khorsand

Analyst · BWS Financial.

I just want to ask you about -- your comment about the retailers and how they're waiting on purchasing. What kind of risk does that impose for you? Is there a chance where you get a big slug of your revenue gets pushed into Q4?

Michel Atwood

Analyst · BWS Financial.

Yes. I mean definitely, when you have this kind of uncertainty, the September period, August, September period is generally a pretty big period for gift sets. It's very easy for things to kind of move from one week to another and could shift from September to October. I mean it's very difficult to kind of plan. It's also one of the reasons why we typically don't guide by quarter. We generally guide for the year. But again, I think, what Jean said is that what we're clearly seeing is that there is pent-up demand. We're seeing it through the market growth, through the consumption of our brands. And it's not only the case for us, but it's also the case for our competitors. So we believe that there's definitely some pent-up demand. And if the market continues to be strong, I think we'll certainly see probably some orders picking up in the third and fourth quarter. I think the other thing that people are going to wait and see and particularly in the U.S. is the impact of the pricing that is being taken to offset some of the cost of the tariffs. And I think that's probably why also some of the retailers in the U.S. are being a little more prudent.

Hamed Khorsand

Analyst · BWS Financial.

Okay. And then to your comments about Amazon and TikTok, would you entertain a bigger portion of your manufacturing to smaller quantities, the smaller-size packaging?

Jean Madar

Analyst · BWS Financial.

No, we will do that not for every brands, but we noticed that there is some price point on TikTok that if you are above your sales drop immediately. So in order to do that, we have to create special programs. This was something that we started to work at the beginning of the year, and we'll have it ready for Christmas. So it will be interesting. But it's not right for all the brands, but some brands that are on TikTok needs a lower price. Lower price means for us, we even a smaller size, it's becoming more of a paid sampling. And it's -- the margins are good. The margins are actually the same. So -- and absolutely for these kind of programs. Amazon is a different animal. We really start to have some very, very good business on Amazon. We advertise with them. We work with them. It's growing at a double-digit pace. We are opening also Amazon in Europe. We start to work with them in Europe, U.K. I'm quite happy with the business on Amazon. And as you know, we own 25% of a very important website based in France called Divabox that is going to do over $100 million in sales. We don't consolidate the sales because it's an investment in the company, but we meet with them on a regular basis, and we learn from them what works, what doesn't work. This helps us a lot in our decision-making.

Hamed Khorsand

Analyst · BWS Financial.

Okay. And Michel, sorry if you've answered this earlier, but what was the reason for the debt going up as much as it did Q1 to Q2?

Michel Atwood

Analyst · BWS Financial.

Yes, Hamed, great question. I mean we essentially took out a loan. We made a few purchases at the end of last year and particularly in the first quarter. And I just -- we felt that it was a good time now to just kind of -- we like to manage our finances very conservatively. So it's largely to fund that. And also, we've been buying some additional space around our head offices in Paris. So it's really to buy -- it was really to buy assets, particularly like Goutal and Extra Space.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes the question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the call back to Michel Atwood for closing remarks.

Michel Atwood

Analyst

All right. Well, thanks a lot, Joe. All right. Well, thank you all for joining our call today. And Jean, I really want to thank our incredible team, partners, brands and all of our stakeholders. Your dedication, trust and collaboration continue to drive our success, especially as we navigate through these uncertain times together. I would also like to mention a couple of upcoming events. We will be hosting our annual meeting in person here in New York on September 10. And I will also be participating in the Wells Fargo Consumer Conference in Laguna Niguel, California on September 16 and 17. So if you'd like to participate in these events, please reach out to your sales representative at Wells Fargo. And if you have any additional questions, please contact Karin Daly from the Equity Group, our Investor Relations representative. Her telephone number and e-mail address can be found in most of our recent earnings releases. We look forward to meeting with you all at these events or the next conference call. Thank you again, and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Enjoy the rest of your day.