Ari Bousbib
Analyst · David with Jefferies
Dave, first of all, the first observation in your math, I think, is correct. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but based on what I heard, I think you're absolutely on the mark with the math on the bookings and the backlog. Your question on the cost management is an excellent one, and you probably are inferring from what we said correctly that we have to deal with significant cost headwinds for the following reasons. These delays, as you can imagine, we have already started up those 2 mega trials, okay? They were in start-up phase. And therefore, we stood up the resources and the infrastructure, the teams and everything that's required to perform and deliver on those trials. Now they are interrupted. So it's almost like -- but they are going to resume in '25. I think one of them in second quarter and then the rest basically second half and ramp up in the second half. Now we are not going to let these resources go and do what we just did to ramp up the resources. So that already is a cost that we have to bear. Now obviously, we're going to redeploy some of that against some of the other opportunities, FSP and so on. But nevertheless, there is no question that we are going to be living here over the next 2, 3 quarters, with an extra bucket of costs associated with this. And these are huge trials, okay? And that is going to affect our margins. Now again, we haven't finished our planning process. We have a lot of other levers. We are working constantly on costs. And we -- I mean, you saw, obviously, we hadn't yet been affected by this issue so far, but you saw that so far this year, we've done pretty well. And we've actually in the fourth quarter, achieved record margins, I think, 24.1% is the highest operating margins, that we have achieved since the company was created in '16, correct. So we've done well, 30 bps of expansion this quarter. But again, in the next 2, 3 quarters, we will have to see. And we'll share more details on December 10th and certainly on [Indiscernible] with the full year earnings release. But David, you're exactly on the mark.