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Ingersoll Rand Inc. (IR)

Q4 2012 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 1, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Ingersoll-Rand, fourth quarter 2012 earnings conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we’ll have a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. (Operator Instructions). I would now like to turn the conference over to your host for today, Ms. Janet Pfeffer, Vice President, Business Development and Investor Relations. Ma’am, you may begin.

Janet Pfeffer

Management

Thank you Mary. Good morning everyone. We released earnings at 7:00 a.m. this morning and the release is posted on our website. We’ll be broadcasting in addition to this phone call through our website at ingersollrand.com, where you will find the slide presentation that we’ll be using. This call will be recorded and archived on our website. If you’d please go to slide two, our forward-looking statements made on today’s call that are not historical facts are considered forward-looking and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of Federal Securities law. Please see our SEC filings for a description of some of the factors that may cause actual results to vary from anticipated results. This release also contains non-GAAP measures, which are explained in the financial tables attached to this morning’s release. Now, I’d like to introduce the participants in today’s call. We have Mike Lamach, Chairman and CEO; Steve Shawley, Senior Vice-President and CFO; and Joe Fimbianti, Director of Investor Relations. With that, please go to slide three, and I’ll turn it over to Mike.

Mike Lamach

Management

Thanks Janet. Good morning and thanks for joining us on today’s call. Today we’ll cover three broad areas. First, we’ll take a look back on the full year 2012. Second, we’ll look at of course fourth quarter 2012 results; and finally we’ll conclude by looking at 2013’s outlook and guidance. Given the impending security spend, we’ll be delaying the analyst meeting that we traditionally have hosted in March until later in the year, closer to the effective date of the spend. The analyst meeting is usually where we would step back a little from quarterly results and look at our progress over time and plans for the future, and since that won’t occur for several months, I’ll spend a few extra minutes this morning recapping our full-year 2012 and our progress on the transformation that we began in the company a few years ago. Steve will then take you through fourth-quarter results and I’ll end with our outlook we have for 2013. So again, we’ll spend just a few more minutes this morning than we normally do. I don’t want anybody to get nervous. We’ll obviously have a lot of time for questions towards the end. Let me start with full year 2012. In a macro environment of low revenue growth, our revenues for the year were up 1%. We increased adjusted earnings per share 23%, and grew operating margins 30 basis points in the face of some very challenging mix. Our pricing excellence program delivered price realization, significantly over direct material inflation. Our lien focus continued to show significant results in the implemented value streams, and we continue to invest in the future of the business, funding significant new product developments and building our services footprint further. Revenues from products launched in the last three years were about a…

Steve Shawley

Management

Thanks Mike. Please go to slide number six. Adjusted earnings per share from continuing operations for the fourth quarter, which exclude impairment were $0.76. That is $0.09 better than the midpoint of our guidance range. $0.03 came from better performance in operations. There was about $0.001 of cost incurred related to the spend that was not in the guidance, and the remainder was from a lower tax rate. We were pleased with our ability to navigate challenging market environments and to deliver above our earnings commitment. With solid operational execution in all of our businesses, margin increased 100 basis points despite flat revenues. Compared to the fourth quarter of 2011, operating margins were up in each of the sectors, with residential delivering an 800 basis point improvement, despite slightly lower revenues. Revenues were flat, both on a reported basis and excluding foreign exchange. Excluding FX, we saw a slight decline in the climate, and lower single digit growth in revenues and industrial. Residential revenues were down 5% year-over-year. Security Technologies revenues was up 7%, with Americas up high single digits. Excluding Hussmann, orders were up 1% and up 2% and excluding currency. Operating margin for the quarter was 10.6%, up 100 basis points versus prior year. Margins improved from pricing and productivity, partially offset by unfavorable mix and investment spending year-over-year. All of the businesses continued to realize positive pricing. In the fourth quarter, our price realization outpaced direct material inflation for the seventh consecutive quarter. We repurchased 10 million shares in the fourth quarter, bringing the total repurchased in the year to 18.4 million shares. To sum, our focus on operational excellence and innovation delivered excellent results in the quarter. Please go to slide number seven. Orders for the fourth quarter of 2012 were up 1% overall and up…

Mike Lamach

Management

Okay, thanks Steve, and let’s go to slide 15. For purposes of setting guidance for 2013, it’s on an as-is basis. It assumes that the current Ingersoll-Rand with the four current operating sectors is in place for the full 12 months of 2013. As we announced in December, we expect the Security spin to take place in the fourth quarter, but to be clear, the guidance does not reflect the spin, given we do not yet have carve-out financials and the specific date of the spin won’t be known for several more months. Also, when we announced the spin in December we indicated one time deal costs and restructuring of $150 million to $250 million. We’ve broken out that amount from the EPS guidance in order to give the best representation of the company, without the impact of the impending spin, and hopefully that’s all clear. And to save you all a question, there is no change or update to the information we gave you in December on the spin. It’s proceeding according to our timeline. We won’t have pro forma financials for a few more months when we file the Form 10’s. Finally, contrasting to 2012, when we had significant currency headwind for most of the year, based on current exchange rates, there’s not much impact expected in 2013. The numbers I’ll reference as revenue growth are the same with or without currency. With all that out of the way, our revenue outlook for 2013 is $14.2 billion to $14.6 billion, which equates to 1% to 4% growth versus 2012. I’m going to talk through what we’re seeing by geography, and then we’ll sum it up again by sector. Our outlook reflects activity in North American commercial HVAC, continuing at moderate growth rates. Industrial markets are growing, but at…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Our first question comes from Jeff Sprague from Vertical Research Partners. Your line is open.

Jeff Sprague - Vertical Research Partners

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning everyone.

Steve Shawley

Management

Hey Jeff.

Jeff Sprague - Vertical Research Partners

Analyst

Could you give a little more color on the cash side? You said available cash $1.1 billion. Do you have an early idea of what the cash requirements are on the restructuring and spin costs in 2013 and any other one-offs that may actually tap into available cash?

Steve Shawley

Management

Yes Jeff, we talked about this in December. We talked about a refinancing we’re planning in the middle of the year. We’re planning on refinancing the Z-tranche that’s due, I think it’s in August, and probably another $300 million on top of that to take care of the cash associated with the spin costs, restructuring, etcetera. So what that will do is that will free up most of the $1.1 billion to go towards the share repurchase throughout the year.

Jeff Sprague - Vertical Research Partners

Analyst

Right, and just totally shifting gears. On Europe the notion that it gets better over the course of 2013 if only modestly, is that predicated on some early indication on orders somewhere? Is it more just kind of the low operating level that you’re seeing across Europe and some expectation that there’s just some underlying bounce that ought to occur?

Steve Shawley

Management

Yes, for us Jeff, you’ve got to look at Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the Middle East. So when we look at that collectively, we’re really saying the Middle East will be up again mid-single digits, maybe a little bit better. Eastern Europe, Europe up maybe a little bit less than that and still a fairly weak Western Europe. So net-net we’re not expecting great things out of Europe, but we do think coming off the lows that we saw, we should see just a little bit of latter year growth, and that’s supported with what we’re hearing from long term customers.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Shannon O’Callaghan from Nomura. Your line is open. Shannon O’Callaghan – Nomura: Good morning guys.

Steve Shawley

Management

Hey Shannon. Shannon O’Callaghan - Nomura: Hey, can you just talk about corporate cost a little bit; one, in terms of just the ‘13 costs of the ongoing entity. And then in terms of this accelerated restructuring you’re doing, are you going to be able to keep it at that level post spin? Is that some of the aim here, instead of absorbing kind of incremental public company costs for the two companies?

Steve Shawley

Management

Let me just address the numbers question first Shannon. In 2013 we expect the corporate unallocated costs to be somewhere in the $180 million range, about $45 million a quarter, and don’t forget, we’re making heavy investments in common systems throughout all of this. If we really ramp that up this year – in fact, some of the story about corporate costs in Q4 was common systems related, so that’s a big piece of the increase in 2013. We also are seeing an up-tick in pension and benefit costs, and we have some technology costs falling out, associated with the technology centers that are managed by Paul Camuti here in the corporate center. That’s what really seized up the increase in 2013, and like Mike said, we’ve pulled all the deal costs out of 2013. So that increase is not really deal cost related. I think if you look at the glide path of corporate costs going into the future, some of the restructuring obviously is going to have the impact corporate overheads. Also, you look at the common system spend sort of tapering down through 2015 and ‘16, I would say we’d hit likely the peak of the spend for systems in late ‘14, early ‘15. So you’ll see that start to come down with the abatement of the systems projects unit. Shannon O’Callaghan - Nomura: Okay, so I guess with that kind of peaking out and some of the restructuring savings, I mean, do you think the combined corporate costs of the two future entities can equate to this $180 million you’re talking about for ‘13 or you think it goes higher because of additional public company costs for two companies?

Steve Shawley

Management

Well, we’re working on the stranded costs here. This is part of what we’re doing with restructuring that we’re talking about for quarter one and going forward. So we are dealing with that now, but clearly there’s going to be additional public company costs for new securities out in the marketplace. So I mean just for right now the placeholder is $180 million for the year, and we’ll update you going forward as to how much of the stranded costs will be addressed and with the standalone cost with security, once we filed the Form 10’s.

Mike Lamach

Management

Longer-term Shannon, we would target $180 million to be the summation of the two standalone companies, but that’s going to go through a little bit of a peaking here in ‘14 and ‘15, because of the systems projects, and probably ramp back down to that normalized level after we get through that.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jamie Sullivan from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Jamie Sullivan - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

Hi, good morning.

Mike Lamach

Management

Hi Jamie.

Jamie Sullivan - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

Wondered if you could talk about, you mentioned the end markets within non-res construction that were important, that was helpful. I wonder if you could talk about kind of the exposure in climate and security by those key commercial industrial and institutional end markets, if you have those figures?

Mike Lamach

Management

I can. I mean I’ve got the data here for the put-in-place, institutional versus industrial. You’re asking specifically how do we factor into play into those things. This gets a little bit back into my comment about being selective around growth markets and platforms, and going where the business is growing, as opposed to sort of maybe what the historical mix has been. So the investments that we’ve made in the unitary product have been really targeted toward the growth we’ll see in the commercial and office space, as an example. So we got on that faster, looking at this data from a longer-term perspective, understanding there would be an opportunity in that market, as opposed to addressing markets that just weren’t going to grow, and so these pockets of growth are a lot more important to us than where the exposure has been historically. We see still great growth in data centers, which is another market that we are looking to address with more and more content as we approach those markets specifically. So not to evade your question. We have historically been a bit more institutional tipped than commercially tipped, but we are working that really to where the markets are growing and security is a great example of that. They put in place a very, very effective program to get after a particular market niche where we weren’t really penetrating, put a very specific set of programs together to address a channel need, and drove tremendous success in North America in the security business in the fourth quarter. So it is possible in over a two, three quarter period of time to move ourselves into these pockets and address them a little bit differently.

Jamie Sullivan - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

That’s helpful color. And then just maybe on the margin front, if you could walk sort of us through by segment how you’re viewing some of the trends in ‘13 versus ‘12 by segment.

Mike Lamach

Management

Yes. I think to do that, to have it be apples and apples, we would pull restructuring out of both sides, right? So we pulled restructuring out of 2013, we pulled it out of 2012. So I’d kind of give you those numbers ex-restructuring, both just to help you apples to apples. But climate, in spite of the TK softness, we’ll probably see 40 to 60 basis points of margin improvements there; industrial, I may see 50 to 70 there; res, we’re looking for more like 125 to 175. We think there’s still great opportunity there to do something more dramatic. In security, they’re just going to do a great job executing where they are at. They’re going to be fairly flattish, depending on the mix, which could go more towards Asian markets or a slight recovery in Europe. You might see it down as much as 40 basis points, but it will continue to be just an exceptional margin earner for the company.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Stephen Volkmann from Jefferies. Your line is open. Stephen Volkmann – Jefferies: Hey. Good morning. Mike, since you mentioned the HR show, it seemed like the tone down there was quite a bit more positive than the numbers you’re giving us, and granted sales guys on an expense account are always positive, but I’m just wondering if you’re being somewhat more conservative there? If you see maybe some other mix we should think about or pricing issues or anything that would add to that?

Mike Lamach

Management

No, I think you hit it on the head. You put the sales and salespeople together at an event and it’s pretty exuberant. So it’s not going to be a horrible market, no doubt about that, but we just go back to the data, look at the put-in-place numbers, look at it by segment of the institutional, by segment of commercial industrial and then compare that to where we’ve got specification activity, where we’ve got quotes outstanding; what the ABI are saying, and then lag that and you just end up where we’re at. So I think we were pretty close this past year. I think we’ve got a good methodology in that business for doing fairly accurate forecasts there. So I just see it overall as being sort of a low moderate growth market for us.

Stephen Volkmann - Jefferies

Analyst

Okay.

Mike Lamach

Management

Service will probably grow twice as fast, but that’s been history, and we’ll continue to grow service and invest in that footprint to help offset some of that cyclicality.

Stephen Volkmann - Jefferies

Analyst

Great, that’s helpful. And any color you want to give on January in that or any of the other businesses? I mean, the thesis that it’s safe now that the fiscal cliff is gone, are you seeing any of those types of trends?

Mike Lamach

Management

I have to say I want to give no guidance on January, okay? So to answer your question, no, I’d want to just talk about the month. So glad we’re through the fiscal cliff and we’ll see what happens with round two in Congress, and I think our forecast reflects a bit more of the status quo.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Josh Pokrzywinski from MKM Partners. Your line is open.

Josh Pokrzywinski - MKM Partners

Analyst

Hi, good morning guys.

Mike Lamach

Management

Hi Josh.

Josh Pokrzywinski - MKM Partners

Analyst

Just to dig in here on res D, I know you said you had the inventory liquidation last year, but it still seems like the comp was fairly easy. You under performed the market in 4Q ‘11 by, call it 600 basis points. Did you feel like going into next year? That you’re on pace to meet or exceed where the market falls out, and that maybe some of those mix issues are well and truly behind you versus peers?

Mike Lamach

Management

Yes, Josh. We had a very good 2012 collectively. So quarter-to-quarter you get these aberrations, but 2012 res, shares, volumes, margin improvements, just health of the product portfolio, talent in the business, it’s been a very good year for us. Let me talk to you about the quarter specifically, because there’s a lot of nuance here that went on in the quarter. So on the call, I mentioned we were down low-single digits versus last year. Now shipments would have been flat, obviously because the mix changed for us. When you add back sort of the change in inventory levels, and the fact that we were really pushing $90 million of inventory out through last year, and mostly 410-A, you end up with a high single digit market for us. I think Steve mentioned we were the only guys that didn’t have a fourth quarter price increase in pulling shipments in, and we know of one large OEM that had that effect that you had to actually ship before November, over concerns of a factory closure are one of the larger factories closing. So there was a lot there, but between pricing, competitively pulling it into the year, and then our own reconciliation, you have to do between ‘11 and ‘12. What I will tell you, and that’s probably the way to keep sanity in this, is that we’re about 50-50 owned versus independent distribution. So our shipments in revenue reflects final sell through on the owned side versus a couple of other OEMs who are 100% independent going through wholesale. When you compare that to the Hardy Data, the sell-through for quarter four by month was up 11.6% in October. It moderated to 6% in November. It was actually down, it was negative 1.8% in December, and all that gave you a 5.7% sell-through for the quarter, right? So if I look at the 5.7% sell-through for the quarter, and look at us apples-to-apples being up single digits, and the fact that Hardy’s indicator level for inventories was up, okay in the quarter, I feel pretty good about that and think we are really well-positioned coming into 2013. So Josh, I feel good about it and unfortunately I got to give you a little bit of bridge here to explain it, but I think it’s something that clearly you can piece together on your own.

Josh Pokrzywinski - MKM Partners

Analyst

That’s very helpful, thank you. And just one last one on price. You walked through it a little bit in the prepared comments, but clearly you guys have done a great job on the pricing side, you know in excess of inflation. How should we think about that into 2013, kind of versus any thoughts you have on the material inflation side and then obviously some of these commercial markets start to pick up. I would imagine your pricing power moves with that. What kind of tailwind are you thinking for 2013 in your leasing guidance?

Mike Lamach

Management

Yes, the material inflation environment has been fairly sedate, and we’ve lapped most of our large price increases, so we think pricing this year will be under 1%. Probably a good number, something more like 75, 80 basis points for ‘13, and we’ll still have a positive gap to material inflation, but I think it would be close to the probably 30 or 40 basis points for the year.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Hammond from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Jeff Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst

Hey, good morning guys. Just on the -- within your 1% to 4% growth, I think you said ThermoKing down low single digits. Can you parse out how you’re thinking about growth in commercial quad versus commercial unitary versus parts and service?

Mike Lamach

Management

Yes, some of that…

Jeff Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst

Or at least directionally.

Mike Lamach

Management

Yes. Applied in unitary, there is some shifts going on with applied in unitary in the marketplace. We’re seeing in some cases more unitary being used in some of the data center applications, which is a good thing for us, because it’s large unitary and that’s very profitable for us. So we generally see applied being a little bit weaker in 2013. I would say slightly negative, because it would still lean more toward the institutional larger customers, and I would say unitary is still more following the commercial industrial Dodge data of being more positive. So with slight shifts going on within vertical markets, you’re seeing more unitary than applied. And then specifically in the HVAC business in North America, we’re dealing with low equipment growth. You probably see service growth 5% to 1% kind of pulling the mix up there, and that’s something that has been a function of putting feet on the street, putting technicians out, doing training and really working the whole part service agreement and retrofit market, and we were able to do that last year even in spite of the flatter market. So I hope that’s helpful.

Jeff Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst

Okay, and then just on Security, I think we’re seen 14, 15 quarters of flat to down. So it was a surprise to see it inflect up, and I’m just wondering, I know you mentioned some of the large orders are in Asia, but any kind of aberrations in that growth number or any kind of inflections you’re seeing that would suggest some growth there?

Mike Lamach

Management

Well, the one that we had talked to you about for probably a couple of quarters was the large infrastructure projects that we were waiting on in Asia, kind of getting through the political changing of the guard in China, and then finally the awards of those projects, and what we saw clearly in China in the quarter was very, very positive in that regard. I think revenue was up nearly 40% in China for the quarter, so that was helpful. But you know the other positive story for us was just what happened with the security business in the Americas, and it got back to the earlier question of teams doing a good job finding pockets of growth, I mean growth platforms in flat markets. We needed to do more of that, but that’s a great example and one I’m proud to tell you about.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Julian Mitchell from Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Julian Mitchell - Credit Suisse

Analyst

Thanks a lot. Just on the productivity, other inflation line in your EBIT margin bridge, that’s been running now for three quarters in a row at sort of 100 bips plus in terms of the year-on-year margin effect. Is that a run rate you think that you can continue through ‘13 as you bring on these extra value streams?

Mike Lamach

Management

Yes Julian, look, clearly we set the targets out there. We think that we’re going to see mild material inflation. We’re going to see other inflation continue to rise at sort of an unhealthy rate. So you’re looking at overall inflation running somewhere in the mid-3’s and you’re looking at our productivity plans somewhere in the mid-4’s. I told you the four levers that we’re pulling here are sourcing, functional, lien and lien the value streams and all of that really kind of coming together is our plan to address it. So we continue to sort of chip away at it, build a pipeline and work the pipelines here. So I would have no reason to believe we couldn’t continue to see productivity at the same level. As long as we see inflation stay where it’s at, I think we’re going to be fine. If we see higher inflation, that’s going to test our pricing capability and see how agile we are there. So net-net, there’s no reason to believe we shouldn’t be able to do that.

Steve Shawley

Management

And Julian, the ‘13 guidance includes a positive gap between productivity and other inflation. It’s not quite as big as what we achieved in 2012, simply because the pricing is a little heavier, things like employee benefit costs, healthcare costs affecting that line, so a little bit of a contraction, but still a very positive gap.

Julian Mitchell - Credit Suisse

Analyst

Got it, thanks. And then on this resi HVAC issue, I mean are you effectively saying that in Q1 you’ll be able to deliver positive growth year-on-year in resi HVAC?

Steve Shawley

Management

Yes. Yes.

Julian Mitchell - Credit Suisse

Analyst

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Deane Dray from Citi Research. Your line is opened.

Deane Dray - Citi Research

Analyst

Thank you and good morning everyone. Hey, just a quick question and clarification on the guidance. On just the idea, where might there be some discretionary spending, where if you needed to you could pull back or if you added to it? So maybe on the investment side, and is there anything that you could throttle either way?

Mike Lamach

Management

Yes, Deane, in the quarter there was the locked and loaded with the exception of nailing down and communicating all the specifics around restructuring activity, but in terms of investments and plans for the quarter we’re in good shape. For the year it’s running at about the same rate of increase it was last year for us and those programs have been paired to the point where these are the critical and essential programs going forward. So I don’t see that we would be pulling back on investments per se. I think if we were to run into additional headwinds, we would take a second or third look at the restructuring work we’re doing and go further there, but no pullback, really that I see as being good long term on the investment lines.

Deane Dray - Citi Research

Analyst

Great. And then a follow-up question for Steve on tax rate in the quarter. It came in lighter than what we were looking for. Just kind of what are the dynamics there and are there any other dynamics on the 2013 tax guide?

Steve Shawley

Management

Fourth quarter tax accounting is always an adventure Deane. If you look at last year, a huge positive adjustments or favorable adjustments in our NOLs got valued in Q4. That goes on every year-end. So if I look at the fourth quarter tax rate, we were a little bit favorable on the ongoing rate. The distribution of income was kind of in our favor. So if I look at the $0.06 or $0.07 delta there, it’s about half associated with a slightly favorable rate for the year, and the rest of it is the fact that we had the chance to value some NOLs around the world. Much less of a pickup than we got last year when we did that, but it’s just something that happens every quarter, and it adds potentially a lot of volatility to the tax rate. All-in-all, I’m very pleased with how that fell out. It was definitely within our parameters or expectation of the ongoing rate and we just picked up a few favorable pinnings from the NOL valuations.

Mike Lamach

Management

Yes, Deane, I mean the only thing that’s a little bit of a wild card and we tried to spike that out for you, is U.S. non-discrete tax charge in quarter one. Whether or not, we’ll owe that or not, its a bit of a legal debate and then two timing events, a bit of a timing debate. So we just spiked that out not to surprise anybody that the timing in the worst of all worlds could be in the first quarter, and that’s how we planned it.

Steve Shawley

Management

So if you look at the rate going from ‘12 to ‘13 Deane, it’s really based on the earnings, the increase of earnings in the U.S. primarily, it’s going to cause a pickup in the rate. So that’s kind of the ins and outs of that.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Steven Winoker from Sanford Bernstein. Your line is open.

Steven Winoker - Sanford Bernstein

Analyst

Thanks and good morning. Just trying to understand the bridge on page 21 for 1Q and the sort of seasonality on them. You gave us margin expansion for the year by segment. What’s the overall expectation for 1Q for margin expansion, and I guess the next follow-up on that is, does it differ materially from your annuals by segment?

Mike Lamach

Management

Well look, first of all Steve, what’s underlying, all of this is going to be the weaker ThermoKing across the board picking up by the back of the year, but that’s going to be one issue we have from a business standpoint in the first quarter. And then if you look at it sort of by geography, Europe happens to be very weak for us in the industrial segment, which creates a mix issue there. Because actually industrial is a profitable business for us in Europe, and so a combination of those two are putting some pressure on all that, so… But that being said, we still see margin expansion of probably 20 to, call it 50 basis points in the quarter.

Steven Winoker - Sanford Bernstein

Analyst

Okay, and then since we’re not getting a March analyst meeting, just one sort of longer-term question. On the value stream points though, I guess you took it up by about 16%, recovering your cost base by 16% now from 2012 to 2013. So you’re covering 40% of the cost base. And as you think about these value streams, I get a lot of investors asking, is it getting easier or getting harder as you pick up the new ones and as you look out into the ones to go from here.

Mike Lamach

Management

Well, I’ll tell you, easy and hard is an interesting thing. If you talk about it getting more exciting, getting more momentum in the company, getting more people pulling on it, it’s phenomenal, okay. So, I’m not sure about hard or easy, none of this is easy, okay, and particularly if you want to stick around longer than just a flash in the pan, but the impact has been dramatic, and every time we run the data, we call it separation of results. We take the value stream work and then compare that to the average of the company and we just get further and further apart. Thankfully, we’re also increasing the amount of costs under sort of management through the system. So, its very exciting Steve. It’s something that looking back over three years, it’s been a long haul and anybody that’s in the lien world will tell you that that’s still the early innings. So it’s something that if I’m doing this 10 years from now, it certainly would be something we’re talking about.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our last question comes from Steve Tusa from JPMorgan. Your line is open. Steve Tusa – JPMorgan: Hey, good morning. Thanks for squeezing me in.

Mike Lamach

Management

Hey Steve.

Steve Tusa - JPMorgan

Analyst

Just on the resi stuff, I’m not sure I quite understand, what’s the adjustment you’re making for the inventory reduction? I mean because your comp was still pretty negative from a sales perspective, whether that was just going through your wholesale, your own distribution or not. So I’m just down 5 on the down 20. I don’t quite understand the kind of inventory adjustment you’re making there.

Mike Lamach

Management

The $90 million inventory Steve that we had last year in the fourth quarter of ‘11, when you think about sort of what we had to do there, we had to pull that back from distribution. In some cases where there was a sale, we worked the product, and then try to push it back out in the marketplace through any channel we could, often through our wholly owned channel. So we fundamentally pushed the $90 million inventory out in the marketplace that wasn’t necessarily inventory the market wanted if you will. So, we look at it and say, if you adjust for sort of $90 million in revenue, that probably was something we forced. Meaning 2011 was probably worse than the revenue we reported. That’s where the adjustment comes in. Steve Tusa – JPMorgan: Okay. So I mean, it just looked like that 2011 was. I thought 2011 was more dynamic around you just basically shut your plants down, because I mean it was still a pretty weak. Fundamentally that quarter was even, ‘11 was even weaker than that?

Mike Lamach

Management

Absolutely Steve, and if you look at just harkening back to that, I think we ran our plants 21 days the entire quarter, okay. So we took it really on the chin from absorption and all that, but it was fundamentally pushing this $90 million through. So absolutely, we were forcing product into the marketplace with record low pricing, getting into the market, which affected -- actually it lifted the revenue for 2011. However, it also had an average impact on absorption, because we weren’t making anything. So the productivity was a pretty easy beat too, right, this year.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I’d like to turn the conference back to Ms. Janet Pfeffer for closing remarks.

Janet Pfeffer

Management

Thank you Mary. Thank you everyone, and Joe and I will be available for any follow-ups today. Have a good day.