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IRSA Inversiones y Representaciones Sociedad Anónima (IRS)

Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 10, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning everyone and welcome to IRSA Second Quarter 2015 Results Conference Call. Today's live webcast, both audio and slide show, may be accessed through. The Company's Investor Relations website at www.irsa.com.ar/ir by clicking on the banner, conference call. The following presentation and earnings release issued last week are available for download on the Company's website. After management's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session for analysts and investors. At that time further instruction will be given. [Operator Instructions] You will also have the possibility of sending a question via webcast by clicking on the question to host tool. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that this call is being recorded. And that information discussed today may include forward-looking statements regarding the Company's financial and operating performance. All projections are subject to risk and uncertainty, and actual results may differ materially. Please refer to the detailed note in the Company's earnings release regarding forward-looking statements. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Alejandro Elsztain, Second Vice President. Please go ahead, sir.

Alejandro Elsztain

Analyst

Hello, good morning, everybody. We are beginning our conference call, second quarter of 2015. And if we go to page number 2 and we see the main highlights of the quarter, the semester, the two quarters, we can see a summary that, in this semester, we created a few commercial real estate vehicles called IRSA Commercial Properties that we did at the end of December. And at the same time, close to those dates, we opened our 14th shopping center mall, called Distrito Arcos, that was done on December 18, 2014, after fighting a lot in court. We are in working progress in Neuquen project. We are going to open this very soon. We are expecting to do that for March of 2015. We had the first semester a solid tenant growth, and we are going to show how good were the results of the second quarter at the shopping center level. We had a good result in office and hotels too in these two segments on the rental - sorry, hotel is not in the rental, in office and hotels, sorry. The sales of investment properties, we had a lot of that. We have ARS800 million during the semester of the investment properties. We recognized a loss in IDBD investment because we are valuing at market value and there was a drop on the share price. In the financial results of the six months, revenues, when we include not only the rental but the sales of investment properties and sales and development, we achieved ARS380,000 million [ph]. That is 177% comparing to last year's numbers. If we take the investment properties, we achieved a revenue of ARS1,700 million, a growth of 35.2% comparing to last year. And the EBITDA for this period was ARS1,787 million that is 179% growth…

Daniel Elsztain

Analyst

Thank you, Alejandro. On page number 6, we can see that we finally were able to open our 14th shopping center by December 18 of 2014. We got permission from court to open, so a week after we got the permits we opened the shopping center. By then we open, only 51%, 52% of the stores were open. As of today, I mean we have almost 40 stores open and, in a couple of weeks, we will have all the first stage completely open. The shopping is fully occupied but it took some time for the stores to get on time and bring the product after being a year, a full year, closed. We are very happy and the sales on the stores that are open are doing very, very well, even ahead of our estimation. On page number 7, we can see the progress we are having on Alto Comahue, so we start in the province of Neuquen. This shopping is projected to open by mid March this year. We have now 90% of the contracts already signed and the stores are doing the work in the stores - I mean, the stores are getting ready for the opening. Everything is as budget and the supermarket that it was sold and it's open is doing very well. The hotel is sold and they're about to start the construction. The new owner of this land told us that it will start construction by somewhere between the end of March or April. We still have the 18,000 square meters to see what we're going to do in the next future next to this shopping center. There's a lot of expectations, as you know, because we have this shopping center in our portfolio. This is now in our portfolio for years and…

Matias Gaivironsky

Analyst

Good morning, everybody. Thank you, Daniel. Going to Page 11, here we can see our investment in IDB. IDB today, we control, together with Extra Holdings, 62.5%, and the rest of the shareholders, the free float, is around 37.5%. IDB is a holding company with a conglomerate in different industries, different companies, including the real estate, agrichemicals, venture capital, telecommunications, supermarket, insurance companies, among the main companies of the Group. The latest developments on IDB, the Board of Directors of IDB approved a rights offering. IRSA approved recently an additional investment of $105 million in IDB, so we will participate in the rights offering for up to NIS400 million. The total amount of the rights offering will be NIS800 million. And Dolphin committed to participate for the NIS400 million so IRSA will participate as well. As well with the NIS800 million, the Company will issue three new series of warrants for up to NIS1.2 billion, with maturity in 2016, 2017 and 2018 each of the series will be one-third of the NIS1.2 billion. Use of proceed of this offering will be to reduce leverage and to comply with the amortization that the Company had this year. Going to next page, in page 12, here we include a graph of the performance of the shares since the closing of this transaction. Remember that we closed this deal in May last year, and since that, the performance of the shares was not good. The price has reduced 61.1%. And we decided at the beginning of the investment to recognize the value of IDB at market price. So each quarter, we have to mark to market our position and recognize gain or losses. Since that, we have recognized losses in this semester for ARS877 million, according to our participation in the company. Here…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question is from the line of Federico Rey with Raymond James.

Federico Rey

Analyst

[Indiscernible] for sale, I would like to know if you have any idea of when do you plan to sell these remaining assets? Thanks.

Matias Gaivironsky

Analyst

Federico, what do you refer with remaining assets?

Federico Rey

Analyst

You still have close to 18,000 square meters available for sale in those assets or buildings that were not transferred to IRSA Commercial Properties.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

We have that stock, we split when we expected that it was closed and they probably sell, but up to now was not sold. But maybe soon can be sell, so we - because of we put this in the market and we decided not to transfer it. When it is going to happen really it's tough to say. But because of our decision to put it in the market, we decided not to put in the transference of the portfolio that we did in the rest.

Federico Rey

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. I have an additional question regarding [multiple speakers]

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

There is a land bank on the Company. There is a land bank on the Company that could be on sale, or could be transferred if we begin decide to do it. So if we decide in Catalinas that it going to be a building under construction, probably it will be transferred to Commercial Properties. And if it's going to be sell, it's going to be sold through IRSA.

Federico Rey

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you. I have an additional question regarding Neuquen. If you can give us an idea of what is the expected sale per square meter in that new shopping mall?

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

We are estimating that we will have something close to the average that we have in the interior of the country. But it's difficult to say because this might be even better because that province of Neuquen has wages that are a little above the average of the country. So we were very cautious when we did our estimations, but we expect that to be in line with the rest of the shopping centers.

Federico Rey

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Alejandra Aranda with Itau.

Alejandra Aranda

Analyst

Hi, good morning, thank you for the call Alejandra Aranda from Itau. I would like to know, could you give us more color on where you're standing at on IDBD and what we should expect from that on the following months?

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

The main issue is what we describe it in the presentation. We are doing a rights offering now, so that we believe that the Company will have the money that it needs for the next month. Regarding the rest of this strategic approach on IDB, I think it will take some time. It is a very big conglomerate of companies and we believe that we can unlock value from the underlying assets that each company will have to implement, changing the strategy. And we are doing some of that, but will take time. Each of the companies there are public companies, so we need to be very cautious on the information that we give to our shareholders. So each of the companies will disclose on an appropriate way in each of the decisions that we have to take in IDB. So for that reason, I can't give you more color on that. But as we did in the past, and you know that our track record investing in distressed assets were very successful in the past. And we hope that we can replicate our track record in Israel. The story is not for the short run, it will take some time. We are not expecting results for the coming month, so we are still very confident that mainly the underlying assets that we bought are very solid and very good quality of assets, and we hope that we can unlock value from there.

Alejandra Aranda

Analyst

Okay. And on the Argentina front, could you tell us a little bit more on what's the strategy to follow for 2015, and maybe looking at the beginning of 2016? What you're aiming at on the shopping mall side regarding possible new developments?

Matias Gaivironsky

Analyst

You saw that we finished Arcos, we have lot of stuff to keep doing in both side in the shopping and the office building. We’re now discussing this is an election time and these days of Argentina are times of thinking, and that's what we are doing, keeping with that idea of doing one or two per year, we like that. But really, we are not launching, we are not showing, but we are now preparing the plans and the maps of the shoppings, and like the San Martin project, Nobleza Picardo, or the Tucuman project, or the Catalinas office. So with the Dot building office we are now discussing, we have a lot of land to do, office buildings in Dot 2. So we are now in times of preparation of a lot of plans, and we are going to launch, but we are not up to now decided none of this. But probably you are going to see some of that launches on the company level.

Alejandra Aranda

Analyst

Okay. But if I just may ask one more question? Regarding the debt at now IRSA real estate, the former APSA?

Matias Gaivironsky

Analyst

Commercial property

Alejandra Aranda

Analyst

Thank you, what's your plan over there? I have to get used to the new name, what's your plan over there [multiple speakers]

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

The plan is what you said, the things we are going to launch, are going to be commercial properties.

Matias Gaivironsky

Analyst

And regarding the structure of the debt, Alejandra, we will see the market. Today, we don't have any urgency to change the structure. We have the debt that the main amortization will be 2017, so we have time to decide what to do, in terms of refinancing or repaying the debt. So we will see. If we see good financial conditions in the market that we hope that, in the coming month, we will see - or that is - we hope that Argentina will be in a better situation for the coming month. And if the market give us the opportunity, we will replace those bonds for a more liquid bond for IRSA Commercial Properties. But if not we will wait, and we will see in the next years.

Alejandra Aranda

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your next question comes from Nicolas Forrindo of Cohen.

Nicolas Forrindo

Analyst

Hello, how are you everybody? I had a question regarding the warrants on IDB. Do you have an indication of the price of those warrants?

Matias Gaivironsky

Analyst

Yes. The warrants - the shares - the rights offering is at a price of NIS1.51 per share. And the warrants, each is 10% more than the price. So the first one is 10% more than the NIS1.51, and the second is 20%, and the third is 30%.

Nicolas Forrindo

Analyst

There is 20% and 30%? Or it's 10% [multiple speakers] 21%?

Matias Gaivironsky

Analyst

10% of over NIS1.51, 20% of over NIS1.51 and 30% of over NIS1.51.

Nicolas Forrindo

Analyst

Okay. And the reason why the net debt of IRSA Holding is so small is because you're not considering the use of $105 million that are going to be invested in IDB, right?

Matias Gaivironsky

Analyst

That is true. That is the position as of December. If you exclude the $105 million that we decided to invest, it's a positive by $100 million. So the total, it will be negative and the net debt will be $100 million.

Nicolas Forrindo

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And your next question is from the line of David Wong [ph].

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I was just curious about the tender offer. Can you just explain a little bit more about it, and when we might expect that it might occur?

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Sorry, I couldn't hear your name, and the question is regarding IDB?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes. This is David Wong.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Okay, David. The tender offer is described; you have the whole explanation in our financial statement. You have there all the details regarding all our commitments and obligations. The fact is that we have under the arrangement that we enter in IDB, we have the obligation to launch a tender offer by the end of 2015, and by the end of 2016, for the total amount of NIS512 million. So part will be by the end of this year, and part will be by the end of the next year. Price of the tender offer today is much higher than the price of the shares. To give you an idea for this year, the tender offer is at the price of $7.90 something and today the shares are much lower than that. But you have all the details in the financial statement.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes the question-and-answer section. At this time, I would like to turn the floor back to Mr. Alejandro Elsztain for any closing remarks.

Alejandro Elsztain

Analyst

I would like to thank everybody. And let’s keep in next quarter, and we are very strong on assets, but the Company is showing that everything that's put on the market, it has a lot of clients. And the rental is working very well, and the international investments too. So we thank everybody for their participation on the conference call, and have a very good day. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's presentation. You may disconnect your line at this time, and have a nice day.