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James Hardie Industries plc (JHX)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 20, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Q3 FY '15 Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I must advise you that this conference is being recorded today, Friday the 20th of February, 2015. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker Mr. Louis Gries. Please go ahead, sir.

Louis Gries

Analyst

Thank you. Hello everybody and thanks for joining the call today. Matt Marsh and I are in Dublin and the buttons are being pushed in Sydney, so we comment on our slides as we go along. Start the presentation on first slide is the colored page. Second slide is the first page of our disclaimer. Third is the slide is the second page of our disclaimer. Fourth slide is the agenda which will be the same as we always use. I'll just give a brief overview on the businesses and then Matt will go into the financial review. Once we finish that, we will move to questions. Next slide's another colored page and Page number 6 labeled two things. So I think most of you had seen the results, it's very much in line with the first half of the year on the market side. Our plans ran a little better, so we got a little bit more help on the EBIT line. The result is also in line with the games that we've been providing. So in the quarter, group net sale is up 10%, operating profit grew it's up 11 adjusted obviously. We had higher volumes in all our businesses. We had average price up in the U.S. The U.S. housing market is still flat; it's slightly up, but pretty flat overall for new construction. As you probably know, we're spending a fair amount of money to get our capacity lined up as we continue to grow demand for fiber cement partly due to market opportunity and partly due to market share gains. And we'll cover that in more detail later in the presentation. And we continue to invest in the organic growth initiatives, some of them which are the market initiatives and then a lot of organization…

Matt Marsh

Analyst

Thanks Louis, good morning everybody. On page 16 Louis has hit some of these already for the group earnings we're favorably impacted by sales volume across the all the business units in our segments higher average sales prices in the U.S and Europe segments input cost remain elevated for both the quarter in the nine months has been pretty consistent with what we’ve talked about throughout most of the year. As a result of production cost are higher for the nine months across the network as Louis said the plans are really starting to run well and are starting to offset a lot of that. Organization spend is higher compared to a year ago. But still as a percentage sales its trending in an area that we wanted to trend them it's largely related to organizational adds that we're making in order to have the capabilities in place for the expected growth that we see some discretionary spend as well as in foreign currency impacts. The net operating cash flows for the quarter were 104 million compared to 254 for the nine months a year ago and we'll go to that a bit really two primary drivers there the payment and the fund and some working capital of the two primary items and then as Louis is already highlighted. The continued capital expenditures on the capacity projects remain on track and are going to be little higher this year as we've eluted to in November. But for the over the course of 24 month period will be in line with that $600 million facing over the three year period that we've talked about. On page 17 these are the reported results, I'll take you over the next couple of pages through that for the quarter and then for the nine…

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Jason Steed from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Jason Steed

Analyst

Just two questions. Just for starting your indications around the order file and the impact that you see that has through I guess your price increases as expected on March 1st, I wonder if you could just shed some light on the extent of that price increase and whether it's sort of across all product line and whether or not I was aware of exact timing of when you announced that whether or not that affected your volumes in this quarter? So that's the first question just around that price increase. And the second is PDG looked pretty good in the context of flat underlying markets and new housing and [R&R] up being that strong. Do you think getting a bit of share, did you give it back from [LPX] or is this really just continued wins from [indiscernible]?

Louis Gries

Analyst

Yes Jason thanks and the price increase I think we think it's going to average out around 3% the reason we would know is because it is it kind of varies by region by segment by product so it's not an across the board increase it only impacts exterior products we did not think of increase in interior products. So we want to see how it plays out next year, but I would guess around 3% is a decent estimate.

Jason Steed

Analyst

And when was it announced?

Louis Gries

Analyst

Sorry yes, it was announced in December but it would not have impacted this quarter's results. So they had plenty of time to forward buy before the March date so no there wasn’t any increased activity due to increase in December. Second question was our PDG we were pleased with our PDG we have read so many analyst reports that that we might get extra volume from LP evidently having a raw material shortage. We have not seen customers in the markets desperate for board because they connected LP so I don’t think that that really helped us at all last quarter now there is a lot of concern in the market about LP supply so there is more people kind of coming to us and giving proposals but as far as business switching quickly because they're out of board I don’t think that's the case.

Jason Steed

Analyst

And do you think where do you -- I mean I guess the numbers are relatively small for a quarter in context of LP volumes but do you think what they lost due to those log shortages is it been absorbed into the market or there's been a deferral purchase if it was just too hard to tell given the signs of the market?

Louis Gries

Analyst

Well I'll be honest with you we had a little trouble interpreting their announcement. I would guess that if they assured if the market some because they got in trouble on raw materials it would have been absorbed by the channel rather than felt by the end users. So we can't figure it out to be honest with you because most manufacturing businesses when we show our raw materials they go to plan B and bring it in from a different location or whatever and so we get something to add an impact on our volumes and but I think it's maybe created some concern about reliability to supply from LP and like I said we have had some LP users kind of come to us for proposals but we haven’t closed any of that business due to supply concerns on LP.

Jason Steed

Analyst

And just [audio-gap] would have been about around to sort of 5%-6% mark for the quarter?

Louis Gries

Analyst

Yes it looked better than that. I hate to use that direct quarter to quarter so we think that year is going to come in around 8 and last quarter would have been consistent with that. And by the way we always try and give you a little bit of information so interior business it grow last quarter, but not near the same rate as the exterior business.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Michael Ward from the Commonwealth Bank. Please go ahead.

Michael Ward

Analyst

Just on Asia-Pac you guys sort of delivered pretty good volume growth there around 6% to 9% can you just give us a sense of geographically where it might have been strong

Louis Gries

Analyst

Philippines was strong. So that’s what causes that regional mix on pricing. And Australia and New Zealand kind of came in where we thought they would.

Michael Ward

Analyst

And then just on cost I noticed someone talk of freight given with same with oil price. Can you make some comments around whether or not you might see a benefit on the freight side?

Louis Gries

Analyst

We are starting to see our freight rates come down a bit.

Michael Ward

Analyst

Alright thanks guys.

Louis Gries

Analyst

Not only the seasonal but you say the impact to the oil. So we're still above last year on freight for MSS but we might get into a position pretty quick where we're running better than same month last year.

Operator

Operator

And you're next question comes from the line of Emily Smith from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Emily Smith

Analyst

I just wanted to ask a couple of questions always about the PDT growth. You mentioned that would be around 8% for the year. I'm wondering where that gross is actually coming from if it's some the North or South new homes R&R if it's across the board, also wondered if you could I think last result you gave us some color around when you talked about new plants might some start up. I'm just wondering if that some changed it all.

Louis Gries

Analyst

Yes so PEG most of things are running and working and in fact can say all the things were running that worked in especially although interiors product is not in our PEG. We did get the momentum turning around we are in two year price. So we feel pretty good about that, but if I had a rank to the South running stronger than we thought it would. The North is running stronger than the South which it should but the delta between the two is smaller than you would think. R&R is running better than new construction in the North I think we're little slow to get our Vinyl substitution going again in the North because we realize we have a bigger opportunity to kind of knock LP back and go after further vinyl. So we got a few more resources point at that wood and few less point in that vinyl and construction. And you know that’s our one disappointment obviously vinyl has to decline for us to grow PEG. Our disappointment is that we're not getting all the decline. So that would be the LP piece. So it’s a good broad based result something is run better than others but overall really I don’t have any complaints about what we're accomplishing in the business either on the market side or the manufacturing side right now. The business in the U.S is running very well.

Emily Smith

Analyst

Great and the new plants.

Louis Gries

Analyst

Yes the new plants sorry Emily. All putting much ready to go we'll start commissioning Carole Park I think it's next month. And then in Plant City sitting we’re to go but with the market relatively flat this year and thought us looking similar next year maybe a little better. We don’t need three burn in plan C to come on as quickly as we thought so we will do a plan C is making you some the investment to lower our unit cost that’s a raw material investment we made down there and finishing investment which is a lot more efficient finishing line. So we're bring up about how it guess maybe that’s happen and investment and now quite half before we need the capacity and we'll with the sheet machine capacity when we need it. Cleburne I think is flatted behind Plant City because Plant City got two things it gives us more capacity but it gives us more HLD which is a product at single source that’s relatively tighten capacity. So that will probably trigger to sheet machine start up at Plant City as we run at HLD rather than overall capacity utilization so Cleburne will fall Plant City and it could be contain with margin does obviously. But it could be is long as 12 months behind and then behind Cleburne will be Somerville which should be low capital startup of mouth fall facility. And then behind that which is now well done a path we'll have a couple Greenfield opportunities one in Tacoma and one in the mid-South. So we'll have to see how regional demand develop before we start where to go there even resonating I'll tell you that well number one we bought the land in Tacoma. But the only thing is that doesn’t mean we're not doing we going to need to do work on those facilities I'm not talking of setting big dollars but a lot the design work on Tacoma and our mid-South is our next Greenfield needs to be done early enough because we're looking to get with our newer business model which has a lot of the investment pull start [indiscernible] we're looking to get better capital efficiencies especially on the [post auto grade] side. So that's a fair amount of rethinking and redesign work for us and -- finishing that so that kind of breach up today and we'll start Carole Park first, Plant City second, Cleburne third, Summerville fourth and probably a couple of years behind the Summerville startup you'd have our Greenfield start up in U.S. either to come on itself.

Emily Smith

Analyst

So, to get to a Summerville what sort of having starting that you think will be when you sort of open Summerville?

Louis Gries

Analyst

Yes, I mean you're right - start beginning its market share development and then it's time dependent. So, I don't know I mean that's a complicated equation and we don't have to solve because now that we know we have our capacity ready and we can bring up a lot fairly quick order. We really don't have to slate the details and the other thing I need to tell you is, we made some progress in our existing plants where it looks like our capacity out of existing plants may get lifted a bit with some of the recent manufacturing initiatives that we originally struggled with a year ago but it really come right in the last four to five months. So, if that momentum continues to manufacture that will also allow us to wait a little bit longer and capacity.

Emily Smith

Analyst

All right, and if I can just ask the question on pricing you mentioned that the same price crisis for one -- month - pull forward, I'm just wondering how much typically is pulled forward and I guess that's what I meant specifically FY16 you'd expect price increases obviously are this 8% given the mix shift as well?

Louis Gries

Analyst

Yes, I think it depends on a lot of things but I mean you could see between 3 and 4 I'd say that's probably the most likely range in this -- regional mix or product mix or to gain share you might be able to one or three years we will work for you might be able for. And how much it pull forward even looking at the order file it's still hard to figure out beyond - I know really six weeks certainly end of the quarter but I don't know say maybe I don't know I hate to give this kind of guidance because it's so and exact but maybe 3% to 7% extra volume kind of I don't know I'm telling you I just don't know that gives - we can't interpret how much is preordered and how much is a good strength build. There is some of the lease in the market that housing markets going to be pretty good but we see that like the last two years so we don't really know what to believe so it will pull a little bit forward, 3% to 4% would be my absolute guess, 7% would be my assuming those are very - depict numbers so we just have to wait and see.

Emily Smith

Analyst

Excellent thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of James Rutledge from Morgan Stanley, please go ahead.

James Rutledge

Analyst

Thank you, good morning. Firstly, I just want to clarify on the price increase, I think last year was the price increase effective from 01st of April and there is a slight change this year, is that correct?

Louis Gries

Analyst

It is and the reason we changed it, the spring build starts before April 01, so we are trying to match up better to endeavors would really bring in their inventories out. Having said that it's a one year adjustment, we're going to have to deal with and our comps, so this quarter our comp will little better than a theoretically shift because last year it was April 01 but next year we can't find because I'm sure we'll do - price increase last year it will be timed earlier in the season just like this one is. So rather than - what our financial we try to time it with [sleeping] build in the market.

James Rutledge

Analyst

So, I just had one other question relating just following on from that in terms of price increase of - and then asbestos we go into fiscal '16 you will see raw materials, hopefully that pressure lessens and you see some cost relief there but how do we think about margin side over the next 12 to 24 months given you've got a price increase where hopefully raw materials less of a constrain, are you going to be I mean I'm not looking for a number but just in terms of how you think about investing that in marketing or SG&A versus side taking some of that to bottom line?

Louis Gries

Analyst

Yes, so, again if your assumptions are right we get price, we get an extra volume obviously through - share growth and hopefully a little bit from the market opportunity and - I'm pretty sure that will be up again next year, the one that may not be up again next year's fall other than that I think we'll see some increases. But having said that we kind of -- we do a balancing act, we are very comfortable where we - even more Jim, it may drift up few more and then top of the range we're not going to try and push it up because we have an opportunity, we still have a lot of things we want to do in the market and if we have the management capability to run more programs in the market, we will spend that money and stay in the range that's kind of how we have the organization set out. I'm glad like I said seven quarters in a row basically and I'm glad that we're not having to work to get in the range anymore, so we're kind of more naturally in the range, spending our money, delivering our results, getting the PDG we're looking forward. If I can do one thing nice here guarantee that rather increase my PDG, so if I had a choice in go to 26 revenue margin and going to other point in PDG I think to point on PDG over a point on EBIT margin.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Johnston from CLSA. Please go ahead.

Andrew Johnston

Analyst

Question around Texas obviously with the oil price coming off there's some concerns they now expect that like most [indiscernible] seen any signs yet of slowing but talking to your customers how are they feeling about the outlook for Texas and how is that fading to into your thoughts about that state?

Louis Gries

Analyst

Yes as we get question it does relate back to Emily's question on capacity. Of course we've been sold out in Texas for several years and reporting board in so -- and we have two low cost plans in Texas, so we have done scenario planning with market decline in South Texas. We done it obviously for our financials and the impact in there isn’t what we would say would be material to our investors, but the impact on our production planning is pretty significant for the guys who run the business, so we've done the scenario planning just to make sure we could take full advantage of our low cost capacity in Texas and it doesn’t kind of get stuck there and we don’t end up running less 24/7. But what's the feedback from the market number one everyone's nervous there is no doubt [audio-gap] going to happen. People that run national businesses like ours, they think what's going to help me outside of Houston and a few other markets and it's going to hurt me in Houston and maybe Oklahoma and like we're pretty big in Alberta, so we think orders in Alberta I mean we're pretty big relative to the rest of Canada and Alberta. So we've got to plan 20% down in South Texas I think if you kind of shop that number around most people would think that's probably a little more than what will happen I can't guarantee it could be more but we plan that more scenario planning down 20 or financial still work. The more important thing like I said is we want to take full advantage of our low cost capacity in Texas and we want to make sure if that's to happen that we expand the shipping radius for the Texas plants.

Andrew Johnston

Analyst

And Matt apologies if you did mentioned, but how did that 3 million profit on main pitches arise?

Matt Marsh

Analyst

Yes in [Roseville] because we leased the land we had to make whole provision that's required for the end of the lease and obviously it's part of the unwinding of the accounting related to that transaction that provision was no longer required because we're going to hone the land so.

Andrew Johnston

Analyst

And finally just on and Louis you commented that R&R was modest I mean I'm trying to get R&R numbers obviously initial R&R obviously really difficult but was that surprisingly soft because that in some big way we're talking about R&R being pretty strong?

Matt Marsh

Analyst

I don’t know if I said R&R was soft I misspoke we've got it around 4% we use and we would and we believe that 4% that that field's right to us over the last couple of years 4% it's been pretty good number I think. Now we are growing mark we are growing market share in R&R so we're doing better than that in the segment.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Matthew McNee from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Matthew McNee

Analyst

Just a quick question just on the asbestos the approve time has come I think was announced potentially that was going to happen I think they announced that back in about September when currency was about 15% higher than what it is now so Matt have you got an update on what the fund expects I mean obviously you'll payments in Idaho should be a lot high going in does that change anything on when they may move into the approve time and or have you read any updates also with the negotiations with the government on the line and the availability of the line.

Matt Marsh

Analyst

You hit on one of the key assumptions that goes into the establishing kind of the long-term liability certainly FX is a sensitive assumption and has been higher over the last couple of years and certainly in the strengthening of the U.S. dollar this year we would expect to have a favorable impact on the annual update that the actuary does through end of the year a couple other dynamics so just to keep in mind when we talk about asbestos obviously working favorably if you will for the size of liability average claim sizes are down, these average claim size for means of [indiscernible] is down the and the settlement rate is up. So this factors all positive along the foreign exchange that the number of claims and the number of [indiscernible] are elevated though. And so those are two factors that have an adverse impact potentially on hunting overall actuarial adjustment. So I say that the basket of those three major those three or four major assumptions is still few determined with our set to where the accrual assessment will come out at the end of the year. And we're just starting to have our discussions with the AICF and KPMG as they go through their annual refreshing. I'd say I wouldn’t necessarily say because of the Aussie dollar well over that it will go down. And may go down but it would be just exclude to because of the some other factors related to the announcement of the approved payment scheme. We haven’t been given any official update on that our understanding though from speaking with both the state and the trust it's really those two parties who are primarily working through the discussion is that they seemed to be making good progress on the discussion. And I think both parties remain optimistic that our good outcome for everyone will be reached. But there is we’re not in middle of those discussions and certainly nothing been we haven’t been notified that there is been any change as of this.

Matthew McNee

Analyst

And is that something you will even think about when think a bad capital management and the timing and stuff like that at all.

Louis Gries

Analyst

Yes it’s a good question Matt I think we think we think about it. Because we did the questions and the input from our shareholders so that obviously makes us think about it. But I'd say our capital management objective is I think it will remain pretty consistent over the last several quarters and we haven’t talked about or thought about any changes to those capital management objectives. We think the balancing of the current and future claimants with the shareholders and lenders is really what the [app] was designed to do and the capital management objectives that we've outlined are really very consistent with allowing our shareholders as well as us to satisfy our obligation to the trust and keep those things in balance. So I say the questions and the discussion that we get from our shareholders is certainly from our good input but there is been no change and we're not expecting that the change would be made.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Andrew Peros from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Andrew Peros

Analyst

Lou are you able to expand in one of the comments you made a little bit early around interiors and exteriors. I think a few quarters ago that you loss about 3 percentage points of market share I guess wondering how that interior business is going and whether you've been able to call some of that share back.

Louis Gries

Analyst

We have been able to reverse that trend Andrew. So at least for about four five month period now we're going the right way. So I think by the end of the year we may not give it all back but of course when we get it back not as important is if we're going to get it back I'm pretty confident we'll get it back and go on top of that even. We kind of identified some gaps in our game plan both on the execution side and the design side. That's seemed to be playing for us pretty well now.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instruction] And your next question comes from the line of David Leech from UBS. Please go ahead.

David Leech

Analyst

I had two questions one Lou I wondered if you could just for begin a break up the total North American volume between actuary new builds, R&R new builds and interiors just in percentage terms of the current production right at the moment.

Louis Gries

Analyst

So I use rough number if you looked at our overall business. We're sitting around 55 R&R 45 new constructions right now that could be plus or minus little bit. But that’s roughly we're still more R&R but we've start at least coming from the 500 up 200 million we're up to 40 plus revenue mid-40s and the business is driven by new construction.

David Leech

Analyst

That’s right and then is the next area of the -- what percentage of the total?

Louis Gries

Analyst

Exteriors percentage in total just changed a little bit. But if you thought low 20s that’s about right I think in the down turn it might had 25 going into the downturn we might have been 20. But if you thought low 20 of that it will probably pretty good.

David Leech

Analyst

Sorry that’s interior is it? 20-25 and then I just had one question relating on tax just looking for the cash flow in the future. I think the tax tide is running at about half of tax expense as extremely crude it's that’s the way we should think about it going forward. As I guess the profit rise I'm just wondering obviously the tax expense will go up, will the tax paid go up proportionately?

Louis Gries

Analyst

Yes, I mean there is obviously a number of timing related items that kind of account for differences between the tax expenses and the taxes paid and depending on how the timing of those items and what else we have in the given year that amount could change. We don't provide obviously any kind of forward guidance on taxes paid I think the ETR that we currently have then is reflected about the ETR that you should expect for the year and would be a reasonable ETR that include in future periods but to try to give you a some guidance on how the difference between ETR and taxes paid in the future is going to compared to the present I think we're just would be a bit pretty mature given how the timing differences can change on jurisdiction and the types of timing differences that we can have at a given time.

David Leech

Analyst

That's right Matt, but just following on I mean the slide talks about taxes being paid in few jurisdictions other than Australia and I guess a lot of this expect at the U.S. profitable base of side that grows, is that taxes always are really complicated, is it wrong to think I mean how can I ask this question, is the correspondence between - tax right in the - and the tax paid I should be fairly close or not? Did I ask that question right?

Matt Marsh

Analyst

Well depending on the question you're -- .

David Leech

Analyst

I'm trying to understand do you paid tax in the USA roughly according to the 38% or 35% or some sort of essential taxes paid there like what you might look at - tax expense?

Matt Marsh

Analyst

Yes, we don't provide country levels that specifics on effective tax rate, obviously effective tax rate but by definition is for the group and it based on a jurisdictional blend of rates and deductions and so it's a difficult question for me to answer because it's just not something that we disclose, we don't pay taxes in Australia because there is no taxable profits in Australia, the lack of taxable profits in Australia are largely related to the asbestos deduction that we received. I'd say keep in mind that the asbestos deduction that we receive is taken over a 5 year period unlike some companies so, now that we've accumulated those tax losses based on 5 years or more of making the payment we will anticipate making tax payments or having tax profits, the tax payments would be applied to in the future for Australia either so it's probably the best answer I can give.

David Leech

Analyst

That's very helpful, thank you very much. Appreciate that.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Hind from Merrill Lynch, please go ahead.

John Hind

Analyst

Good morning Louis and Matt, just - there a bit more color on what a commentary was conservative short term on U.S. housing because I guess during the call it's - holding pretty positive, is it because, if it just because of the prior long recovery or is it shape and mix of the recovery slightly different to what you're expecting and also just one more on corporate cost obviously up a little bit this quarter you mentioned there was an increasing marketing and - was that just relating to the Philippines and then ramping up and how should we look at it may be going forward -- ?

Matt Marsh

Analyst

Yes, John, on your first question on U.S. housing, our short term outlook is just been cautious because we came in the last year like most which means our external forecast that had I think the matter which forecast you looked at whether it was Fannie and Freddie are own [Dutch] forecast that we primarily use or many other forecast had calendar 2014 new construction starts in the U.S. up in high double digit teens in the 17%-18% and I think most expected calendar '14 for new construction to look a lot like calendar '13 and calendar '12 and obviously that didn't play out that way and as we waited through the last year despite having three months and six months of new housing data those forecast were also still calling for the third quarter and the fourth quarter have a kind of growth and I guess - point for us it just was an inconsistency so we go into this year and while most of those external forecast aren't as optimistic for calendar '15 as they were for calendar '14 most external forecast still have a very healthy amount of new construction growth in the U.S. and we're not necessarily think that's not going to occur most of the external forecast would have starts up - 8% to 12% it’s a low teens. So, we're not - think it won't occur we're just saying there is a lot more uncertainty and we haven't seen a change in the trend lines in the last nine months just yet. Now unlike last year, this year we've got capacity in place so if the housing market does really start to heat up and the spring build turns out to be better than where the trend line has been over the last three…

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Peter Steyn from Macquarie.

Peter Steyn

Analyst

Just a quick question on your U.S. note issuance I'm curious to understand the strategic importance for you to extend the term particularly beyond the five year window given some of the increased cost on the curve that that incurred just curious to hear your views?

Louis Gries

Analyst

The note for us was all about getting the structure of the balance sheet in a place that from an overall liquidity and the credit management or risk management standpoint that we were comfortable with. And it really started with knowing that we wanted to stay in a net debt position over a long period of time. And although a modest level of net debt, we wanted to structure the base to close that debt over a longer period. The eight years well is a comparatively extensive if you're looking at that compared to our banking facilities, the banking facility is about 40% of those refinance every 18 months if you look at the current maturities. And by all historical context the 5.8% that we paid on the eight year note is well below 30 year to 40 year benchmark for that type of debt, so we felt like the opportunity was right and the market conditions were right for us to get comparatively cheap financing and structure the balance sheet in a way that provided long-term structural debt at a relatively cheap rate. And that's really why we chose to actually keep the transaction in February. You'll also note on the disclosure we do have a [callability] option on that note. We at this point in time would anticipate following the bond but there's certainly is that flexibility into the securities.

Operator

Operator

And there are no further questions at this time, Mr. Gries please continue.

Louis Gries

Analyst

Now that wraps it up and thanks everyone for joining the call. And we'll talk to you in next quarter. See you again.

Operator

Operator

That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating ladies and gentlemen, you may all disconnect.