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Jones Lang LaSalle Incorporated (JLL)

Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Sat, Aug 1, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Second Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call for Jones Lang LaSalle Incorporated. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. A transcript will be posted in the Investor Relations section at jll.com. Any statements made about future results and performance or about plans, expectations and objectives are forward-looking statements. Actual results and performance may differ from those included in the forward-looking statements as a result of factors discussed in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2014, and in our other reports filed with the SEC. The company disclaims any undertaking to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. Now we'll turn to Colin Dyer, Chief Executive Officer, for opening remarks.

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Tim and welcome to everybody joining this review of our results for the second quarter and first half of 2015. With me today is Christie Kelly, our Chief Financial Officer, and Christie will, as is customary, provide details about performance in a few minutes. We had an excellent second quarter and first half of the year. We are seeing the benefits of our decade long program of disciplined strategic investments in both client facing and support platform functions aimed at profitable growth across the broad sweep of our business. Thanks to these long-term investments in people and platform, second quarter fee revenue reached a record $1.2 billion, up 17% in local currency, 9% in U.S. dollars, compared with the second quarter of 2014. Year-to-date fee revenue totaled $2.2 billion, a 20% year-on-year increase in local currency, 13% in U.S. dollars. Adjusted earnings per share reached $2.01 in the quarter, 20% above the second quarter 2014 levels and a new record despite $0.15 negative foreign exchange impact. We recorded year-to-date margin expansion across all our segments. LaSalle Investment Management continued to provide outstanding performance to clients raising $3 billion of capital in the first half and delivering healthy transaction and incentive fees plus significant equity earnings to the firm. We saw a continued momentum in capital markets and our corporate solutions business is having an excellent year, taking market share and building strong pipelines for the rest of 2015. For example, during the quarter we won $80 of every $100 of potential revenue on new business pursuits in our Americas corporate business. To put our current performance in context. The quarter's revenue and adjusted earnings per share are in line with the compound annual growth rates we've achieved since 2010, and that is 11% compound growth on revenue and…

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Colin and welcome to everyone on our call. As Colin noted, our firm reported excellent performance for the second quarter and first half of 2015. We delivered double-digit second quarter fee revenue and adjusted earnings per share growth over last year. Our performance continues to demonstrate the diversity and strength of our platform which starts with our brand and is realized every day by our people who remain focused on our clients and investors. We continue to see in our results the benefits of increased recurring revenue, investments, acquisitions and our focus on productivity. We finished the second quarter with record consolidated fee revenue of $1.2 billion, up 17% over last year, and adjusted earnings per share of $2.01 on adjusted net income of $92 million, up 20% over last year despite a $0.15 negative impact due to currency translation. All three of our geographic segments and LaSalle delivered year-over-year increased performance for the quarter and first half. Capital Markets and Hotels revenue increased 33% on a local currency basis led by a strong quarter in EMEA and the Americas. We delivered these results while continuing to selectively invest in and profitably grow our capital markets business in alignment with our strategic plan. Our annuity based property and facility management business revenue grew steadily at 7% for the second quarter and 9% year-to-date in local currency over a tough comparable last year. The 29% increase in project and development services is a result of continued investment in our Tetris offering in EMEA as well as a focus on cross-selling within our business. LaSalle Investment Management grew advisory, transaction, and incentive fees and generated significant equity earnings from performance for clients. LaSalle continued its successful capital-raising track record in the second quarter raising an additional $948 million of equity…

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Christie. Slide 3 in our investor deck shows a sample of recent business wins across service lines and geographies. In our corporate solutions business, we've won 36 new assignments to date in 2015, expanding existing relationships with 30 clients and we renewed 21 contracts. These 87 wins total 196 million square feet across all of our regions. And as I said earlier, we're having a very good year in our corporate services business. During the quarter we won new business or expanded existing relationships with major corporate clients. In addition to the companies shown on the slide, they include a major North American bank, global biopharma and insurance clients, a large Australian government agency, several leading computer hardware and software companies, major health care insurers, a large clothing manufacturer and one of the world's leading consumer products companies. Our integrated portfolio services business, which serves corporate clients who purchase real estate services locally, continued to grow in the first half winning 29 assignments totaling more than 88 million square feet of space. Turning to investment sales transactions. In Chicago, in a transaction announced just last week we represented Piedmont Office Realty Trust in the pending $712 million sale of the Aon Center. In central London, we advised on a £600 million acquisition of an extensive student housing portfolio. And we negotiated the 635 million Australian dollar sale of Waterfront Place and Eagle Street Pier in Brisbane, which was Australia's largest single office sale since 2009. Second quarter leasing highlights included completing a 1.1 million square foot industrial lease for Amazon.com in New Jersey; representing AXA Belgium on 106,000 square foot office lease in Brussels; and securing 440,000 square feet of new Class A space in Shanghai's Central Business District for WPP Group, the largest -ever CBD leasing transaction in…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question or comment comes from the line of David Gold from Sidoti. Your line is open.

David Gold

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open

Terrific detail. A couple of points of follow-up. First, there were a couple of spots where -- a couple of geographies where you referenced deals where timing was a factor and presumably were delayed into the third quarter. And I was curious if you could add a little bit of color there. Is it just traditional slower activity on the deal front which happens from time to time or particularly, I think with regard to Asia Pacific, do you see some effect there from the economies?

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

Thanks for the question, David. I think in that context, look back as well as forward. You'll remember, we had a very strong Quarter one. And so looking at the two quarters together, it may be some deals fell into the first quarter and not into the second. But for sure we've got some. With the intensity or velocity of deals we're seeing across most markets now, and that includes leasing now as well as capital market transactions, so we've had intensity and velocity, you know, you inevitably see timing shift on large deals from quarter-to-quarter. So I wouldn't read too much into it. We don't. We just think it's just normal course of business noise.

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

And the only thing I'd add to that, David, is as it relates to timing, particularly in Asia Pacific, we've been having a fantastic year as we noted. And specifically there are timing of transactions that fell into the third quarter. They're executed, which are really nice in fees and to address the timing that we were talking about in our hotels, specifically as it relates to our hotels business.

David Gold

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open

Got you. Okay. So presumably we expect some catch up there then?

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

Yes.

David Gold

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open

Okay, perfect. And then, Christie, if you could speak a little bit as to the technology investments going on in the Americas. If you can update us on, a, impact so far, and b, how much is left to do there? When that sort of runs off?

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

From a technology perspective, David, we have ongoing investments in the business overall that last year were averaging around 70 basis points. Now we're graduating up a little bit to 100 basis points based on our strategic plan, and we expect that to continue. The Americas is very in line with that plan, so it's ongoing.

David Gold

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open

Okay, okay. Fair enough. Just one left that I can, Colin, I'd note for the first time in my memory that you actually made a note in the release about how many acquisitions you've done year-to-date and, obviously, have given some additional color. But I was curious, as you think about that in a go-forward basis, is it a function of geographies that you'd like to add to or service lines, or a little bit of both?

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

Well, I used the phrase, I think in my comments, the investments and the acquisitions were across the board sweep of our business and so they're not focused in any one area. We don't have an excessive focus on any one geography or part of our business strategies to grow across the board sweep of our geographies and service lines because we think that growth is available to us. So you've heard of acquisitions from Sweden down to Australia and across the U.S. and across most of our business sectors. So that's an ongoing policy. We'll continue with that acquisition pipeline we're looking at in both value and numbers of transactions reflects a similar sort of profile. As to geographical growth, we said before that that is selective. We are moving across China at the rate of about one opening per year. It's limited by availability of our own resources and skilled people rather than our interest in investing capital there. And we are expanding too in Africa. We opened last year in Lagos and we opened just this quarter in Nairobi, Kenya. So we're building gradually across our Africa platform as well. That's more incremental following our,- particularly our corporate clients' need for us to build in the continent.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question or comment comes from the line of Mitch Germain from JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Mitch Germain

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open

We're hearing a lot about, especially in the Americas region, strength and some of the broadening into some of the secondary markets. And I was just curious how you guys are positioned to benefit from that broadening of trends?

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

Across the Americas?

Mitch Germain

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open

I mean, specifically the Americas is kind of what I'm referencing, but I know that it's happening more on a global basis as well.

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

Yes, it's true. Across the U.S. transaction activity is spreading from -- the intensity of transaction activity is increasing across the broad sweep of smaller and medium sized markets. We are not typically in the smaller cities across the U.S., but if you go down the list of the significant business centers, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, Dallas, Silicon Valley, Atlanta, Charlotte, we are in all of those significant places where still, in value terms, the bulk of business gets done and certainly those are the cities where the major investors are present and the major corporate clients are also present and active. So we don't feel disadvantaged. We think our Americas business is extremely strongly represented across the sweep of the States. We have probably the largest tenant rep business in the U.S. market. So we've got full strength across the leasing and tenant rep activity areas. And as we said, with 30%-plus growth rates in our capital markets business, we've been investing in teams and acquisitions to build that part of our U.S. service portfolio. So we believe we're in good shape and we're growing strongly.

Mitch Germain

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open

Great, that's very helpful. Christie, I know you mentioned about 100 productivity initiatives and I know you kind of introduced some of these initiatives, give or take, about a year ago. And I'm curious how you measure the progress and how should we interpret that measurement in terms of these initiatives?

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

From the perspective of measuring the progress, Mitch, there are a couple of different things. First of all, we're focused on driving productivity across three primary levers, which include price, process and people. And specifically on the price, we're looking to drive incremental price to combat steep revenue pressures. We're looking at better underwriting processes, we're looking at ways to better design our pricing processes, drive best practices. From a process perspective, it's all about driving improvement in the way we work. And then from a people perspective, we're really looking at opportunities to increase the revenue per head for our team. And we look at the number of initiatives that we have coming into the business, which are coming from all over. When we first started, we were talking about 50 or 60 initiatives. We started with 20, 30, 50, 60, now we've got almost 120 initiatives around the globe. We talk about them and review them with our team during our quarterly operating reviews, as well as when I go out to visit our major markets, and I've almost been to all 60 of our major markets at this point. And we also look at the benefits, the quantified benefits for this year, next year and the following year. So we analyze those benefits on a three-year rolling average basis. And where we are right now, we have almost 120. We've got a lot of upside in that. There are 40% of those projects that still have not been quantified and we're looking at overall benefits on an annual basis of about $40 million in gross margin impacts. So the targets specifically are driving for approximately a point of incremental margin. It's been great progress and we're having some fun with it too, around the globe.

Mitch Germain

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open

Great, that's really helpful. And then the last one for me. It seems like hiring has been pretty much on par with last year levels, or at least your appetite to add producers. I'm just curious in terms of maybe, by geography or by business line, is there a specific focus? It seems like investment sales might be a huge focus, but if you can just provide some perspective there I'd appreciate it.

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

It's across the broad sweep of our businesses. I made the comment earlier, Mitch, about the acquisition approach which is, again, across the broad sweep because we see opportunities for growth everywhere. I have to say at this point in the cycle it gets tougher and if anything, the numbers are coming off slightly year-on-year because we're seeing people in their own existing businesses doing well, transacting well with good pipelines. And so it becomes harder to draw them across to our business. Having said that, we are seeing useful sources of new people, good new people, from some of the consolidations that are either underway or are being planned at this stage. That obviously provides motivation for people to want to make moves and we have been benefiting from that. So we continue to be open to good people who share our values and in particular want to work in an environment of collaboration with their colleagues, and that open-door policy serves us well. I'd say there are parts of the markets, European investment sales, U.S. leasing activity, the West Coast of the U.S. where activity is so intense that it's really hard for us to keep up with the level of businesses available to us and hire at the pace to be able to deliver. So challenges of that sort are good challenges to have. They are fairly well spread across our markets globally.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question or comment comes from the line of Brad Burke from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Brad Burke

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

I wanted to ask about M&A, and certainly we see the headlines, it looks like the pace is increasing. The way that it's disclosed in terms of capital expense, it's sometimes difficult to compare apples-to-apples just because of the payout of earn out. So I don't know if you'd be able to give us some sense of how you are trending this year versus last in terms of the total value of M&A, new incremental M&A. And if you could give us any sense of how we ought to think about that on a go forward basis, I think that would be helpful.

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

I think if you look at last year versus this year, Brad, we're trending up in terms of the numbers and value of transactions that we have executed as well as announced. And further to that, given the robustness of our pipeline we are expecting, as Colin had discussed in his remarks, for the value and number to continue increasing through the year.

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

Just on numbers. We did about $155 million of transaction value in the last 18 months and that split roughly $50 million per half year. [indiscernible] value of transactions.

Brad Burke

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

And you'll expect to increase from that level?

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

That's what we said.

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

That's right, yes.

Brad Burke

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Okay. And then just on the investment management equity income. Christie, you gave us some color on how to think about incentive fees. Are you able to give a sense of how to think about equity income over the balance of the year versus what was, obviously, a very strong Q2?

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. I think it's consistent with what we've said in the past, Brad.

Brad Burke

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Okay. And if you could remind me what that was?

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

Consistent with last year's performance.

Brad Burke

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Got it, okay. And then on the IT investments. One of the things I think that’s just difficult for us is to think about that cash investment and the cash return that you get on it eventually, versus things that are maybe a little bit easier to model, like M&A or co-investments within the investment management business. So I wanted to get your thoughts on how you think about the incremental return on that and how it compares against other things that you could be investing in? And to the extent that we're looking at the size of those investments, how much of that should we be thinking about is just the cost of entry to keep up with competitors that are also making pretty significant IT investments and how much of that is really offensive market share taking potential investments in IT?

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

Well, Brad, we're not keeping up with anybody. We are leading, we believe, across the broad sweep of our businesses, and in particular the corporate sector. If you go back to Ford's earnings statements yesterday, there's a traditional industry where their CEO talked about a sea change and the disruptive influence that technology is having on the good old traditional automotive sector. Well, that same phenomenon is happening across all businesses and it's certainly happening now in real estate, arguably sort of later than many other sectors. So a good part of what we're doing is table takes, and by setting the pace we are raising the table stakes for other people. We said it's about our own internal platforms and making our own people more efficient and to Christie's point, more productive in the way they do their work. And importantly and a big difference from, say, five to ten years ago, the last cycle, it's systems and applications which are being accessed and used and data that's being fed back to our clients across the broad sweep of our business lines. In that context, it's a significant help in winning business when we can give clients visibility on how deal flows are taking place, when [indiscernible] expose their investors to up-to-date real time portfolio performance when our corporate solutions business can show these multinational corporations, the performance of their real estate, again, real time. That helps us with business and makes it harder for others to compete.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question or comment comes from the line of Brandon Dobell from William Blair. Your line is open.

Brandon Dobell

Analyst · William Blair. Your line is open

I want to focus on LIM for a second. Maybe it's a proxy for what's going on globally. Some color on where the capital raises are coming from in your geographies and, I guess, maybe product types and what should that tell us about future trends within the property markets and how you guys are positioning the owner and occupier services maybe along what LIM is seeing on a forward basis?

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

So the capital raise is across Australia, Japan, broader Asia, Continental Europe, Britain, and the U.S. So just going down the list in my mind, that's all of our geographies. And so it's a broad -- and it's part of this broad trend we're seeing of institutional investors wanting to put money and then more money and more money into real estate. The pipeline we think, it gives us roughly $12 billion of purchasing power. So $9 billion of equity and a further $3 billion of debt with that. So a significant forward business potential there. Your question about what are the implications of that? Well for us it means LaSalle business continues its very healthy organic growth helped by the co-investment that Christie referred to across-the-board business area. We're very pleased that our Asia platform which had a really rough time during and for the few years after the recession, is now back firing on all cylinders, generating incentive fees and attracting a lot of capital. So that's a great success. And the implications for the broader firm, we run LaSalle operationally separately and that independence and autonomy is something which we, Christie and I both, underlined to the senior managers at a conference in Chicago last month. They have to have that independence for their fiduciary responsibilities to their investors. Where they want to use the firm, they're welcome to. And they do if they believe that the firm will provide the best services for them in any one market. But I think the indications of the amount of money going in through LaSalle and other investment vehicles into real estate just says that our industry will continue to grow at the service end as well, because that institutional money needs professional handling at the LaSalle level, but it needs professional handling when it comes to services, i.e., high-quality leasing, high-quality building management, high-quality sales transaction management when that becomes appropriate. And that professionalization of services and the trend towards the larger brands and the higher-quality brands means that our market should continue to grow positively in the services area for both this cycle but across the next coming few cycles and decades.

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

Brad, the only thing I'd add there, just to give you a little specificity on what Colin mentioned at the start of his answer to the question, is the capital raised in terms of, by region, was primarily in Europe and the Americas. And then in terms of product, 50% of the capital raised is in alignment with our separate accounts business and then about 25% between co-mingled funds and the securities business.

Brandon Dobell

Analyst · William Blair. Your line is open

Okay. Do you see any fee pressure on the new money you're raising relative to money you raised last year, a couple of years ago?

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

Yes, there's fee pressure, Brandon. As you can imagine, especially as we're driving for bigger funds to drive productivity. Sometimes they're not as lucrative as the smaller funds. But from the perspective of our business over the long term, our team has been driving productivity in the platform because they saw this coming years and years and years ago. And I'm really pleased to report that, I didn't put it in my remarks for this quarter as I do usually, but the team drove over 10% productivity in assets under management, and that's on the back of last quarter driving another 14%. And they're really working on improving the way they work to ensure that they're the best that they can be on behalf of their investors. And the other thing too is, that performance really comes as a result of their investment prowess.

Brandon Dobell

Analyst · William Blair. Your line is open

Got it. As you guys think about trends in America, leasing in particular, newer deals that your guys are working on, are they even are coming with the corporate services umbrella? Do they look any different now than they did a couple of years ago in terms of term structure, how the brokers are being compensated by customers? I just want to get a sense if there's any change in the margin given now we're a couple of years into a decent leasing market?

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Well, the general trend for leasing across the U.S. is, demand is ramping up and this would actually be a very solid global comment too, certainly for the mature markets. The demand is ramping up. The supply of new space in the office market is relatively restricted and that would be certainly true across Europe and the U.S. So against that rents are tending to rise and that is in turn beginning to drive more development and delivery of more space in '16, '17, and '18. So that virtuous circle is up [away] [ph] and it's tending to benefit the landlord side of the equation. So with that the general market dynamics are for better fee structures, in particular, we're seeing that in the major cities across the U.S. where demand is tightening and where therefore from the tenant rep side, our services are valuable and useful to the corporates looking for space.

Brandon Dobell

Analyst · William Blair. Your line is open

Okay. And then a final one for me -- sorry for dragging on here -- Christie, as you think about the sustainability of the incremental margins that you guys have put up the last several quarters which have been pretty strong. How do we think about the sustainability of either personnel productivity or your ability to hold the line on some of the more G&A focused costs? Or is there growing pressure to spend more in advance of what seems to be some decent growth opportunities for the next couple of years?

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

Well, Brandon, I think our performance on a year-to-date basis, we don't run the business by quarter, and over the long term speaks for itself and we've driven significant incremental margin improvement in our firm. Our business has really focused on ensuring that we have the right comp structures as well as the right tension and balance in our operating expenses. And so to that point, everybody around the globe has been very focused on making sure that we're getting the appropriate leverage in the business and driving profitable revenue growth on behalf of our shareholders. We put out there in our guide posts that we are very focused on driving 25 to 35 basis points of incremental margin improvement over the long term. We're on track for that, and from the perspective of going forward, given the strength of this team, the focus on productivity in our clients and being the best that we can be, it's sustainable.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question or comment comes from the line of David Ridley-Lane from Bank of America.

David Ridley-Lane

Analyst · Bank of America

On Projects and Development Services, this is an area where you have a little less visibility in third party data. So curious if your pipelines would support a continued 20% plus growth in the second half?

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

Sort of stumped, David. We don't have that data to hand in that level of detail across the globe. But I'd say, as a generalization, we commented on our pipelines being pretty full across service lines everywhere. The corporate activity which basically drives the project business in our organization, as we said is ramping up because companies are now investing for growth again, taking space as I described. And that's tending to mean that they're allocating capital to kitting out and expanding their space. So it's a healthy background. I can't give you the exact pipeline but the trend should be solidly positive throughout the year. It's another area where we're hiring as quickly as we can but where hiring is a challenge as the markets get difficult -- sorry, the market gets tight and active.

David Ridley-Lane

Analyst · Bank of America

Okay. And just to clarify the growth investments drag. The 70 basis points in 2014 and 100 basis points in 2015. Was that an America specific comment or a total company number?

Christie Kelly

Chief Financial Officer

Total company. And when you take a look at the Americas, the Americas are really right on track for that as well.

David Ridley-Lane

Analyst · Bank of America

Got it. And global rents, up 3% in the second quarter. We've read some industry reports suggesting the market wide vacancy rate may be less meaningful given changes in occupiers' preferences towards open floor plans. Live, work, play locations and energy efficient buildings. Curious to get your view on the idea or the thesis that rental rates could accelerate over the next one to two years more than what the vacancy or net absorption would suggest?

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

Well, we're certainly seeing the trend to more open space for, call it Google staff space, if you like. Not just in the traditional tech sector but because there are more and more technologists and IT people being hired into traditional corporations, think banks, motor companies, real estate services firms. Those people are tending to want that sort of forward-looking space inside those traditional organizations as well. And that then spreads to the broader working population. So we are seeing that trend. To say it's at the margin is not to marginalize it, but it's not 60% of all office space is being subject to that trend. There is still a very large, the very large majority of office space is more traditional style. So, again to that, sort of comment on the transition of space, of types of space, the key drivers for rental demand is that circle I described earlier on. Demand is increasing clearly, new supply is coming on strongly in developing economies. So there's a top eight cities in terms of scale of pipeline. Seven of those eight cities are in Asia Pacific. And the more mature cities are only adding to their office pipeline or their office stock at the rate of, sort of 3% in the case of New York or 5% in the case of London annually. So a very constricted new supply coming through. That's pushing rents up and in turn driving for more development deliveries where it, once again, the majority of that delivery on a global basis is coming on in the developing countries, Shanghai, Mexico City, Dubai, Mumbai, Singapore, Beijing, for example. So what does all that mean when you put it together? It means the markets are shifting globally towards landlord-controlled rather than tenant-controlled. It means tenants are having to look ahead and think further out about their requirements because the lack of available quality space coming through means they have to look ahead and think three and four years out in terms of their growth requirements and how they're going to satisfy them. So all that means, put it together in a more active market as we've described, with more space being transacted across the broad sweep of major cities globally. Is that what you were kind of driving at with your question?

David Ridley-Lane

Analyst · Bank of America

Yes. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question or comment comes from the line of Michael Mueller from JP Morgan. Your line is open.

Michael Mueller

Analyst · JP Morgan. Your line is open

I actually tried to get out of the queue. My question was actually the prior one asked on the strong growth on project and development services which I think you tried to answer. So, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I'll now turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Colin Dyer

Chief Executive Officer

Well, thank you, operator. And thank you everybody for your interest in our company and for joining us on the call today. We look forward to speaking to you again at the end of our third quarter, at the end of September. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day.