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KB Financial Group Inc. (KB)

Q3 2007 Earnings Call· Mon, Oct 29, 2007

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Operator

Operator

Thank you very much CFO Shun Hyun Gap, now we will take your questions. [Operator Instructions] We will take questions. Yes the question comes from Mr. Hun Tun Yong [ph] from Morgan and Stanley. Hun Tung Yong – Morgan Stanley: Yes good afternoon. I have about two questions, the first question is about the NIM which I think has contracted more than I thought, all about the various, how much of the impact was there due to the changes of the contribution rates to the guaranteed funds, and it seems that somebody said that the bottom is expected to be about 3.33 or 3.35 has that estimation changed? And it seems that the costs are going up to the 46% ranges and could you give us some of the guidance related with your costs?

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Well thank you very much for that question. First about the guarantee deposits, the guarantee fees, whether that impacted the decrease of, I think that did decrease our NIM by about 3 BP. In the past, the reason why our NIMs have contracted more than what we had thought, is because recently there were changes in the market, especially the funding side of the market has been a volatile as you know. The demand deposits have moved quite a lot to the CMA accounts and funds, investment products have become quite popular and we think that some of our time deposits supply has contracted quite significantly due to this population of investment products, and so while our assets are growing quite rapidly, our deposit growth has been relatively slower and so that difference had to be funded through market marked deposits, and debenture issues. And this has made us pay a relatively higher funding cost. On the other hand there was very fierce competition on the loan market, and it was difficult for us to completely hand over the increase on our funding side to our loan pricing. Also our credit card assets, which offer a higher margin did, were impacted by the stagnation of the household or housing market that was one factor. While we could not increase these higher margin assets higher, on our SOHO loans, which are collateralized or securitized are relatively lower margin as you know. So the volume on these sides, have increased and so that is why overall the mean appears to have decreased more. We think that this trend itself will continue for the time being but we also have plans being implemented for example, we are continuing to price in our funding cost increases to our loan pricing. We have already stared that and we will continue to reflect more of our funding cost to our loan pricing. So maybe the NIM will decrease a bit further but the pace of the decrease we believe will slow down but the cost income ratio. Up till now KB has been involved in various initiatives, for example we had a project to atomize our processes and to integrate our imaging system. We also have launched our next generation system project, and we are, we have opened about 16 new branches up so this year and all of that has infected to a higher cost income ratio. But on the ‘I’ rate we will be maintaining, we are cautious of maintaining our cost income ratio. However on a product base, we may need to make investments to enhance our sales capability and if these investments are necessary on a case by case basis we are still willing to commit and invest if that is necessary for better sales power.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, you used about, a word called BAU and that's Business As Usual let me add that's the acronym of that. Next question Philip Rogers from Goldman Sachs, please ask your question. Philip Rogers – Goldman Sachs: Yes I have two questions for you, the first question pertains to capital management, can you give us some guidance on your potent considerations on capital management from here particularly pertaining to a potential coming bid for KB if you have the opportunity and how you are thinking about capital in that context?

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Well early this year we said that given no special things happening in the future that we were thinking of dividend of 30%. And as for KEB, well thank you for your interests and we are keeping cap on the situation. However, as of now our judgment is that 30% dividend would still give us enough room to prepare for any things related to KEB.

Operator

Operator

Next question from Citi Securities Ms. Chun [ph] Yung [ph].

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes good afternoon my name is Chun Yung from Citi. I have three questions; the first is the net interests margin has decreased quarter on quarter. You did give us some details of the contributing factors. How much of the margin was impacted because of the number of operating days? For example originally what was your recovery target? Could you go over the actual in the difference? The second is the volume growth it seems especially, the corporate volume is growing strongly. Looking out to the future in your volume and margin where will you place your priorities on? Third question is related with capital management I would like to lead on to that question. I’m thinking that you’re still interested in non-bank MNAs securities it seems is, seems to be the most eminent area. But on the non-banking side, where which industries would be your MNA priorities? And what is the purpose about MNA’s possibilities and the securities sector?

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Well the first two questions I think I’ll answer the first two, third question I’d like to give that to our CEO. About the decrease in our NIM at the end of the quarter, and the end of the third quarter there was a concentration of holidays and we think that, that contributed to about 2 to 3 BP decrease which will then also have the opposite effect of during the fourth quarter. About the volume and margins, the trade off of the volumes and margins and where we place our priorities; we think that when we look on to 2008. Of course we have not finalized our business plans for that yet. But on a rough basis for 2008, we are thinking of a system growth level for next year, which will be about 7% to 8% within that range of volume growth is what we are considering for next year. So we don't have any intentions of growing or out growing the market organically at least. And so next year our margins will be bigger focus or an emphasis for us probably. Chung Won Kang – President, Chief Executive Officer, Director: And about the non-bank sector where we are considering investments as we had made our disclosure on the securities there is [inaudible] securities and we are thinking of not only MNA but also a possibility of establishing our own business, which could reach a decision within this year and in addition to the securities sector we could think of looking at opportunities as well.

Operator

Operator

Thank you we’ll move on to next question from Templeton Mr. Chung

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes good afternoon, my name is Chung I’m from Templeton. I have three questions first which relates to, the banks; with securities companies [inaudible] are watching the move towards the MA accounts to block any customer attrition. So do you also have plans to, I think, you have plans also to run CME based salary deposit account what’s happening on that front? And secondly according to media report, I think consumer banking will be some area that you are looking into or especially... consumer lending. So if you are prepared to going to that area, how do you see the market... going forward? And are you going to have that as a subsidiary once you become a holding company what will be... the structure? And thirdly the banking structure is changing very rapidly, so this question is to CEO what do you think of the, banking industry will be like for 2008? Any implications or guidance you could give to analysts or, and your investors.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

First about the, the CNA and the deposit account products, I would like to ask Mr. Lee [ph] from the marketing department to answer. Yes the CME fund, yes it’s moving away from the bank so we are, at KB also keeping close watch on the market trend. However we are trying to avoid any interest based competition but we are trying to create funding products so that we can have more competition based on better quality of products. For example for any preference for the demand deposits or other ways to guarantee certain level of yield or income to customers, is what we are looking at. So for the CME products, again we are keeping close watch about what’s happening in the market. Chung Won Kang – President, Chief Executive Officer, Director: In addition to that I also read in the newspaper today that the CME account at Taipei, it was reported that we are not interested in that area for the time being. As for the consumer lending we have started to review but I think its going to take some time. And to enter this sector I do not think we have to wait to, until we have holding company established. Lastly about the question about the implication I could give about banking industry for the next year, well to analysts I want to actually ask you that question to prepare for the next year, but you have given me the question first. So, I think sales of the banks in Korea is going to get tougher and more challenging next year. So creativity and pro-activeness in sales will become more important and also the banks size up to now has become quite big over the time. So in that regard I think analysts maybe better than focusing too much on financial analysis you should also consider how the risk are managed at banks and the internal control how much investment the banks have made while also growing in size.

Operator

Operator

Yes we’ll take the next question from Shinzong [ph] Securities Mr. Lee please. Yes hello, yes please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I have two or three questions. The first question is about the NIM which is a favorite topic it seems today. Would about your liquidity ratios for KB, what is your liquidity ratio being managed at and some... some related question to the liquidity is because CFO Shin mentioned, it seems that cost and this issue is that how much you can pass over your funding cost to your lending or loans. Lid with liquidity, one way of managing the NIM maybe by changing the composition of your assets is there no room to do that or how much? And so the... liquidity ratio I think was a bit of a challenge for KB at the end of September of course its not so serious issue, but there was some talk of that in the market so I think it’s good for you to comment. And about the non- interest income third quarter, even if we consider the LG card proceeds or the income I think the non interest income was not as strong as what I had expected. And the fee income from the ITC products, considering that the share of these off fund fees have increased are these compared to the previous ITC fees its not that high either. And so on the non-interest income, why is it as strong as I expected or is this according to your plans on schedule? And the third question is about the cost income ratio. You mentioned that in the BAU prospective it could be maintained at current levels, but there could some projects individual product case by case project demand. But when we look at G&A and other aspects the cost income ratio I think would have to go up. There’s no way that it cannot go up especially if you want to increase your non interest income you would need to make investments and you probably may not be able to increase your non interests income without increasing your cost income... cost income ratio. And so 2008, 2009 what would be your good defense level for your cost income ratio this next year or the following year?

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

About the liquidity ratio, I think we were, our liquidity ratio is increasing by the least just as other banks. We are closely watching the liquidity ratio increase and next year our growth target is probably going to be system growth but at an higher, and I think that is also not totally unrelated with our liquidity ratio. At the end of the third quarter our liquidity ratio you said was a challenge but which is I don't think true. And currently we have totally no problem in keeping our liquidity ratio ceilings. However in the market still there is a very strong tendency for the volume driven business however we would like to take a different stance and if necessary we are willing to sell assets or issue MBS if necessary so that we can reduce out funding costs and also diversify our source of funding at the same time. And by doing that we would improve our, or at least we would gain room to improve our NIM. About non interest income the reason we are not growing there is as you pointed out our non interest income is mainly contributed by bank insurance and ITC. They are growing quite strongly however this year the housing market, the property market was quite stagnant and therefore there was a decrease of housing fee income and there was also a decrease of guarantee fees. There was an increase though about our contributions to the guarantee trust and there was a bit more of a marketing expense necessary on a credit card side because of fiercer marketing competition. And during the third quarter since the sub prime crisis, rates had rapidly increased during the third quarter and there were some evaluation losses on our treading bonds. All of these factors have contributed and the non interest income appears to have not grown that much. But regarding the housing fund and the trust side we have I think hit the bottom already. And about the trust guarantee fee we probably will not go any higher probably be maintained at current levels and so when it comes to non interest income we do see that it will be increasing in the future.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We don't seem to have any more questions I think because the presentation was very good and maybe there seems to be no, also no questions forth coming. So this concludes the third quarter earnings conference for KB for the year 2007 the presentation material and the video presentation of our earnings conference will be available from our web site from this date on and if you have any more questions please contact KB’s IR department. We’ll be more than ready to help you, thank you for your participation.