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KB Financial Group Inc. (KB)

Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 20, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Peter Kwon

Management

Good afternoon. My name is Peter Kwon, Head of IR at KB Financial Group. We will now begin the KBFG 2016 Q3 earnings release presentation. Thank you very much for joining in today. Joining us for today's earnings conference call are KBFG's CFO, Huh, Jungsoo, and executives from the Group. The conference will consist of earnings presentation by our CFO, Mr. Huh, followed by a Q&A session at which time you may call in for questions. Let me now invite our CFO, Huh Jungsoo, for 2016 Q3 earnings presentation.

Huh Jungsoo

Operator

Good afternoon. I am Huh Jungsoo, CFO of KB Financial Group. Before going into the earnings presentation, let me briefly talk about the overall business environment. In Q3 due to uncertainties around US rate hike and corporate restructuring, including the shipping industries concerns were about. Even under such a bank, KB Financial Group was able to continue top-line growth through robust loan growth and through defending its NIM and due to the ERP implemented last year and this year, G&A was kept at a stable level. And despite conservative provisioning credit cost was maintained at a low level continuing on with an overall improvement in profitability. Also on October 19 through comprehensive share swap, Hyundai Securities have now successfully fully become - became a subsidiary, so they are solidifying groups non-bank portfolio. With such development we will focus on maximizing synergies across group subsidiaries such as securities and insurance business, so as to sustain rise in group's profitability and its deepening low growth in low interest rate environment. With that, allow me to elaborate on key highlights of our earnings for the quarter in page two. First is on net interest income. Q3 group and the banks NIM were 1.85% and 1.58% respectively keeping to last quarter’s levels, despite policy rate cuts in June. Loan growth continued to be robust, driving NII net interest income slightly upwards on a Q-on-Q basis. But for additional policy rate cuts we expect NIM to bottom out around the end of the year, but if rate cut happens, we expect rebounds to take place one or two quarters latter. Moving to continued improvement in headcount structure and cost management assets, G&A is showing a gradually decline. We plan to utilize various means to enhance cost efficiencies going forward. Despite provisioning relating to KCI and…

Operator

Operator

A - Peter Kwon

Analyst

We will take the question from HMC Securities, Mr. Jinsang Kim.

Jinsang Kim

Analyst

Good afternoon. First of all, thank you very much for the good performance. And I have three simple questions. The first has to do with your D'live provisioning. It seems that you've been quite conservative in provisioning for D'live. Could you provide some explanation and background as to why you did so? And also I understand that there were two reversals - two factors of reversals including HMM, but other than those factors that you've mentioned are there any other one-off items that you did not mention during the presentation? And second question, in the June there was a rate cut and in consideration of that the Q3 NIM was well protected and defended. And you've mentioned that you think that by the fourth quarter it will hit bottom and the trend will start to reverse. So can you share with us what you project to be next year's outlook? And also what are the main reasons that you were able to really defend your NIM? What were the main key aspects? And also since as we're nearing the end of the year I think people are interested in your dividend. And I do know that we're a little too early. But can you provide some color as to your dividend policy for the year?

Peter Kwon

Management

Yes, please bear with us. Please bear with us for a moment. We will respond to the question momentarily. Yes, let me respond to that question. Mr. Jinsang Kim, thank you very much for the good questions. I understand that you raised three questions. First question had to do with D'live and provisioning for D'live and the background to such decision. And you asked about some of the one-off items, you asked about NIM and you asked about dividend as well. First of all, as I've previously mentioned, in Q3 if you look at the one-off factors for the quarter, they had to do with the provisioning side. First has to do with D'live and KCI. We have actually applied more rigorous categorization and ratings for this loan and we provisioned in the total of KRW97.8 billion. The reason why we decided to be a little conservative on this provisioning is because as you know with respect to the IPTV industry we are seeing deregulation take place and large companies are being very aggressive in this space. As a result the future outlook for the cable TV industry seems not to be all that positive. And under this backdrop therefore we believe that the cash flow from D'live and its capability to repay on the principals are quite uncertain and there are some concerns relating to those issues. And at the same time, as you understand, the overall backdrop has aggravated in terms of the sale of D'live and we've made some internal assessment and we've decided to really categorize it from a more rigid perspective. And also with debt-to-equity swap for Hyundai Merchant and Marine there was a reversal of KRW31.3 billon and Dongkuk Steel had made repayments on its loans and there was reversal of KRW28 billion. So…

Peter Kwon

Management

So there is question waiting in line, let us wait, a little longer. Let’s take a question from Mr. Kim Eng of Ugin Securities. Kim Eng of Ugin Securities

Kim Eng

Analyst

Well, about the acquisition of the remaining shares of Hyundai Securities, that we think it's quite positive in terms of the share price of KB, as well as the business performance. And when it comes to KB insurance, because of the RBC issue and when it comes to KB capital has about 52% of the share and the capital market is quite doing really well, but there's an issue of capital increase. So about the shares and about that equity swap and the subsidiaries, what are your thoughts about increasing the shares? I know it's a bit early but can you tell us about your plans to increase the shares in your subsidiaries and others?

Peter Kwon

Management

As we are waiting for a response, if you could just bear with us for a minute. Mr. Kim, thank you very much for your question. As you know KB Financial Group's business portfolio has been pointed out as a weakness and especially when it comes to non-bank business and the KB insurance and KB capital. About the increase of our shares in these two subsidiaries there's a lot of interest. Of course from our - we want to increase the value of our group and also improve the business efficiency, and therefore we do see the need to increase our shares in those two subsidiaries and this is something that we need to focus on, something that we will have to focus on. However, these two companies are listed companies as you know. And so I want to be very careful in my communication related to our shares or there are plans to increase the shares in these two companies. So let me just say that I want to be really careful on that. What the market wants and what market expect, we will make full preparations in advance so that we will be able to satisfy the expectation of our shareholders. I hope that answers your question.

Peter Kwon

Management

We will take the next question from Dongbu Securities, Byung Gun Lee, please go ahead.

Byung Gun Lee

Analyst

Yes. Good afternoon. I am from Dongbu Securities. My name is Byung Gun Lee. My question is actually a follow up to what was already raised as a question. If you look at Hyundai Securities, now it has become our full subsidiary, next year in terms of any merger integration schedules, can you provide some color? And eventually, basically this merged securities arm in terms of the net profit basis, can you provide some guideline and guidance as to what the size would be? And also in terms of your G&A it really declined more than we expected and therefore I think your endeavor they are really reaping and bearing fruit. Once you actually do complete the merger and once Hyundai Securities integrated and according to the press releases, I would think that your wage system would become much more performance-based. I know that you're putting an effort to introduce a performance-based wage system. So after Hyundai Securities is included on a consolidated basis what should we expect for the G&A line item and how do you plan to control your G&A expenses? So that would be my question.

Peter Kwon

Management

Thank you for the question. Please bear with us. We will respond to the question momentarily. Thank you very much Mr. Lee for the good question that you've raised. In terms of the schedules going forward, in May after the acquisition of Hyundai Securities we really accelerated the overall process. So to a certain extent we did kind of rush at this and the reason is because in the M&A process what I believe is most critical is a very rapid progress, so that we could within our group come up with a good business structure including the expense and cost aspects and really wrapping up that merger process in as soon as possible we felt was quite important. We believe that by the end of the year including the merger of the both companies, in relating to all the other aspects we wish to end those efforts so that by next year we will be an integrated entity as KB Securities. And in terms of the guidance’s relating to net profit, as well as operational performance we will get back to you on that with the specifics later. You asked about us G&A as well, G&A expenses. Hyundai Securities on the expense side there are some opportunities for improvement on the G&A side, that's - we understand that there could be room for improvement and also in terms of the wage structure, we believe that there are areas where we could make further enhancements. And once we work on those opportunities we believe that the CIR ratio that we are currently targeting we will be able to control it under that guideline. Please bear with me and please understand that I won't be able to disclose specific numbers at this point, but if you need more details we will try to provide that via our IR team. I hope that answered your question.

Peter Kwon

Management

We will take the next question, the question from Mr. Hanik Na from Nomura Securities.

Hanik Na

Analyst

My name is Hanik Na from Nomura Securities. Your Q3 performance is quite good. And when I talk to the investors, they say that they have to wait and see what happens until the Q4 to see what the whole year performance is like because in Q4 there seems to be some decline in terms of performance. And last year in terms of I think credit cost, I think it was about KRW1,600 billion, but in Q4 that was over KRW400 billion in Q4 that was. But this time around I tell my investors that things were changed, it's not going to be like the way it was before but the investors are still concerned about Q4. And so we usually don't talk about Q4, we'll say let's see, look at what the performance would be like in Q1. So there is like logic of response to the performance of Q4 of the Korean banks. Of course we do want to see change in Q4, so I wonder what you think about this. And in Q4 in terms of bad debt, expenses and what should we think.

Peter Kwon

Management

Thank you very much for the question. We'll get back to you as soon as we have prepared a response for you. Mr. Na, thank you very much for the question. As you have said, the Korean Banks most of them anyway in Q4 usually show increased provisioning and that was the trend. And at KBFG we have realized that have brought about a decline in the trust of the banks here in Korea. In case of KBFG last year, in Q4 there was additional provisioning. And it's not because it was Q4 then we did the provisioning. Well, we have reviewed asset quality since last year and for 2016 in anticipation of what will happen in 2016, so we did addition of provision in Q4. And for this year we do not expect anything to happen for us to make additional provisioning. And so in Q4 I'm sure the market is aware of this because there will be some reversal from a company such as assemble, civil engineer or construction. Thank you.

Peter Kwon

Management

So we do not have any questions in the queue. But we will wait a minute. I believe that we are fully entertaining questions with regards to the questions that you may have. Please bear with us for one moment to see if there are any additional questions. We have one more question that’s coming through from CS Securities, Kelhyum Kim. Go ahead please.

Kelhyum Kim

Analyst

I would like to ask you a question about your capital policy. It seems like it's been quite some time that if you look at CET Tier 1 ratio and capital adequacy it's very stabilized. It seems like you have quite large capital. Even despite the M&A we see continuous increase on capital. If we assume the loan growth is not going to be all that significant I think CET1 ratio in light of the 25% payout ratio of last year I think CET1 is continuously going to go up. So is there any other reason that the outsiders don't know. I mean are there any concerns that internally the company is worried about that's why you want to maintain capital at this level? Or going forward are there any ways for us to actually utilize these additional capital or excess capital?

Peter Kwon

Management

Thank you very much for the question. Please bear with us for a moment. Mr. Kim for your question. Relating to your questions on the capital side, I Know that KB Investors are very much interested in this topic and you are also concerned on some certain aspect. Having said that, as of end of Q3 and if you look at BIS ratio in CET1, its respectively 15.25% and 13.52% You may say that this is relatively high but in our view at our company we believe that for some time to come if you look at the financial industry or the banking sector in terms of the business, we expect that there could be some uncertainties, that will continue exist. And also in terms of the additional M&A opportunities and really providing more growth strategies, we believe that we do need capital in order to basically allow that to happen and I know that also - things about concerns about excessive capital and when it comes to capital regime and capital regulations going forward, we expect regulatory capital aspect to further become more rigorous. Therefore we believe that the capital levels that we - we have at this point is not overly excessive. In terms of the capital management policy, if you wish to know more details, we will communicate with you through our IR team later. Thank you. Thank you for the answer Mr. Huh. We do not have further questions waiting in line. So let us wait a little longer.

Peter Kwon

Management

I think there are no further questions. We would like to know conclude the 2016 Q3 earnings presentation of KBFG. Thank you very much.