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KB Financial Group Inc. (KB)

Q3 2024 Earnings Call· Sat, Oct 26, 2024

$106.93

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. We will now begin the 2024 Q3 business results presentation, and thank you very much for participating in today's earnings release. We have here with us, Group CFO and SEVP, Jae Kwan Kim, as well as Executives from our Group. Regarding today's agenda, first there will be a video of our Group CEO and Chairman, Jong Hee Yang, explaining our company's value-up plan, which was disclosed today; and then our group CFO will cover 2024 Q3 major earnings results. After that, we will have a Q&A session. We will now watch a video covering KB Financial Group Sustainable Value-up Plan.

Jong-Hee Yang

Management

Greetings, I am Jong Hee Yang, Chairman and CEO of KB Financial Group. I will briefly cover KBFG's sustainable value-up plan to our shareholders and investors in and out of Korea who support and love KB. KB has the significant responsibility of both utilizing the capital that our shareholders have invested to maximize profitability to continuously achieve high profits and at the same time, maintain asset quality as a financial company, which plays a pivotal role in supporting the nation's economy. During the past 10 years, KB, by strengthening fundamentals through painstaking efforts, diversified our portfolio. In addition, we firmly established our position as a leading financial group representing Korea in terms of earnings, shareholder return and ESG. As a result, our capital profitability and asset quality has grown to the point where it stands shoulder to shoulder with leading global companies. And our value per share also has considerably improved. In addition, through continued shareholder return efforts, 2023 total shareholder return ratio grew to 37.7%. However, shareholder return is still being pointed out as the biggest reason KB's corporate value is being undervalued. And we have the task of increasing the level of our shareholder return for our company's value to be properly assessed. While preparing for this value-up disclosure, what we believe was the most important shareholder return philosophy was, first, sustainability; and second, predictability. What we most painstakingly thought about long and hard about was how to catch three rabbits which were to continuously improve company's profitability and also enhance shareholder value and in addition, maintain our corporate asset quality. Going forward, KB will link shareholder returns to CET1 ratio and return surplus capital excluding some management buffer to our shareholders. For example, if 2024 year-end CET1 ratio posted 13.5%, then 50 bp of capital, which exceeded…

Jae Kwan Kim

Management

Good afternoon. I am Kim Jae Kwan, CFO of KB Financial Group. Thank you very much for joining our third quarter 2024 earnings presentation. Before going to Q3 earnings, I will first run through the resolution made by the BOD today regarding the third quarter shareholder return. We're on Page 4. Based on industry's top capital strength and earnings capacity, KBFG is committed to a shareholder return policy with a view towards driving shareholder and corporate value enhancement. To pay out equal amount of dividend every quarter, we've done share buyback and cancellation driving quarterly DPS uptrend. As you can see from the value-up plan disclosed today, we will continue to enhance shareholder value underpinned by RoRWA-centric business management and through CET1-linked shareholder return policy. CET1 ratio, which is common equity Tier 1, is used for determining shareholder return and is expected to be 25 basis points increased Q-over-Q to 13.85% as of end of September. In Q, possibly due to FX rate movement, share buyback and seasonality weighing down on profit, CET1 ratio may slightly dip but we plan to keep it robust at above 13.5% during the year. And today, the BOD approved quarterly cash dividend of KRW 795 per share and additional share buyback and cancellation of KRW 100 billion. DPS, therefore, is KRW 795, marginally up Q-over-Q following the impact from KRW 400 billion of share buyback, which was announced during the first half of the year. And with KRW 100 billion of additional buyback and cancellation, our plan is to buy back and retire a total of KRW 820 billion this year, which represents industry's biggest buyback and cancellation yet again, a testament to the strong will of the BOD and the management placing foremost priority upon shareholder and corporate value enhancement. Two keywords that…

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] And we will take the first question from Samsung Securities, Jae-Woo Kim. Please go ahead.

Jae Woo Kim

Analyst

Thank you very much for good earnings this quarter as well as the announcement of the value-up plan. I have two questions for comparative purposes. The first question is that I would like to know what your RWA target is, if you were to compare to other developed markets like U.S. and Japan? When we think about the appropriate level of shareholder return, it would be around 50%. So under the ROE target and for you to achieve that 50% of shareholder return rate, I would think that the RWA growth should be kept under 5%. So I would like to know as to what your target RWA growth rate is, would like to understand how you will be able to manage and control the RWA growth rate within that level. Also what is do you think the maximum limit that you think you can actually go because I do not believe that 50% is the top sealing depending on different circumstances. If there is more improvement in the ROE and more changes in the RWA, I think that you may be able to pay out more than 50%. So what will be your, I guess, ultimate target when it comes to shareholder return?

Jae Kwan Kim

Management

Yes. This is CFO, Kim Jae Kwan. I will respond to your first question on the RWA target and the total shareholder return, TSR target. So why don't I talk about the second question first and then move on to the first question on RWA. As mentioned, during the announcement of the value-up plan, at the end of the year, if the CET -- the excess of CET1 ratio above 13% and what is in excess of 13.5% will be used for buyback and cancellation. So we do not set a TSR target separately. Now having said that, in order for us to further increase the TSR, we believe that managing the RWA growth rate is extremely important. So in order to achieve that, we are in the process of realigning the whole process within the group to be able to achieve and attain that target. Second thing I would like to emphasize is that we ask that you also pay attention to the increase in the size of the shareholder return rather than just the ratio of TSR. Next year, if you look at the total size that we will be returning back to the shareholders, we think that there is going to be meaningful increase. So following this year, we expect our net profit is going to continue to uptrend. So in terms of the ratio and on an absolute amount basis, we expect there will be some meaningful expansion. And also, we've been able to record industry's best level of TSR. So going forward, we are committed to maintaining our positioning as the company with the best TSR. Now moving on to your question on RWA. If you look at the growth of our assets, it will be at around the nominal GDP growth rate. So that is our target. For risk-weighted assets, if you look at our average growth rate over the past decade, it was at around 6.1%. Now going forward, we will be pushing that down to somewhere around 5%. So that basically is the growth rate that we are projecting for RWA. So when we actually set up our business plan, we are well in line with our value-up plan and our objectives are set according to the value-up philosophy as well as all the KPIs for the members of and the employees of the group. Their KPIs are set in alignment with the objectives of the value-up plan. So we are in good alignment.

Jae Woo Kim

Analyst

Thank you very much for the answer.

Operator

Operator

We will take the next question from Hanwha Investment Securities, Kim Do Ha. You are on the line.

Do-Ha Kim

Analyst

Thank you for the opportunity. Regarding your value-up disclosure, I have also questions, and thank you for the announcements. Well, looking at it at first glance, it seems that it's not a return ratio target, it's more of a CET1 capital amount that will decide. So I think RWA prediction will be quite important for RWA forecast. Regarding RoRWA, do you have any targets? And in the disclosure, I think you had targets for ROE, but I don't think for RoRWA. So if you can let us know if you have a target for that, it will be greatly appreciated. And looking at the value-up disclosure PDF, it says our principle for share buyback cancellation and cash dividends, and it says that you can continue share buyback and cancellation if there are good results. And for the dividend profit, it will be decided on the market conditions. So I agree with the philosophy, but I'm curious about where the balance is gearing toward. So regarding that, for cash dividend amount compared to the ROE amount, you mentioned that about KRW 300 billion. So you -- the DPS will go up even if you have the share buybacks and cancellation. So for this, adjusted weight, can you tell us more about the balance of how you will carry this out?

Jae Kwan Kim

Management

Thank you very much for the question. I am CFO, Jae Kwan Kim. And regarding the RoRWA target, you asked us questions. And of course, from next year's RoRWA, we will have targets that are set forth, although I cannot make that public at this time. And when we set up our business plan for our subsidiaries and for different businesses and different departments, we will have detailed RoRWA targets, and we will continue to monitor them going forward. In particular, regarding the RoRWA, there is actually linkage to management executive compensation. So we're going to expand that next year. And we are going to actually expand it to the sales because we think that it's going to be very important. So we are going to do our best to have our KPIs redesigned so that our value-up program will be actually communicated to our employees. And regarding cash dividends and share buyback and cancellation you asked us questions. And in principle, our PBR, until it's 1.0, we are going to expand the amount of our share buyback and cancellation. However, regarding the amount of our dividend, we are not going to leave it at KRW 1.2 trillion, but we're going to look at the dividend yield ratio and we're going to look at the market so that we're going to expand that according to the conditions. However, until PBR is 1x, regarding the amount of our dividends, it will gradually go up, but regarding the amount of share buyback and cancellation because it's continuously increasing, we believe the speed of DPS uplift will be accelerated.

Do-Ha Kim

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

From SK Securities, Seol Yong Jin. Please go ahead.

Yong-Jin Seol

Analyst

Thank you for taking my question. I would like to also ask you questions on value-up, Page 8. Anything in excess of 13% of CET1, you will use that resources to do dividend payout and also share buyback. And you have mentioned that anything above 13.5%, you will actually be doing the second half share buyback. So when you say second half, basically, the 13.5%, what is the timing or the baseline of the 13.5%, so that we could get more color on when that share buyback is going to happen in the second half?

Jae Kwan Kim

Management

This is the CFO. In our disclosure in the second half, just to clarify that, it's based upon the CET1 ratio as of the second quarter. If there are any special circumstances, we could base it off of third quarter number, but our target is to base the CET1 ratio as of the second quarter of the year.

Yong-Jin Seol

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

We will take the next question from Korea Investment Securities, Baek Doosan. You are on the line.

Doosan Baek

Analyst

Thank you very much for the opportunity. I'm Baek Doosan from KIS. Thank you for the value-up disclosure. And in order for this value-up to be sustainable, I believe that designing a compensation plan and execution will be very important. And I think this was briefly mentioned beforehand, regarding setting the KPIs, regarding RoRWA and for the management and for the employees, regarding the value-up program, what are the incentives that you're offering to them? And can you tell us about any changes or any directions that you can give us more color about?

Jae Kwan Kim

Management

I am Jae Kwan Kim, the CFO of the group. As aforementioned, we have already a lot of this reflected on the compensation for executives and management. However, the importance will be emphasized for next year. So accordingly, the proportion of this will be more reflected on the compensation plan for our executives. And this will not just remain at our executives or the offices, but we believe that sales will need to play a very great role. So we will do our best. So KPIs will reflect this going forward so that sales will also realize that this is a very important paradigm and move along with this and become more aligned. So we are working very hard to align our value-up program to everyone in our company.

Operator

Operator

Moving on to next question from Citi Securities of Miseon Lee. Please go ahead.

Miseon Lee

Analyst

I am Miseon from Citi. Thank you for great earnings. And thank you for taking my question. I have three questions. The first one, regarding the value-up program that you have announced, what is your competitive edge? What is the strength? And what do you think are some of the weaknesses or shortcomings that needs to be improved? And in order to improve ROE, you said that you will expand on shareholder return. Also, do you have any strategies and plans that could help you further improve on your top line and bottom line growth? And for this year and next year, what is your NIM outlook? And would like to understand what your assumptions are in terms of the rate cut, the extent of rate cut and the timing included.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Well, thank you. Just give us one moment as we prepare for the answer. Regarding the value-up program and how we differ from others is characterized by sustainability and predictability. When it comes to shareholder return, it is linked to CET1 ratio, which means that if our CET1 ratio is higher, our shareholder return will also expand. And also, throughout the year, because we are keeping to CET1 ratio of 13.5% in terms of asset quality, it also means that we will be able to maintain a steady asset quality. So with regards to this type of a value-up approach and this type of policy or plan can only be used for companies like us that have elevated or high levels of CET1 ratio. And also, as we've mentioned before, as we maintain our CET1 ratio at a high level, it's important that we push up the TSR ratio, total shareholder return. But in order for there to be meaningful growth in terms of absolute amount of return back to the shareholders, I believe that net profit growth is also another important lever. So last year, this year and also going forward, we expect the net profit growth trajectory will continue with the rate cut cycle. In terms of interest income, there may be some dip in the total interest income that we make, but as the interest rate comes down, this is going to have positive impact on the returns we get from capital market so we are expecting an increase in noninterest income. So for this year, there were ELS compensation cost related reserving, so that worked as a base effect. So going forward, we believe that because of this base effect, we could also see more pronounced improvement in net profit. And also, we've been very preemptive and proactive in provisioning, and that also is another factor that's going to contribute to further growth in net profit going forward. In terms of your question about NIM, I will turn it over to the CFO of KB Bank.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

I am [Hee Jong-Min], CFO of Bank. Basically, Q3 NIM for the bank was 1.71%, which was about 13 basis points down on a Q-o-Q basis. Now in the first half of the year, there was interest rate cut in the market and that had impacted on the margin. However, in the first half, we were able to defend the impact from the rate cut because we had a longer duration asset that worked to our benefit. And also in the second quarter, the accumulation savings, the maturities came for these types of products, and those account savings have been shifted to core deposit. And that helped us save on the funding cost, and we were able to defend the NIM decline. So as we entered into the third quarter, basically such reverse base effect had normalized, and there has been more heightened expectation on the rate cut. And we were able to see that on the lending rate, there was pricing in of the market rate changes quiet and it had actually sped up the overall repricing impact. And basically, on the asset side, the yield and the spread has gone down. So compared to other commercial banks, basically, we have relatively more long duration asset. And in a situation where the yield curve had reversed in Q3, the interest rate cut expectation that we were seeing in the third quarter was priced in for the longer-dated assets, so that had an impact on Q3 NIM. Now the yield curve reversal is becoming more normalized. And so we believe that the impact that it has on our -- the lending rate is going to be actually bigger. And also in terms of the household loans, we are, at this point, putting in a lot of efforts to make sure that we price these deposits appropriately. So in light of all of these factors, we believe that in Q4, the NIM will be controlled at a steady level. Next year, we believe the quarterly NIM is going to be quite similar to what we've seen this year. And going forward, we will focus our efforts on profitability as well as the capital efficiency so that we can continue to drive growth and improve our portfolio based off of low-cost deposit.

Miseon Lee

Analyst

Thank you very much for your answer

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Well, I think value-up disclosure was of great interest to the market. So I think there was a great focus on those areas. And we will take the next question from NH Securities, Jung Jun-Sup.

Jun-Sup Jung

Analyst

Thank you for the opportunity. I'm Jung Jun-Sup from NH Securities. Regarding the disclosure, thank you very much, and the explanation was very helpful. I also have one question related to the value-up program. And regarding your holder return, the amount and others, I think it is very closely linked to RWA. Compared to other companies, it seems that RWA, there is the market influence by the interest rate and FX rate that will play a role and effect. So regarding the external changes like cost p or others, there will be some sensitivity to CET1 or others. Do you have any numbers related to your projections or forecast? Thank you.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

I am [indiscernible] in charge of Group CRO, and RWA is related to risk. So let me answer that question. And regarding the sensitivity, for stocks, basically, we don't have a very big open position. So I don't think there is much impact from that. However, related to FX, I think we need to consider that because if there's KRW 10 fluctuation in the FX, then there is some impact on RWA. And it seems that it's not a very significant amount. But when the FX goes up and down by KRW 10, there is 1 bp effect. So it can go up, it can go down. So when we plus and minus, that is the extent of the influence.

Jae Kwan Kim

Management

I am the CFO of the group, Jae Kwan Kim. And let me just add a bit more going forward regarding our asset growth and RWA growth. We will try to actually have a smaller gap and lessen the gap is our goal so that we can have more efficient use of our capital. So we will have capital-light growth so that we can lessen the gap, and we're currently working toward that. And this year, as you may be aware, there was a sizable amount of ELS provisioning reversal in RWS -- RWA increase, but our CET1 was actually managed at a very high level. So I think this was partly because of our efforts to manage this very well.

Jun-Sup Jung

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

From JPMorgan, Jihyun Cho. Please go ahead.

Jihyun Cho

Analyst

Yes, thank you for taking my question. Since most of the questions were geared towards the value-up program, my question will refer to asset quality. This quarter, you briefly also mentioned there was a reversal from the PF provisioning. So I would like to understand when it comes to credit cost, what is the projection that you have. And if you look at the project financing market, restructuring is ongoing. Are there any other additional provisioning that we need to be mindful of? Can you provide us with an update on the current market situation and what impact it may possibly have? Especially on real estate trust products, are there any issues or concerns that we should be mindful of?

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Yes, I will respond to this question about provisions. Basically, we have been very conservative and preemptive in setting aside the provision. Last year, when it comes to real estate project financing, we had a very conservative and preemptive approach. So for this year around, we are now therefore seeing some reversals from the provisioning, and we expect there to be some reversals next year as well. However, this does not mean that there's any concern about asset quality is completely eliminated. But -- so we will continue on with our approach of conservative and preemptive provisioning. Now having said that, even if we maintain our conservative approach, because of what we have already done, CCR is currently capped at around 40 basis point. And next year, we believe that we will be able to maintain the CCR ratio at around that level. Since you've mentioned real estate PF, why don't I also add by saying that as our CFO has mentioned, in terms of asset quality, we've been conservative, and we've been preemptive and provisioning, recently with the rate cut, in the market, we are seeing that these problematic sites are currently up for auction, and they are going through resolution process, which means that the NPL is going down, and we see that some of the provisions, therefore, are being written back and reversed. Now for real estate trust, yes, we are seeing a new formation of -- or new provisioning that is required. But in Q1 and Q2, we had ample amount of provisioning that we set aside. And basically, in 2022, up until the early 2022, there were a lot of problematic sites. And so after that point in time, we do not expect any significant increases.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Well, I think a lot has been discussed already regarding your interest in the market, so if you have any further questions and if you did not get an opportunity to ask questions today, please contact our IR team, and we will be happy to answer your questions. We will wait just a little bit more to see if there are any further questions. It seems that there are no additional questions coming in. So let us conclude our Q&A session. We will conclude our earnings presentation. Thank you very much.