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Q2 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Dec 9, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Korn Ferry Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2016 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. We have also made available on Investor Relations section of our website at KornFerry.com a copy of the financial presentation that we will be reviewing with you today. Before I turn the call over to your host, Mr. Gary Burnison, let me first read a cautionary statement to investors. Certain statements made in the call today, such as those relating to future performance, plans and goals, constitute forward-looking statements within meaning of Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although the company believes the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on such statements. Actual results in future periods may differ materially from those currently expected or desired because of a number of risks and uncertainties which are beyond the Company's control. Additional information concerning such risks and uncertainties can be found in the release relating to this presentation, in the Company's annual report for fiscal year 2015 and in the other periodic reports filed by the Company with the SEC. Also, some of the comments today may reference non-GAAP financial measures, such as constant currency amounts, EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA. Additional information concerning these measures, including reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure, is contained in the financial presentation and earnings release related to this call, both of which are posted on the Company's website at www.KornFerry.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mr. Burnison. Please go ahead, Mr. Burnison.

Gary Burnison

Analyst

Okay, thank you, Karen, and good morning, everybody, and season’s greetings. Thanks for joining us. It's certainly a special time of year, and particularly when I'm able to announce that the organization achieved the strongest top-line results in our history. And last week, we announced the closing of the Hay Group combination, which is going to be a game-changer for the industry and for us. But first, to the quarterly results. Revenue was up about 16% on a constant currency basis. EPS came in at $0.51. The run rate EBITDA is almost $200 million. The margin was very strong at almost 16.5%. All business lines grew. Futurestep was the shining star, another record high. It was up 35% in constant currency year over year. North America Futurestep was up 42%, and the UK just knocked it out of the park. The UK was up 68% year over year. In the quarter, we secured one of our largest RPO engagements ever, a $30 million multi-year engagement with a big brand. The LTC business performed very well; it was up 16% constant currency. That includes the investment we made into a talented group of people called Pivot Leadership. They've integrated and joined the Firm and hit the ground running. On an organic basis, LTC was up about 6%. And again, 16% overall. It's amazing when I think back eight years ago, our LTC business was $20 million. $20 million. It was rounding to the overall business. And now, with Hay Group, which is our advisory business, that's going to be $800 million, 50% of the Firm. Search performed very well, was up 11% year over year. North America up 13%, Europe up 11%, Asia up 10%, all on constant currency. With Hay Group now, we're going to have even more expertise and…

Bob Rozek

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Gary, and good morning, everybody. My commentary today is going to be a little bit different. I'll talk about the Q2 results and Q3 guidance, but I'll also provide some additional commentary on the recently closed Hay Group transaction. In case you couldn't tell from Gary's comments, we are very excited to welcome Hay Group to the Korn Ferry family. And we really look forward to beginning the integration of our operations and improving the growth and earnings power of our combined business. In the second quarter, for the Korn Ferry legacy operations, demand remained strong. Our consolidated fee revenue in the second quarter improved to $280.6 million, which at constant currency, was up $41 million or 16% compared to the second quarter of last year. Sequentially, also at constant currency, our second-quarter fee revenue was up almost $17 million or 6%. Our growth was broad-based, with all of our operating segments growing in the second quarter on both a year-over-year and quarter-sequential basis at constant currency. Now, turning to new business for executive search, new business trends improved each month within the quarter, and actually peaked at a record high in October. Actual foreign exchange rates, our worldwide executive search new business was up 6% compared to the second quarter of fiscal year 2015. And the number of new assignments - that's on a unit basis - was up nearly 7%. In L&TC, new business awards in the second quarter at actual FX rates were down approximately 5% year over year. But on a constant currency basis, they were essentially flat. And finally, Futurestep achieved another record high for new business in the second quarter, with the total dollar amount of confirmed assignments up 67% year over year, up 2% sequentially. In the last two quarters combined,…

Gregg Kvochak

Analyst

Okay, thanks, Bob. Going to start with our Executive Recruitment segment. As Gary and Bob stated, global demand for our Executive Recruitment services remained strong in the second quarter. At actual foreign exchange rates, consolidated Executive Recruitment fee revenue in the second quarter was $156.5 million. That's up $7.6 million or 5.1% year over year, and up $4.4 million or 2.9% sequentially. Adjusting to constant currency, our consolidated Executive Recruitment fee revenue in the second quarter was up $16.7 million or 11.1% year over year, and up $6.3 million or 4.1% sequentially. On a regional basis, compared year over year at constant currency, strong growth in North America, which is up 13.3%; Europe, which was up 11.2%; and Asia-Pacific, which was up 9.9%; was offset by weakness in South America, which was down 7.2%. On a quarter-sequential basis, also at constant currency, North America grew 3%, Europe was up 2.1%, Asia-Pacific was up 13.4% and South America was up 3.5% in the second quarter. Compared to the second quarter a year ago, growth in our Executive Recruitment specialty practices was mixed. Positive results in our financial services practice, which was up 27%; our life sciences healthcare practice, which was up 14%; and our technology practice, which was up 15%; while our consumer goods and industrial practices were down 4% and 11%, respectively. Financial services accounted for approximately 21% of all of our Executive Recruitment fee revenue in the second quarter, which was up 300 basis points year over year, and flat sequentially. Sequentially, technology and consumer goods were each up 11%. Financial services was up 2%. Life sciences and healthcare was flat. And the industrial practice was down 2%. Consultant hiring continued in the second quarter. The total number of dedicated Executive Recruitment consultants worldwide at the end of the…

Bob Rozek

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Gregg. Before I go through the outlook though, I really want to touch upon a few highlights relating to our recently closed acquisition of the Hay Group. To refresh everyone's memory, the Hay Group is a business generating about $500 million in revenue, with an EBITDA margin on a run-rate basis of about 8%. With respect to the acquisition consideration, the total purchase price net of acquired cash was approximately $475 million. And remember, that's comprised of about $200 million of Korn Ferry stock, which equates to about 5.9 million shares, and approximately $275 million in cash. Now, for the cash consideration, we used approximately $71 million of our domestic cash, and we were actually able to deploy about $54 million of our foreign cash balances. And the remaining $150 million was funded with term debt under our credit facility. Now, with respect to the stock portion of the purchase price, a couple of points worth noting. The shares will be registered within one year of the closing of the transaction. There's a three-year lockup, with one-third of the shares issued becoming tradable on the first, second and third anniversary of the closing. And finally, Korn Ferry will have a right of first refusal on block sales of shares over 50,000 in a month, and that's approximately 1/6 of our average daily trading volume. Also, as we previously discussed, we established a retention bonus pool in the amount of $40 million in connection with the acquisition. Of that amount, Korn Ferry funded approximately $12.5 million of the pool, and the Hay Group funded the remaining $27.5 million through a reduction in purchase price. Now, the pool participants includes about 170 individuals, and the retention period is three years. Turning back to the credit facility, the $150 million of…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Tobey Sommer [Suntrust]. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Thank you. Bob, I had a question right off the bat about the cost synergies and charges in the next fiscal quarter and kind of the savings that will result in the next fiscal year. Is that a little bit higher and a little bit faster than had been discussed when the transaction was initially announced?

Gary Burnison

Analyst

Yes, that's absolutely correct, Tobey. Now that we've owned them for seven days and we've gone through prior to closing a lot of the integration activities and the thinking around it, we think we can get there quicker and we think the size of the initial prize is a little bit larger than what we talked about.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Can you remind me what that initial set of parameters were?

Gary Burnison

Analyst

Initially what we said, Tobey, was we would - we expect to get at least $20 million saves and we thought it would be a dollar for dollar cost. Now, we think there's more leverage there on the dollars that we invest. And again, we think it's going to be quicker.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Okay. Maybe switching to something longer term a little bit more strategic. Gary, now that the Hay LTC combination is going to be half of the business, what are the strategies that you have in place and the tools to try to stimulate the growth rate of that combined business and where do you think that can go over a medium to long term period of time?

Bob Rozek

Analyst

Well, I think, listen, I think that we need a new conversation on people and it is the world's most precious commodity and it's not a commodity. As a CEO in any industry, it will come down to two things, your customers and your people. There is not a globally branded advisory dealing with an organization and its people. So our intent is to change the conversation as it relates to people and bring to the market solutions and IP that can clearly make the difference between 10% growth and 8% growth to a CEO aboard in an organization. So we will do that by, number one, cohesive, unified go-to-market strategy. Obviously search gives us incredible access anywhere in the world. And now from org design to job design to rewards and benefits, we can cover just about any of the levers that a CEO or Board needs to motivate and inspire a workforce. So it's one, get the go-to-market strategy. It's two, build the firm on a solid foundation of intellectual property and innovation. Three, it's around continuing to make investments, looking both organically into the business on the technology side as well as acquisitions to continue to grow depth and scale into this business, and finally it's about making us a career destination for people who want to change the world. So that's kind of our path to growth here.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Thank you. And my last question, I'll get back in the queue, it relates to the hires that you've done internally, whether it's LTC or in executive search. What kind of productivity are you getting out of those new hires and maybe how much is left to go? Thank you.

Bob Rozek

Analyst

Well, I think there is plenty to go for sure. As you know, several months ago we invested pretty aggressively on both the - well, across - really across the entire business, but in particular what comes to mind is in the search area as well as the LTC area. I'll tell you that the search clearly, the results of the people that we brought in have had a big impact so far, and do I think that they're probably halfway ramped up on the search side? They're probably a little bit more than halfway ramped up, the new hires we've made. The Hay Group business now, we're combining the LTC, former LTC business, we're going to call it now Hay Group. We're going to report on - that's how we'll report it too, Hay Group. Those former LTC people that we brought in, I would say that they're probably only about 30% ramped up. We brought in about 50 or so of those, “consultant partner types” earlier this year.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Tim McHugh [William Blair]. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Tim McHugh

Analyst

Just want to follow up on the comment about getting to the synergies I guess faster and a little larger size. Can you elaborate what you found and I guess to some extent the speed with which you can get there, I think I thought some of it was kind of going to be about consolidating IT systems and things like that which I would assume would take some time, but just maybe a little bit more color on what's allowing you to get there in a faster and bigger way.

Gary Burnison

Analyst

Before Bob, who is clearly the expert here, I would just say that keep in mind that Hay Group is a premier brand that's been around for 70 plus years and in many of those years it was a private partnership. And so when you look at something, say financial systems, they were not able to leverage capital and leverage technology and the world has put itself out of business through technology and that's a really big lever that we can deploy. So just think about a Company that was privately held for a long period of time with really not a lot of access to capital.

Bob Rozek

Analyst

And Tim, in terms of the activities, as we've gone through and completed all of our planning, one of the things that drives us to get there a little quicker quite honestly is the need to comply with Sarbanes-Oxley. As we've gone through all of our planning activities, as Gary indicated, as a private Company, obviously didn't have to worry about compliance with SOX and now we do. As we look forward to the requirements to do that, it puts us on a bit of a quicker path than what we originally anticipated with respect to migrating the major operations from the Hay Group into our business processes and into our technology platform. We've got a very detailed plan that we're executing on as we speak that's going to migrate the top somewhere between 14 to 15 Hay Group locations, and that will capture probably 75% of the revenues and we're going to do that by May 1st. We've got a pretty aggressive timetable. I've got to tell you, I've got a great team that's all over the globe right now working hard to make that happen.

Gary Burnison

Analyst

Then the other thing I would just mention is I think that creating connectivity of people and clients in an environment of collaboration is incredibly important and although we live in a virtual world, I fundamentally believe that the people need, to the extent possible, need to be housed in the same location. So we also are going to push incredibly hard on the real estate side. I think it is paramount to unifying people. And so that will also create some cost savings, but obviously there will be a cost too to exit some of those locations. But the payback will be dramatic over the next decade.

Bob Rozek

Analyst

I'd say the other point I was going to make, the last touchy would touch on, Tim, is on the SG&A side. We've identified a couple of opportunities for early wins that will land quicker than what we had anticipated. I think the combination of those three areas as we continue to evolve our thinking and understanding of the organization draws us to the conclusion that we'll - the prize will be bigger than what we anticipated and the time frame is going to be faster.

Tim McHugh

Analyst

Okay. Great. Some more knity-gritty numbers. The adjusted EPS as you're framing it now, is it correct you're not - looks like you're not excluding intangibles, it's just the restructuring charges and kind of retention bonuses. Is that correct?

Bob Rozek

Analyst

That's right, Tim. If you go to the press release we've got a pretty detailed schedule that shows how we go from Korn/Ferry standalone to the adjusted numbers and then to the combined numbers.

Tim McHugh

Analyst

And do you have a view, updated you view, your view of the tax rate on a combined basis changed at all?

Bob Rozek

Analyst

I think in the short term as I indicated, we've got some costs that we're not going to be able to deduct. They'll flow through our P&L for GAAP purposes. For tax purposes we're required to put them into the basis. That's going to obviously drive our rate up in the short term. I also think we've got, as we get in and better understand the Hay Group entities, we've got some opportunities to do some structuring that will allow us to drive the rate down ultimately to something we'll problem I bring pick up a 2 to 300 basis point improvement. It's going to take a little bit of time because we've got some structuring activities that we need to do over time. But the important thing is, as I mentioned as well, to think about is the way that we've set ourselves up with international holding Company from a tax perspective, we still have the ability to repatriate that $200 million in cash as well. So that's something that we remain pretty excited about.

Tim McHugh

Analyst

Okay. And then just last, Futurestep obviously great performance and I get that contract wins particularly on the RP O side gives it a tailwind. The professional search side, what's the productivity like of this now? Seeing that level of growth that you've seen now for a while, I mean, are we running towards peak type of productivity levels with that staff? I guess basically how worried are you about sustaining that level of performance more on the professional search side?

Gary Burnison

Analyst

I'm not worried. I'm only worried about the economy. Again, I think that we've demonstrated that we've got incredible quality. We've combined IP with that Futurestep offering. It would be not a question of our capacity. The question would be around the economics.

Bob Rozek

Analyst

I agree with Gary 100%. The way burn has that business built right now, he's got service management centers that span the globe. He's actually introduced over the past year a very interesting concept in terms of bringing new talent into the Futurestep business, he calls it the talent p academy. They actually recruit and bring ins classes of new folks into the business on a regular basis, two, three times during the course of the year. So in terms of us building the capacity, again, as Gary indicated it's really not a concern at this point. Burn will flex up or flex down as the volumes go up and down.

Tim McHugh

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from Gary tong. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Pardon me. The next question is for George Tong. George Tong. Go ahead. And we'll move on to the next question from Mark Marcon [R.W. Baird]. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Good morning. Was wondering if you could just talk a little about some of the early reactions in terms of the thoughts that your core executive search consultants have about potentially cross-selling the Hay Group, how they think it might be different than the platform that previously existed and any sort of early feedback from clients.

Bob Rozek

Analyst

Well, first of all, we gave you early wins. That's the most important. The thing that I've been surprised about is the referrals of business from our combined Hay Group solution into search. So literally, Mark, I can point to a handful of not proposals, but actual wins. That's probably where the rubber hits the road. I think that if you think about where Korn/Ferry before Hay started in 1969, there's two things that we do religiously every day. We assess people and we do compensation. If you look at the fundamental strategy, we've grown from strengthening at one point was our core business. So the reaction from the search partners that we have, almost 500 of them, has been universally positive and it's positive pause because if you just think about what they do in their daily lives around assessing people and doing compensation.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Great. And then with regards to the general client discussion, I know you had some wins but have you heard a broad level of discussion or -

Bob Rozek

Analyst

I've gotten universal enthusiasm. That's the reaction that we've gotten. I think that clients will be very, very anxious and interested in how we can put this together to help them achieve growth. But Mark, it's been universally positive.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

And so how quickly do you think that level of enthusiasm turns into like a real acceleration with regards to their revenue growth trajectory?

Bob Rozek

Analyst

Well, listen, assuming that the economic conditions are what they are today, I would certainly hope that that happens in the first few quarters. That's why we're trying to push so hard on this synergy stuff to get it behind us. I just think my view is it's better to get this and get it done and get it over with. But our - so we're clearly pushing that hard but we're also very much oriented towards growth. We've assigned account teams for our top accounts around the world. We've segmented the client portfolio into three tiers. We've gone into the data and done a lot of analytics on which consultants have done business with which companies. We've connected those consultants. It's amazing. Hopefully we can do that sooner rather than later, Mark.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Thanks great. Can you talk about a little bit just on the core executive search side, the margin performance in North America was terrific. Can you talk about you how sustainable that is or what factors may have contributed to potentially stronger than sustainable margins?

Bob Rozek

Analyst

We had the luxury of attracting just some world class professionals earlier in the year. And that has played a big role, as has financial services. It's counterintuitive, but we've actually seen some pretty good activity around banking, around insurance and around capital markets. And the other area in the United States is healthcare and professional services. So those have all been incredibly strong. Now, we've had to fight energy. Energy has had a globally it's had about a negative $40 million impact on the top line for us, as you would imagine. But those other areas have more than offset that.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

And so do you think this - are we at a new margin level that's sustainable or…

Bob Rozek

Analyst

Well, you know, listen, this margin was several percentage points higher than what we've done in the past. I would tend to think that this is a little bit higher than what one should assume. But we'll have to see.

Gary Burnison

Analyst

I would say as we've talked in the past, we think kind of the long-term margin range for that business is the 20%, 25% range. I don't see any basis to move off that at this point. Obviously that's on a blended basis, so you give a little bit more juice in North America, but overall I think in the 20%, 25% range is rob probably a good place to stick at this point.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

In Europe you had nice acceleration. Can you talk a little about that?

Gary Burnison

Analyst

We did. Germany was very, very strong. UK was kind of single digit constant currency up. We also had some nice activity in the Netherlands, in Norway and Spain and Sweden. So it was - I think it was pretty steady. When you look at, say, France, that had single digit gains. So it was actually pretty balanced. Then even I'm sure when you talk about Asia, just continuing to go around the globe, that looked pretty good on a constant currency and particularly China, which again may be a little counterintuitive but both China and Australia we saw very good performances. Then the one that's challenged is South America.

Bob Rozek

Analyst

For obvious reasons.

Gary Burnison

Analyst

Yes.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

It sounds like globally ex clue SUV exclusive of energy, the overall tone, if this is correct, it sounds like things are getting - like your clients are feeling better generally speaking or not?

Gary Burnison

Analyst

I would say that there is a positive bias, Mark.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question from George Tong [Piper Jaffray]. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, this is Adrian on for George Tong. So I wanted to talk about Hay Group and talk about the cross-selling opportunity in North America with Hay Group having such small exposure in North America. Yes, George. Did you complete, that's the question? Well, I guess I wanted to see what your sense is, how quickly that could ramp, what the cross-selling opportunity is and…

Gary Burnison

Analyst

Well, I think that's the question and the answer. I completely agree with you. I think it's going to take longer now. This is not - the Hay Group business, 80% of it is outside the United States. And so if you just run the math and you were to assume that it would look like any other professional services firm, what you'd find is that 50% of the business should be in North America. So you can do the math and it would suggest that there is an opportunity of $200 million to $300 million. Now, I don't think it's realistic to say we're going to capture that in the next few - couple quarters. That's not going to happen. But I guarantee you that opportunity is there and we will seize it at some point.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. And on your compensation expenses, looks like as a percentage of revenue compensation expenses stepped down year over year. Can you talk about what trends you're seeing there and maybe if this is a sustainable level?

Gary Burnison

Analyst

I think if you go back and you look at our comp expense as a percentage of the revenue, it's actually stayed relatively consistent. We're in the 66%, 67%, 68% range. In any given quarter depending on revenue levels and so on you're going to see slight modifications to it. We've been pretty consistent. We manage our costs pretty tightly. I would expect it to stay within that range for the foreseeable future. And even with the Hay Group, if you look at their historical comp to revenue ratio, it's pretty much in line with where we are. So I don't see that transaction changing that dynamic on us.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And on a pricing trends, with the economy especially the North American economy doing quite a bit better, how are you seeing pricing trends evolving and where do you think they'll - what's your outlook on that?

Gary Burnison

Analyst

When you say pricing trends, you're talking about on our advisory business or broadly?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, for your executive search business.

Gary Burnison

Analyst

You know, we put out a - we've done an extensive amount of work on - obviously we have compensation data on 24,000 companies. So yesterday we put out our global forecast. We're expecting about a 2.8% rise in salaries next year. So that's probably what I would assume and our fees are on the search business would be calculated off that.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right. Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question from Kevin McVeigh [Macquarie]. Please go ahead.

Kevin McVeigh

Analyst

Great. Thanks. Thanks for all the detail. Hey, Bob, I wonder if you could give us just a sense on the cost synergies. What areas were you able to kind of - came in better than expected as it relates to Hay, just a way to bucket them.

Gary Burnison

Analyst

I would say we were able to get on the headcount side a little bit faster in terms of what we had early on identified. In terms of the broader buckets, I think to Gary's point on the real estate side he's pushing us and I think it's an absolutely the right thing to do, pushing us hard to go as quickly as we can to bring everybody together. We saw that when we did the PDI transaction. As folks sit next to each other, the synergies that you yield from the transaction happen much quicker. So we're moving faster on that. And I think on the SG&A side as I indicated earlier, we identified a couple of quick wins that we're going after relatively aggressively. So as a result of that we're seeing some of the savings coming faster than we initially anticipated.

Kevin McVeigh

Analyst

Got it. And then from a competitive perspective, more on the executive search side, there's been some sizable competitors that have gone away. Have you seen any change in terms of just pricing or just demand overall?

Gary Burnison

Analyst

No, no, we haven't. The competitive landscape, that's similar and Bob and Gregg talked about the new business trends which I think are steady with a positive bias.

Kevin McVeigh

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question from Tobey Sommer [Suntrust]. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Thank you. I just had a longer term question as a follow-up. When you look at the growth profile and the margin profile of the businesses going forward, particularly given the high level of profitability you've been able to achieve in the quarter and in recent quarters, do you think you have an opportunity to improve what you had previously conveyed as kind of long-term ranges? Thanks.

Gary Burnison

Analyst

I think Tobey, as we grow in scale, obviously there's going to be some leverage from it. When you look at the Hay Group business coming on board, us being able to get that to a 14% to 18% margin, obviously if you have half your business at that, that will change the dynamics of our margin profile and put some downward pressure on it. But I think as I look at the organization and where we were prior to Hay Group, we were - had a global footprint and our revenue levels were at a level where perhaps we weren't getting as much leverage as what we would like. But now with the Hay Group coming on board and us going above $1.6 billion, approaching $2 billion in revenue, we'll start to be able to leverage that. So I would think the combination of those two items offsetting each other would keep our margin - our overall margin profile pretty consistent with where we are today.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our last question is from Mark Marcon [R.W. Baird]. Please go ahead.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Just a follow-up on that, just to be clear. Calendar 2016 object justly. Do you think we get to that margin profile by 2017 in terms of Hay Group.

Gary Burnison

Analyst

Yes, without question.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Sounds like even by the end of calendar 2016 we should get there.

Gary Burnison

Analyst

Your question was calendar 2017. And for sure calendar 2017 and we're obviously pushing hard, Mark.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then what do you think of being the sustained growth rate on the Leadership & Talent Consulting side, assuming this kind of a normal plodding along kind of macro backdrop and to what extent do you think you have enough people to go out and sell the solution effectively?

Gary Burnison

Analyst

All the analytics and everything would tell you that that's - that it's around 5%. I've held out 10% as something we should aspire to. And so I think you're probably in that kind of range in this kind of environment.

Bob Rozek

Analyst

The only thing I would add to that, I think Gary's right and as you migrate up to the 10% level obviously that would include our continued deployment of capital back into the business and the acquisition of other assets that we could bring to market as well.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Great. And then any turnover at all in terms of the Hay folks?

Bob Rozek

Analyst

No, no. In fact, turnover for our firm over just not the quarter, the last several years, we've been blessed. We've been fortunate and we hope that continues.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Bob Rozek

Analyst

Okay. Listen, I want to tell everybody first merry Christmas and have a wonderful holiday. I'm confident in the year ahead that we're going to drive dramatic change in the organizations, clients that we serve and seize the opportunity to be the world's preeminent advisor for an organization and its people. Listen, happy holidays to everybody and thank you.