Greetings and welcome to the Kingstone Companies First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to introduce Karin Daly, Vice President, The Equity Group and Kingstone's Investor Relations representative. Karin. You may begin.

Thank you, Melissa, and good morning, everyone. Joining us on the call today will be President and Chief Executive Officer, Meryl Golden. On behalf of the company, I would like to note that this conference call may contain forward-looking statements, which involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to be materially different from projected results. Forward-looking statements speak only as of the date on which they are made, and Kingstone undertakes no obligation to update the information discussed. For more information, please refer to the section entitled Risk Factors in Part 1 Item 1A of the company's latest Form 10-K. Additionally, today's remarks may include references to non-GAAP measures. For a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to GAAP figures, please see the tables in the latest earnings release. With that, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Meryl Golden. Meryl?

Thanks, Karin. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining our call. I am delighted to share the results of our sixth consecutive quarter of profitability with 18% direct written premium growth overall, including 23% growth in our quarter and net income of $3.9 million or $0.27 per diluted share. As a Northeast writer, the first quarter is typically the least profitable quarter for the company and we were fortunate to have experienced another mild winter this quarter, which contributed to these terrific results. As always, I want to thank the great Kingstone team for their hard work and our Select producers for their commitment to the company. I'd like to start by providing more insight into the renewal rights transaction we announced a few weeks ago with AmGUARD, a subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway. You might recall that last year around the same time that the withdrawal of Adirondack and Mountain Valley from New York was announced. We mentioned that a third company had also announced their intention to withdraw from the admitted homeowners market nationally and had signed a renewal rights deal with foremost a farmer subsidiary. AmGUARD's withdraw plan was never approved by the New York regulator as foremost underwriting appetite in Downstate New York was too restrictive. This created the opportunity for Kingstone to replace foremost and execute a renewal rights agreement for the business in Downstate New York. AmGUARD's withdrawal plan with Kingstone as the replacement carrier has now been approved by the New York regulators and we expect to start quoting the business in late third quarter. This transaction gains us access to the data from AmGUARD across all agents that opt into the program providing several competitive advantages. First, we get to underwrite the business upfront to make sure that we're only quoting those risks…

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Bob Farnam with Janney Montgomery Scott. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, there. Good morning.

Hi, Bob.

I wanted to start off with the fire losses. Thanks for the details. So it sounds like the fire losses were 3.3 points higher than you had anticipated for a typical first quarter and that was offset by lower catastrophe loss by 3.5 points. Do I have that right?

Yes. And let me just tell you, we're really not concerned about these fire losses. So first of all, we're talking about a small handful that are more losses than we experienced in the average of the last three years and most of those fire losses were for policyholders insured in our legacy product. So if you remember, we stopped writing new business in the legacy product in the beginning of 2022. So these policyholders have been with us quarter after quarter and for many first quarters and we've never seen an uptick in fire frequency before. So it's clearly a random event. And we also looked at all those fire losses and there is nothing -- we wanted to see if there was something that stood out that was consistent, but they're across different geographies, cause of loss and producers. So it's really just a random uptick for the quarter.

Right. Okay. Good. And that was why since the cat losses and the fire losses offset each other that was why you didn't feel a need to update any combined ratio guidance even though cat losses were lighter than you expected? Is that…

Yes. That's exactly the reason.

Okay. And now that you paid down the expensive debt you have -- your opportunities for capital management have opened. Now, I understand you have a lot of growth coming on. So I can understand that's going to be the primary focus. But I just wanted to go over your capital management priorities where does dividend and share repurchases come into the mix as well and non-organic growth as well?

Yeah. So relative to the dividend and share repurchases, the Board actively discusses and considers the opportunities to return capital to shareholders all the time including restoring the dividend. So it's definitely something that is being discussed. And there's lots of opportunity to deploy our capital given our growth. So I don't envision any share buyback in the near future. We currently are pretty confident that we have adequate surplus, adequate capital to support our growth including the growth from the AmGUARD transaction.

Right. Okay. Regarding that transaction the AmGUARD transaction, I think I asked before, do you have any idea of the price differential between you and AmGUARD? As you look at these policies, are they going to be sticker shock as they get into the Kingstone pricing range?

So AmGUARD got out of homeowners for a reason. They weren't making money. So certainly our pricing is higher. It depends on the risk obviously. And so my understanding is AmGUARD is filing for a rate increase in New York. So I think that we'll close the gap somewhat, but we'll have to see. I mean that's one of the -- we have a lot of uncertainty around what this transaction will mean for the company. But I've taken that into consideration in the estimate of $25 million to $35 million over a 12-month period.

Right. Okay. And thanks for that guesstimate as well. And last question for me, any update on CFO search?

Yeah. So we're in the process. We have hired a retained search firm and we are actively in the interview process. I can assure you that Victor Brodsky, our Chief Accounting Officer who was our former CFO and myself we're covering the gap in the short-term. But we do look forward to adding another great person to our team in the near future. who was our former CFO and myself we're covering the gap in the short term. But we do look forward to adding another great person to our team in the near future. Q – Bob Farnam: Okay. Great. Thanks again.

Thanks, Bob.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gabriel McClure [ph] Private Investor. Please proceed with your question. Q – Unidentified Analyst: Good morning., Meryl.

Hi, Gabe. Q – Unidentified Analyst: Hi. So I had a couple of questions and I would like to at the risk of sounding like a broken record, also congratulate you on another great quarter.

Thank you. Q – Unidentified Analyst: Yes. So we had a nice jump in net investment income. It looks like, it's accelerating. And I was just going to see, if you could give me a little color on why that happened? And then maybe, how I should think about that number in the quarters throughout the year?

Sure. So the primary reason for the jump in our investment income, is that we're generating a lot of cash from the profitability of the insurance company, and we're putting that to work in our investment portfolio. So as our investment portfolio grows, our investment income will grow. And then as I mentioned, we're also moving duration a bit. We're moving up the curve to have -- take advantage of higher interest-bearing fixed income securities. So, that will also have a positive impact on the investment income over time. Q – Unidentified Analyst: Okay. Got it. Thanks. And then I had another one for you. There's a couple of famous insurance executives out there that like to talk about, their idea of value for their companies. They call it intrinsic value. And I was just wondering, do you -- I know you're pretty busy over there, but do you ever have time to think about the -- your own idea of the value of Kingstone intrinsic value versus maybe the market value or book value or whatever? And if so, could you share that with us?

So, I don't really have anything to share. I mean, we certainly think about the value of Kingstone relative to the stock price and what we can do to increase our value, but I don't really have anything to share with you, Gabe. Q – Unidentified Analyst: Okay. Very good. Thanks, again.

My pleasure.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jon Old with Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question. Q – Unidentified Analyst: HI, Meryl. Thanks again for everything. Great start to the 2025 year. So yes, Bob asked -- you answered a question about the CFO search. That was one of my questions. The other one was in the past, you've talked about possibly looking at other jurisdictions other states. Where do you stand with that process? Or do you sort of just stay focused on New York, at the current time?

Sure. So our 2025, strategy is to continue to focus on downstate New York, and the hard market here and maximize our profitable growth and make sure that we are successfully executing on this AmGUARD transaction. But as I've mentioned in the past, this is a great time for Kingstone to be looking at other geographies, because we have a product that properly matches rate of risk, great team, we're nimble, we're efficient. And there's a lot of states around the country that have a market need for more capacity. So it's a hard market in homeowners nationally. So, listen I do want to -- I know there are some investors that are super concerned about Kingstone expanding, given our history. And I want to assure you, we are not the same company we were in 2017. And we know, what the mistakes made were in the past. And the primary mistake was that our product did not properly match rate to risk. And therefore, we were adversely selected again. So we have a lot of confidence in our product. We're going to be slow and thoughtful and do it right this time. And as we make final decisions, I will certainly inform you it's a 2026 and beyond strategy for the company. So, no impact this calendar year. Q – Unidentified Analyst: Got it. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

My pleasure.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no other questions in the queue. I'll turn the floor back to Ms. Golden for any final comments.

Great. Well, thanks for joining the call today and we appreciate your continued support. Have a great day.

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.