Jeff Clarke
Analyst · Peter Rabover with Artko Capital. Your line is open. Please go ahead
Yes. So, no, we are not providing guidance on those, but I will give you a ballpark. So, relative to eApeiron -- sometimes e-appearin, so as I had to get there and a lot of people struggle with our name -- it is, again, a partnership between Alibaba and Kodak that is strategic at many levels. The first implementation of that is around security printing. We also have a research partnership, a brand licensing partnership, and a distribution partnership that we are prosecuting. As you know, Alibaba is a very strong company with great footprint and we're very pleased with that opportunity. So, that is -- in that case, that will -- that started out with $6 million of cash coming into our company, of which we used to repay debt. And going forward, as that business builds, we see other opportunities. I'm not going to quantify it, at this point, because it's early. But a partnership between Kodak and as big a company as Alibaba, with that many different initiatives, can be a significant opportunity. The second partnership that you didn't mention, but I will, is the one with Carbon, sometimes known as Carbon3D. They are one of the leading companies in 3D printing. And with them, we have a strategic relationship and a supply relationship with them where we research products for them, and then we build materials and chemicals for them. And I won't go into the details of that. But that -- as Carbon grows -- Carbon today has very small revenues, but a significant valuation in the private markets and significant momentum in the space, we will be one of their closest scientific and partners. This is a bit of a Kodak inside strategy in 3D printing. And then we talked about the cameras. So, you may have seen, this fall, we came out with a phone that has a -- one of the best camera. That's a brand licensing opportunity. So this is one where there's no investment from Kodak, very minimal investment with ad -- and as such, we get a royalty when those phones are sold. And so, it depends how many phones are sold, but it could be meaningful if this becomes -- it gets even a small portion of the very large market for smartphones. And in terms of Super 8 camera, we view that as an opportunity to continue to sell film into small -- into schools, and to develop a new set of filmmakers. Again, it's a modest investment. And it's one that -- when we come out with the camera next year, we expect to make money on the camera and obviously have annuities as well on the film. So again, these are relatively small now. But they leverage our brand; they don't take a lot of capital and they are pretty much all upside.