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Koppers Holdings Inc. (KOP)

Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Fri, May 9, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Koppers First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call and webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Quynh McGuire. Please go ahead.

Quynh McGuire

Analyst

Thanks, and good morning. I'm Quynh McGuire, Vice President of Investor Relations. Welcome to our first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. We issued our press release earlier today. You may access it via our website at www.koppers.com. As indicated in our announcement, we've also posted materials to the Investor Relations page of our website that will be referenced in today's call. Consistent with our practice in prior quarterly conference calls, this is being broadcast live on our website, and a recording of this call will be available on our website for replay through August 9, 2025. At this time, I would like to direct your attention to our forward-looking disclosure statement seen on Slide 2. Certain comments made on this conference call may be characterized as forward-looking statements as defined under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements involve a number of assumptions, risks and uncertainties, including risks described in the cautionary statement included in our press release and in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In light of the significant uncertainties inherent in the forward-looking statements included in the Company's comments, you should not regard the inclusion of such information as a representation that its objectives, plans and projected results will be achieved. The Company's actual results, performance or achievements may differ materially from those expressed in or implied by such forward-looking statements. The Company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during this call. Also, references may be made today to certain non-GAAP financial measures. The press release, which is available on our website, also contains reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Joining me for our call today are Leroy Ball, Chief Executive Officer of Koppers; and Jimmi Sue Smith, Chief Financial Officer. At this time, I'll turn the discussion over to Leroy.

Leroy Ball

Analyst

Thank you, Quynh. Good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to report that despite a decrease in sales in the first quarter, we delivered solid profitability on an adjusted basis. Now as previously announced, we began taking steps in late 2024 to combat some market share loss and lingering softness in some of our end markets by resizing our employee base and improving our cost structure in anticipation of the challenges we knew were coming in 2025. Unsurprisingly, our first quarter results benefited from these actions and enabled us to offset the transitory headwinds. Through Q1, our global employee base has been reduced by 5% and our SG&A finished the quarter $4.1 million lower than Q1 2024. We're also realizing cost benefits at the plant level that also helped Q1. And we'll continue to focus on improving our business performance and margins through actions we're developing from the initial performance assessment we've recently completed and we'll share more with you as plans get finalized and implemented. Slide 4 highlights key metrics for the first quarter. We achieved consolidated sales of $456.5 million compared with $497.6 million in the prior year. First quarter adjusted EBITDA was $55.5 million compared to $51.5 million in the prior year quarter. Our overall adjusted EBITDA margin was 12.2%, which compared favorably with 10.3% in the prior year quarter and represented our strongest Q1 margin since 2021. First quarter diluted loss per share was $0.68 compared with diluted earnings per share of $0.59 in the prior year quarter, driven by restructuring charges and a loss recorded from terminating the bulk of our U.S. defined benefit pension plan. Adjusted earnings per share for the quarter were $0.71 compared with $0.62 in the prior year quarter primarily due to benefits realized from cost actions. Cash flow used in operations in…

Jimmi Sue Smith

Analyst

Thanks, Leroy. Earlier today, we issued a press release detailing our first quarter 2025 results. My comments, this morning, are based on that information. As seen on Slide 13, we had consolidated first quarter sales of $457 million, a decrease of $41 million or 8% from the prior year quarter. By segment, RUPS sales increased by $10 million or 4% compared with the prior year, while PC sales were lower by $29 million or 19.5% and CM&C sales decreased by $22 million or 18%. On Slide 14, adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter was $56 million with a 12.2% margin. By segment, RUPS generated adjusted EBITDA of $26 million with an 11% margin. PC delivered adjusted EBITDA of $20 million and a 17% margin, while CM&C reported adjusted EBITDA of $10 million with a 10% margin. On Slide 15, our RUPS business generated first quarter sales of $235 million compared with $225 million in the prior year. The sales increase was primarily due to higher volumes of Class I crossties, $4.6 million of price increases and a 9% increase in domestic pole volume, driven by the Brown Wood acquisition and higher activity in the railroad bridge services business, partly offset by lower volumes of commercial crossties. Market prices for untreated crossties remained stable. Year-over-year, first quarter crosstie procurement was down 19% with crosstie treatment lower by 3%. RUPS also delivered adjusted EBITDA of $26 million compared with $18 million in the prior year. Profitability improved primarily due to increases in net sales volume and prices along with a $2.2 million lower operating expenses primarily in our cross-sell business, partly offset by $2.5 million of higher raw material and allocated SG&A expenses. On Slide 16, our Performance Chemicals business reported first quarter sales of $121 million compared to $150 million in…

Leroy Ball

Analyst

Thank you, Sue. Now on to a quick review of each of the businesses. As seen on Page 24, our Performance Chemicals business finds itself in a challenging spot that it hasn't experienced in a few years, as we've seen some residential preservative volume move away from Koppers after many consecutive years of market share gains. To compound matters, after a solid start to the year, demand seemed to lose steam as the quarter progressed, partly due to a colder winter throughout the country and partly we believe the broader economic uncertainty stifling individuals' decisions to spend discretionary dollars on outdoor projects. Now nothing in the external data gets us really excited that spending on home projects will turn around soon. The continued backdrop of economic uncertainty driven by tariff activity and the direct and unintended consequences remain a concern that could continue to weigh on near-term demand, and we're hearing mixed messages from our customer base in regards to their optimism for volume improvement this year. And we've enacted several tariff mitigation actions that have reduced the overall exposure from our cross border transactions across all our business segments. As a result, at this point, we feel the situation is manageable, but as we know, it remains fluid. On the cost front, we've paired back spending quite a bit and realigned cost to better fit a smaller top-line in the near future and will continue to be aggressive in order to combat any potential market slowdown. Moving on to our Utility and Industrial Products business shown on Page 25. Demand in the early part of this year has been similar to 2024 levels, which was a softer year compared to '23. While the second quarter isn't expected to look a whole lot than the first, we continue to hear…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today is from Liam Burke with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead.

Liam Burke

Analyst

Leroy, on the RUPS business, you saw double-digits EBITDA margins. You highlighted some of the reasons why you're driving good year-over-year profitability results. Expectations for the rest of the year are better. I was just curious how much does the utility pulp product mix help your margins going forward?

Leroy Ball

Analyst

It's a good question, Liam. I mean, the utility piece of the business, utility pulp piece of the business is one that structurally -- has historically generated better margin performance. So, as we continue to grow that business, we would expect that to have a positive impact on our margins for that segment. At the same time, in the rail piece of that business, again, we are active -- we have been actively working on a number of things both commercially as well as on the cost side that are already starting to bear fruit and had a pretty good impact here in the first quarter and we expect that to continue as well. So, we're seeing improving margins in the rail piece. And certainly, as we continue to grow utility, as that proportion becomes a bigger piece of that segment, we would expect to see margin improvement as well.

Liam Burke

Analyst

Okay. And just staying on RUPS, your contracts with the Class Is, are you satisfied with all of them or do you still have work to do there?

Leroy Ball

Analyst

Look, I think there is certainly still work to do there and things that we would like to see improved. So, it remains a work in progress. But we're in a better spot than we were, Liam, but I'd say, there's still some more work to do.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Gary Prestopino with Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Couple of questions here, Leroy, and I'm going to refer to the state of the business and looking at the RUPS utility and Industrial Products. I mean, you're saying a pickup in the second half of the year, which you're also saying for the RUPS business. Is that based on business quotes that you have in hand from your end customers? Or is there something going on there that is going to drive that growth that you're expecting, I guess, is what I want to get at?

Leroy Ball

Analyst

Yes. I understand. I think, look, a lot of it is related to feedback from the market. And so, like, any of our businesses, we are somewhat subject to what we're hearing from our customer base. But there has continued to be a common refrain of the back half of this year, seeing an expected volume pickup and moving forward of projects. As I mentioned, I do have some worries about that just in terms of the overall economic uncertainty that's out there, but that's one of the bigger drivers. We are seeing some improvement in increased activity in some of the newer markets that we've been going after. So, I'd say, a combination of those two things is really what we're relying upon.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Okay. A lot of the companies that we're speaking to and on the conference calls, they basically had said that starting in March things just fell off a cliff, once Liberation Day came and became clear what the tariff impacts could be. And then after that there was a lessening and they're starting to see a reinvigoration on their pipelines. Were your customers really impacted by this as well?

Leroy Ball

Analyst

I think that's really consistent I'd say with more or less what we've seen, and I kind of refer to that particularly in the PC business, where we seem to begin the year on a stronger note, and then sort of saw that wane as the quarter went on. I would say in the other two segments, it's been a little more consistent throughout the quarter. I think I don't know of industry that's not experiencing some impact from the tariffs and the constant-changing and moving of the ball there. So, some of it comes directly, some of it comes in the form of some unintended consequences that you end up having to deal with. And again, I sort of mentioned the one on the RUPS side, where our sawmill suppliers are having to deal with export volume that's drying up, which will ultimately end up having an impact on hardwood prices for crossties, that they more or less produce as a byproduct of their regular production. So, those are the things that we are still going to have to see how they fare it out, as time moves on. But overall, as we've assessed the current situation, there are several mitigation plans that we've already put in place for the things that are actually happening. And obviously, we're planning and doing some actions to try and get in front of other potential changes that could occur. But, it's very tough, right, because again things seem to change. Lately, it seems to be a little bit more settled down, but certainly for a period, things were changing day-by-day. So, the unintended consequences that tend to jump up and get you. And, right now, like I said, the one that is near-term on the radar is what's going on in the hardwood market.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Yes. I don't envy you having to try to run a business in this environment.

Leroy Ball

Analyst

Yes. It's not easy.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Yes. And then I just wanted to drill back down to your forecast here, $2 billion to $2.2 billion of sales, which is I think you were at $2.17 billion on your prior forecast.

Leroy Ball

Analyst

Yes.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

But you really didn't give us -- you really didn't change your adjusted EBITDA guidance. You're still at $280 million. So, I guess what I want to ask you is, if you're trending more towards the low end of that guidance range on sales, do you have additional flex down on costs that would help you get to that two eighty EBITDA?

Leroy Ball

Analyst

We do. We're actively going after a number of different cost measures there. Yes, obviously the closer it gets down to the two, the tougher that will be and the tougher it will make it. But we do have a number of items that again are already in process and some of that you saw reflected in the first quarter. And we expect that to continue moving forward. So, yes, like you would expect, the closer it gets to the lower end of that range, the more challenging it will be to reach the number. And the closer it ends to the higher end of that range, I'd say, we have pretty good room. But that's not going to stop us from continuing to try and drive the performance improvement through the various businesses.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from David Marsh with Singular Research. Please go ahead.

David Marsh

Analyst

I have to say that, the EBITDA result in the CMC business in light of the revenue is really pretty impressive, and it really speaks to the efforts you guys undertook to cut costs. Could you talk about to the extent that you see recovery there, what the kind of incremental revenue dollar looks like on the EBITDA line?

Leroy Ball

Analyst

Yes. That's been a challenge to business certainly in the past couple of years, as we've talked about. And I even referenced in my prepared comments how the industry really is at a point, and it's been at a point for a while, where it does need some further rationalization. We feel like, we did our part back in the 2015 to 2020 timeframe, where we took a bunch of capacity out of the industry. We feel that, it's past time for some others probably to consider doing the same. But as end markets get stronger and pricing improves, obviously that will work its way down to the bottom-line. In terms of volumes, certainly throughput is an issue as well. And while overall we did pretty well in Q1 from a volume standpoint, we've taken a hit on volumes in the past year to 18 months as again things have gotten more challenging. But there's no question if we can see the health of our end markets improve, which will enable us to get more throughput through the plant. We are going to be able to improve efficiency, drive down our unit costs and improve profitability. So, all that is absolutely connected. At the same time, simplifying our operations, as we're in the process of doing at Stickney and trying to make that operation very similar to our other two, the one in Australia and the one in Denmark. I think the more that we can drive improved margins through that business. So, we've seen that business before at its peak being in the high teens in terms of margins. There's no reason we can't get back to that point in a healthy environment, especially with some of the actions we're taking out to simplify our operating footprint.

David Marsh

Analyst

I appreciate that. It's helpful. Your debt did tick up a little bit year-over-year. Would you talk about priority uses of cash flow and how managing your leverage factors into that please?

Leroy Ball

Analyst

Yes. So actually, I think the first quarter, I was pleased with where we ended up in the first quarter, considering we had the pension termination and put $14 million in to do that. Taking that out, we actually had better cash flow, operating cash flow -- lower and negative operating cash flow with that out of the picture. We have that behind us. So even though our contributions have been lower in the past few years, we now have that and any potential volatility from that behind us. First quarter is always a working capital draw. So absolutely that had an impact as well. We are still expecting a pretty strong cash flow year and the near-term focus is in two areas. As we continue to remain undervalued, certainly, we will allocate cash to repurchase shares. So, the reason why we enacted the $100 million share repurchase program last quarter. And of course, we will put the remainder towards delevering the balance sheet. So, those are the two primary focuses in the near-term as it relates to cash.

David Marsh

Analyst

Yes, that's fair. And then just, as we have this little bit of economic uncertainty here, are you seeing any disruption that might lead to some attractive M&A opportunities for you?

Leroy Ball

Analyst

I mean, potentially, because as you point out, yes, but it's times in this sort of disruption where those sorts of opportunities do tend to surface. We always remain active in our conversations and looking at opportunities. And it takes two parties obviously and a meeting of the minds in terms of what fair value is. So that always tends to be the toughest point. But we continue to remain active in our discussions and maybe this current environment will shake some things out, but we'll just have to wait and see.

David Marsh

Analyst

Okay. Is there -- I mean, would you be most interested in looking at potential targets in the RUPS business or all businesses really?

Leroy Ball

Analyst

Yes. Definitely not. I'd say, certainly our focus is we have been talking about now for several quarters is on growing our utility and industrial products business. So, if there is ways to do that faster with acquisitions that make sense, we'll look to do that. The acquisition of Brown Wood Preserving was an important acquisition for us here a year ago and it's opened up opportunities for us to expand our product portfolio, expand our geographic reach and we're going to see significant returns from that, as the overall market improves. If we have other sorts of opportunities that will help us to get into markets faster and those sorts of things, we would absolutely entertain that. I don't think we -- I wouldn't say we have a broad M&A strategy as it relates to across the business segments. But again, we will always remain open to opportunities. And so, there is no absolute no’s in any particular area. It will come down to what makes sense at what price.

Operator

Operator

And the last question today comes from Jamie Wilen with Wilen Management. Please go ahead.

Jamie Wilen

Analyst

Yes, I think it's truly amazing that you're able to take $4 million year-over-year out of SG&A. I think it's fantastic to have that reduction. Given the new cost structure and a strong outlook looking forward and the stock trading at 5x to 6x, would you expect an EBITDA this year? I know that stock repurchase is part of the program, but why would you not at this point in time accelerate what you're doing and buy back stock in greater quantities today, while you do have an unusually depressed share price?

Leroy Ball

Analyst

We don't speak specifically about any intentions that we have in any particular quarter. We did repurchase 15 million shares in our open window period in the first quarter from the new plan. We do have limitations within our credit agreements in terms of what we're able to do on an annual basis. So, we try to manage that. But I share your interest in taking advantage of the opportunity, when we're in the position that we're in. And I think we stated that, actually when we announced the share repurchase plan that, as long as we view our future or certainly at least our near-term operating performance is being improved over prior periods and we remain at historic low trading multiples that we are going to use that lever. And so, we didn't enact -- we didn't approve the share repurchase program to have it sit on the shelf. And so, we will continue to monitor the situation and I think be consistent in our approach to repurchasing shares as the year goes on.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to CEO, Leroy Ball, for any closing remarks.

Leroy Ball

Analyst

Yes. I would just like to thank everybody for your continued interest in Koppers, and we will continue working on improving the results of the overall business. We really do believe we have a bright future ahead of us, not just this year, but beyond that in terms of free cash flow performance, operating performance, and we're looking forward to executing. So, look forward to talking to everybody again in August. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.