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Kopin Corporation (KOPN)

Q2 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 8, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to Kopin Second Quarter 2019 Earnings’ Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host Rich Sneider, Chief Financial Officer.

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us this morning. John will begin today’s call with a discussion of our strategy, technology and market. I will go through the second quarter results at a high level. John will conclude our prepared remarks and then we’ll be happy to take your questions. I would like to remind everyone that during today’s call, taking place on Thursday, August 8, 2019, we will be making forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on the company’s current expectations, projections, beliefs and estimates and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to materially differ from those forward-looking statements. Potential risks include, but are not limited to, demand for our products, operating results of our subsidiaries, market conditions and other factors discussed in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and other documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company undertakes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements made during today’s call. And with that, I’ll turn the call over to John.

John Fan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

Thank you, Richard. Good morning. I would like to begin by giving you a brief summary of the strategic and incorporation changes we have undertaken and because the importance of this move, we will then expand on each of the topics. Over the past months, the management team working closely with our Board of Directors have taken a very thoughtful approach in analyzing and evaluating every aspect of our business. We waited the technology expertise, section leadership and competitive landscape as well as the maturity of the relevant AR and VR market. Our analysis confirmed that Kopin’s greatest assets is our ability to develop innovative technology with the superior engineering capabilities to turn innovations into a high quality component product. We have used this innovation and engineering skill over the past few years in developing advanced concept wearable systems for both enterprise and customer markets. Leveraging this concept systems, we will uniquely position to understand the needs of the market. This have led to the development of industry leading microdisplay such as our product which now included recently in the new Google Glass. Our technology also helped accelerate the growth of enterprise market which we believe is now the fastest growing application for AR. Much of this momentum have come through RealWear in early Kopin customer which has recognized as one of the leaders in the emerging markets. In fact, Kopin’s early generation Golden-I technology was key to RealWear’s position. As we license Golden-I technology to RealWear for our equity positioned in ongoing royalty stream as well as full component sales. This model worked so well that we have now looked for through rapid changes. One of the strategic steps we’ve taken this quarter is to reserve our goal to repeat our success with RealWear along with reducing our cost…

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

Thank you, John. For the quarter total revenues for the second quarter of 2019 were $9.1 million compared with $5.9 million for the second quarter of 2018. In the second quarter 2019 we licensed our Golden-I Infinity IP to RealWear for $3.5 million. Early in the agreement, we will receive future royalties based on sales and products and we will sell them display components. Cost of goods sold for the second quarter 2019 was $5.2 million or 118% of product revenues compared with $3.5 million or 78% for the first quarter last year. Included in cost of product revenues for 2019, is a $1.2 million write-off of excess inventory. R&D expenses in the second quarter of 2019 were $3.3 million compared to $4.5 million in the second quarter of 2018 reflecting some of the expense reduction John previously discussed. SG&A expenses were $5.4 million in the second quarter of 2019 compared to $6.9 million in the second quarter of 2018. SG&A decreased with three months ended 2019 as compared to three months ended June, 2018 primarily due to a decrease in compensation expenses including stock-based compensation, amortization of intangible assets, marketing expenses including product promotion and the accretion of [indiscernible] earn-out all which were partially offset by an increase in legal expense. As mentioned in our press release, we made certain expense reductions and anticipate further reductions, if we can’t complete the Solos transaction. To give you a sense of the amount of direct Solos, Whisper and Golden-I Infinity expenses included in the six months period ended June 29 and the fiscal year ended December 29, 2018 were approximately $4.4 million and $9 million respectively. Other income expenses approximately $627,000 for the second quarter of 2019 compared with an expense of approximately $52,000 of second quarter, 2018. During the three months ended June 29, 2019 and June 30, 2018 we recorded $200,000 of foreign currency losses. In the second quarter of 2019 we recorded a gain on our RealWear investment of $768,000. Turning to the bottom line, our net loss attributable to controlling interest for the quarter was approximately $4.3 million or $0.05 per share compared with the net loss of $9.2 million or $0.13 per share in the second quarter of 2018. Second quarter amounts to depreciation of stock compensation expense are attached in the table to the Q2 press release. The amounts we discussed above are based on current estimates and this should review our Form 10-Q for the second quarter of 2019 for any possible additional disclosures and with that, we’ll take questions, operator.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] our first question comes from the line of Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

Thanks for taking my question. Lot going on obviously for you guys in the quarter. Curious we haven’t heard much, there hasn’t been a lot of publicity from Google on the Glass 2. Maybe you can give us some feedback on how you guys think it’s doing in the marketplace and I think last quarter you said, that you received an order from Google Glass and then you thought another would be forthcoming relatively shortly so perhaps you can update us on whether or not, that came through or if you still expect it in the short run.

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

So, Glenn, you really have to talk to Google about their perception of the success product to market, we don’t really talk about our customers individual products and we continue to ship to Google.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

Okay, thanks. Question on this deal with RealWear on the Infinity product. As far as, how long to market before they release a product there and just far as getting display revenue in royalty - is there lot of development still on their side or is there something else will turn over frequently.

John Fan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

The question about Golden-I Infinity now of course the transaction with product depends how the RealWear schedule, of course we see a lot of activities on their part and we’re seeing growing requirements on them now, with their overall products are, so.

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

But I think you’d have to talk to RealWear directly for their product launch. I think they put out a press release shortly after we did.

John Fan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

Yes, I think there was. Again, this is really a situation that below with them, yes.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

And then last for me, it’s just as far as like what your guidance was prior as far as the growth in unit volume and things like that, where Golden-I Infinity and Solos is part of that calculation and if so or not and can you give us some sort of feedback on how you’re feeling about that former guidance as far as unit growth this year?

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

Well we think overall this year we’ll grow about 60% unit volume based on current estimates. The better part $6 million growth is very good and on top of that, it’s been more favorable. The sales that we were making are to more what we call value added customers as opposed to straight display sales, so the mix has been very favorable along with the good growth.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

Okay, thanks. I’ll jump back in the queue.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Matthew Galinko

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

[Indiscernible] OLED development contract, can you say whether those are military or enterprise or they are or if you can’t talk about that. Maybe it might be similar timeline to military program.

John Fan

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

I think I answered the question on the OLED contract we have, with two companies. Are they military related or they are commercial related, is that the question?

Matthew Galinko

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Yes.

John Fan

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

These two programs are commercial related.

Matthew Galinko

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Okay and do you have a sense of what the timeline is on the development, is that a multi-year kind of set up or is it something that might be that you would complete your work on it in the next by year end, let’s say.

John Fan

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

The anticipation is that we’ll be finishing up by year end and early next year.

Matthew Galinko

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Got it. All right and just a couple.

John Fan

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

It is for product in mind, it is for product in mind.

Matthew Galinko

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Got it. I mean is there a lot of heavy lifting that you need to do to sort of get the product in shape for those products or are you pretty much there technically.

John Fan

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Yes, we have been engaging that contract about a year now. It will be the most advanced display for both AR and VR.

Matthew Galinko

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Got it. Okay. I guess I just have another way, is there anything dependent on you to get that out the door or is it purely the customer’s timeline at this point to start shipping units.

John Fan

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Its multiple equations there, but again we feel this display was market need at this point, not just [indiscernible] customer maybe many customers too.

Matthew Galinko

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Got it, all right and just a quick clean up on the map here. Did you say you had an inventory write-off in Q2, did I hear that correctly?

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Yes, $1.2 million.

Matthew Galinko

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Okay excellent and then you also had realized gain on RealWear this quarter as well.

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

That’s correct, $768,000.

Matthew Galinko

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Okay and then last one from me before I jump back in the queue. So, you talked about 30% reduction taking sort of everything into account. Can you kind of share - is that hurting from kind of 2018 OpEx number or what should will be framing that again?

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Well I’ll try to give you some direction. I mean it’s very hard to predict what future savings would have been since their costs never were incurred. So that’s why if I give you the $9 million for last year just to give you a sense of magnitude.

Matthew Galinko

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Right, but I think you also executed some - or excuse me some sort of four [indiscernible] so I mean like so for the all in number. I’m just trying to get a sense of if we take kind of Q2 OpEx number, what will that look like in Q4.

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

So, the $9 million is direct program cost and I don’t have an estimate that I could reasonably give you that. Obviously certain overhead cost from the corporate are going to go down to insurance cost and all that, certain fringe benefits will go down. There was a lot of subjectivity in using - and coming up with that type of number and so I just, we went with the hard cost. So, we expect additional savings in addition to the $9 million, but I honestly couldn’t come up with the number that I thought was possible for lack of better term.

Matthew Galinko

Analyst · Matthew Galinko with National Securities. Please proceed with your question

Fair enough. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] our next question comes from the line of Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

My first question will be, what percent of RealWear does Kopin own post the $2.5 million investment?

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Less than 10%.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Less than 10%, okay. And what is the royalty rate you get from RealWear per device?

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

We couldn’t disclose that. We obviously we negotiate with our customer, so we would never disclose that rate.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And is the licensing deal with Golden-I Infinity exclusive or is it open to license to others?

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

So, for certain field it’s exclusive.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Exclusive. Okay. So, I guess the goal here is to get RealWear as profitable as best as possible and maybe IPO it as quick as possible.

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

You’ll have to talk to RealWear.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Okay and then you guys have an else VR headset that you designed maybe a year and half ago, is that design part of Kopin or will design be part of Solos now going forward?

John Fan

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

We have VR headset?

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

He’s talking about the Elf headset.

John Fan

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

The elf headset, it’s not part of the Solos.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

It’s not.

John Fan

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

No, I don’t. I don’t think so.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And then guys you’re breaking up two important pieces of the growth puzzle Solos and Whisper. And you’re not giving us any detail on the valuation of them or the investors that are actually participating in them. Would these be large companies that are participating or large tech companies or would it be large venture capture capital or small-time players?

John Fan

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

We’re still negotiating with multiple parties right now, so we’re not privy to talk about it right now.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Can you give us a little bit of flavor to it?

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Honestly, it’s been negotiated. There are number of people expressed interest, how it will shake out. We hope to know it shortly.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Okay, great. So, we’ll see announcements on that oppose to situations when they come to closure.

Rich Sneider

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

But I think it’s important to understand, we still retain rights to Whisper and future improvements for the military industrial application.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Okay and then my question is regarding IDC is calling for 31 million enterprise AR headsets by 2023. Recently you guys have come out and said you had 90% market share in the enterprise AR. If you can look out, a year, 12 months from now are you seeing new players coming on that you’re now participating with? Are you seeing new players that you will be participating with? Can you give us some transparency on the whole AR enterprise market? What kind of players you’re seeing entering? Will you think you’re going to spend at the end of the day here percentage-wise maybe or do we go down to 50% or we go down to 30%? Just some sort of 30,000-foot view on the industry would be great.

John Fan

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

This is a good question because the AR market is getting very hot right now. There are many, many different new entrants or people want to enter. So, we cannot look at the number of people entering the field. We have to look at the number of people the companies who [indiscernible] going to production in selling the units, like Google, like RealWear, like [indiscernible] those guys are selling unit and therefore our market share is based on, if things go into production.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Okay, so do you see - in 12 months do you see, in holding firm with strong double-digit percentage of the market.

John Fan

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

That’s why we’re laser focused now.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Okay. My question is this John do you have more design wins for the enterprise that you’re not showcasing to the public yet. Are you guys sitting on - how many design wins are you sitting on for enterprise they are new type of devices. Whether they’re low end, high end or is it, all you have the Golden-I Infinity and the Golden Eye?

John Fan

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

I don’t even know exactly how I can answer [indiscernible] without reviewing other companies. We’re working with multiple companies at this point. In fact, we are very busy right now. Obviously, I think we’re seeing also real engagement now in micro OLED. There are lot of expectations in micro OLEDs will be display of choice for many applications. So, we’re the number one in micro OLED so maybe - talk to you, I don’t know - now.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Okay and then with micro OLED include on this. Excuse me?

John Fan

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Go ahead, I’m sorry.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

[Indiscernible] potentially secure in the business [indiscernible] some assets this year becoming what looks to be a holding company. Is there any way you could maybe work a deal out where you get a big upfront, payment and royalties’ stream on micro OLEDs or do you plan on keeping the model away at this?

John Fan

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Are you advocating, we should state it now or what is that - become a holding company? Are you actually helping us to do formalize and crystallize the strategy? I think the micro OLED is very interesting right now. It is still growing and emerging business. It is a component business and its divided into three parts. One use the military part and one use the industrial, commercial part, safety part and therefore [indiscernible] leave [ph] the consumer. So yes, you might be able to - depends on the maturity and depend on opportunities. We may - I mean you have to be opportunistic to slice the Salami.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Okay, I just figured since you’re doing business with Chinese maybe get the money upfront and get the royalty payment down the line.

John Fan

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Yes, I think as it says, we would like to be the company. That’s may much like some of the semiconductor companies. They get royalty streams and sell components on these sell technology components, technology and in this case, also get some equity stake in a situation. Meanwhile we minimize some of the capital-intensive development intensive cost, which we’d like to minimize. So, I think the strategy is a good one.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Okay and lastly when do you see - did we see any review from the BOE [ph] this part quarter and when do you see revenue coming, any kind of revenue coming from BOE [ph]?

John Fan

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

I would not be able to answer your question, but our relationship with BOE [ph] is very strong.

Patrick Metcalf

Analyst · Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge. Please proceed with your question

Okay, all right. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question-and-answer session and I would like to turn the call back to management for closing remarks.

John Fan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question

Well thank you very much for joining us this morning and I hope to talk to you again, the next time. thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference. You may disconnect your line at this time. thank you for your participation.