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Karyopharm Therapeutics Inc. (KPTI)

Q1 2023 Earnings Call· Sat, May 6, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Ryan, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Karyopharm Therapeutics First Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that this call is being recorded at the company's request. I would now like to turn the call over to Elhan Webb, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you. Over to you.

Elhan Webb

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us on today's conference call to discuss Karyopharm's First Quarter 2023 financial results and recent company progress. We issued a press release this morning detailing our financial results for the first quarter 2023. This release, along with a slide presentation that we will reference during our call today are available on our website. For today's call, as seen on Slide 2, I'm joined by Richard, Sohanya, Reshma and Mike, who will provide an update on our Q1 results and recent clinical developments. Before we begin our formal comments, I'll remind you that various remarks we will make today constitute forward-looking statements for purposes of the safe harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, as outlined on Slide 3. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these forward-looking statements, FLS as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in the Risk Factors section of our most recent Form 10-K, which is on file with the SEC and in other filings that we may make with the SEC in the future. Any FLS represent RV as of today only. While we may elect to update this FLS at some point in the future, we specifically disclaim any opportunity to do so even if our views change. Therefore, you should not rely on these FLS as representing our views as of any later date. I will now turn the call over to Richard. Please turn to Slide 4.

Richard Paulson

Analyst

Thank you, Elhan, and thank you all for joining us today for Karyopharm's Q1 2023 Earnings Call. As we turn to Slide 5, we are making strong progress as we execute on Karyopharm's next stage of growth by deploying our novel mechanism of action, selective inhibition of nuclear export, to expand our existing multiple myeloma franchise, currently centered around our commercial drug, XPOVIO, which is now approved in over 40 countries and continues to move into earlier lines of therapy in multiple myeloma. As Sohanya will discuss further, year-over-year, total demand for XPOVIO continues to grow. However, this is not translating into growth in net product revenue due to increased distribution of free product through our carry forward patient assistance program, PAP and higher gross-to-net discounts. These factors have caused us to revise our total revenue guidance for 2023 to a new range of $145 to $160 million. In addition, we have accelerated our closure of nonpriority programs, thus lowering our spend in 2023 and we are maintaining our guidance for cash runway through late 2025. We believe the factors resulting in the significant increased use of our PAP programs are expected to be mostly limited to 2023. And while we are not specifically commenting on our revenue expectations for 2024, we believe we will see a decreased impact of this challenge next year given the IRA-related Medicare Part D redesign. We have a focused pipeline and are rapidly advancing our mid- and late-stage clinical development programs that can help patients who suffer from cancers with high unmet need, demonstrate efficacy at lower doses with improved tolerability and where we believe we'll have the highest probability of success. We are conducting pivotal Phase III studies in both multiple myeloma and endometrial cancer with the third pivotal Phase III study of…

Sohanya Cheng

Analyst

Thank you, Richard, and good morning, everyone. On Slide 8, I will be discussing first quarter of XPOVIO performance within an evolving and competitive multiple myeloma landscape. In the first quarter, XPOVIO continued to show growth year-over-year in total demand and new patient starts despite facing a competitive landscape that intensified over the past year. Net product revenue was consistent with the same period last year and was adversely impacted by multiple external factors. When you look at what is positively driving our total demand, the community business continued to grow, contributing to about 70% of XPOVIO's revenues in the first quarter. In the community setting, XPOVIO continues to be viewed increasingly favorably as an effective, convenient oral and manageable therapy with a novel mechanism of action in second to fourth line. In the academic setting, we saw sustained demand year-over-year despite increasing uptake of the novel bispecifics and CAR-Ts. The positioning of XPOVIO is actively evolving in the academic setting with the emergence of T cell therapies, and we have an opportunity to serve key patient segments with an increasing body of evidence for XPOVIO that Reshma will expand upon shortly. Now let's take a look at some of the key headwinds we see that adversely impacted our net product revenues year-over-year. First, there was an impact from a higher gross to net discount, 5 points higher in Q1 2023 versus Q1 2022, driven by increased 340B discounts and Medicare and Medicaid rebates. Second, there was a significant increase in utilization of our carryforward patient assistance program, or PAP, where we provide free drug to patients who qualify and who are unable to afford the cost of their medication. Many patients rely on financial assistance from independent nonprofit foundation dedicated to improving access to important medications by providing financial…

Reshma Rangwala

Analyst

Thank you, Sohanya. Starting off with an overview of our clinical pipeline on Slide 11. We are rapidly advancing our pipeline, which is evaluating 2 complementary novel sign compounds selinexor and eltanexor across multiple cancers of high unmet need, including myelofibrosis, myelodysplastic neoplasms, endometrial cancer and multiple myeloma. Turning now to Slide 12. We continue to optimize the dose of selinexor across our clinical programs. The lower doses of 40 or 60 milligrams weekly that are incorporated in all of our current selinexor clinical trials. A 1/4 to less than half of the original approved dose of 80 milligrams twice weekly. The substantially lower doses optimize the patient benefit by improving its tolerability ultimately enabling patients to stay on therapy longer and improving their overall benefit. I'm going to spend most of my time today talking about our recent data in myelofibrosis and myelodysplastic neoplasms. But first, on Slide 14, it is worth reviewing some of the evidence about the potential benefit of selinexor in T cell fitness. There are a number of published studies, which have shown that selinexor maintains a T cell function in mice and can help maintain the effectiveness of CAR-T therapies in mice pretreated with selinexor. To further expand on these data, we are collaborating with academic institutions on additional preclinical research studies to further explore the impact of signed mechanisms on T cell fitness. In addition, we are leveraging real-world evidence data to determine whether patients who were treated with selinexor prior to receiving CAR-Ttherapy benefit from improved outcomes with CAR-T. Lastly, we are evaluating multiple clinical studies that will evaluate the benefit of selinexor when used before or after BCMA or CAR-T therapy in patients with multiple myeloma. This body of evidence will enhance our understanding of the role of XPO1 inhibition has…

Michael Mason

Analyst

I hope everyone is having a great morning, and thank you, Reshma. Turning to our financials since we issued a press release earlier today with the full financial results, I will just focus on the highlights, which begin on Slide 33. Total revenue for the first quarter of 2023 was $38.7 million compared to $47.7 million for the first quarter of 2022. Net product revenue from U.S. commercial sales of XPOVIO for the first quarter of 2023 was $28.3 million compared to $28.3 million for the first quarter of 2022. As Sohanya discussed, net product revenue was adversely affected by more patients using our patient assistance program as well as higher gross to net discounts, which were 24% for the quarter. We now expect our gross to net discounts will be near the higher end of our range of 20% to 25% this year. Turning to costs. With our continued disciplined execution, we are pleased to be delivering a combined 16% year-over-year reduction in our R&D and SG&A expenses this quarter. As we have discussed in the past, we have a focused pipeline and you are seeing this in our R&D spend. R&D expenses for the first quarter of 2023 were $32.3 million, down 23% compared to $42.1 million for the first quarter of 2022. Likewise, SG&A expenses for the first quarter of 2023 were $35.9 million, down 7% compared to $38.8 million for the first quarter of 2022. We are achieving this through purposeful and comprehensive spend discipline, which includes the accelerated closure of our noncore programs while simultaneously rapidly advancing 3 pivotal Phase III programs. Cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash and investments as of March 31, 2023, totaled $261.9 million compared to $279.7 million as of December 31, 2022. As Sohanya outlined, we are lowering both our total revenue and XPOVIO net product revenue ranges by $15 million, primarily due to the higher-than-anticipated use of our patient assistant programs and associated free drug. In 2024, we expect this to improve with fewer patients utilizing our path for co-pay assistance due to IRA-related redesign of Part D benefits. With these changes, we are now guiding to total revenue of $145 million to $160 million for 2023 and U.S. XPOVIO net product revenue of $110 million to $125 million. On the cost side, as we've accelerated our closure of nonpriority programs and disciplined expense management, we are also lowering our expense guidance by $15 million. We now anticipate non-GAAP R&D and SG&A expenses which excludes stock-based compensation expense to be in the range of $245 million to $260 million for the full year of 2023. And finally, that our existing cash, cash equivalent investments as well as the revenue we expect to generate from XPOVIO product sales and other license revenues will be sufficient to fund our planned operations into late 2025. We I'll now flip to Slide 34 and turn the call over to Richard for some final thoughts. Richard?

Richard Paulson

Analyst

Thank you, Mike. Turning to Slide 35. As we have discussed today, we are rapidly advancing our pipeline with 3 Phase III programs to potentially expand our commercial indications as we demonstrate the benefit that XPO1 inhibition can deliver to patients in areas with high unmet need. We continue to expand on our foundation in multiple myeloma and believe that every eligible patient should receive selinexor during their patient journey. I would like to thank our teams that continue to execute in a disciplined manner and who strive each day for patients with high unmet needs as we work to generate value for patients and shareholders. Thank you again for joining us today. And I would now like to ask the operator to open the call up to the Q&A portion of today's call. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Peter Lawson from Barclays.

Peter Lawson

Analyst

I wonder if you could just add to it on free drug and pack program, is that still increasing? And where do you think that could be as you kind of exit 2Q? And then for Mike, what do you think the revenue impact in the quarter was from the PAP free drop program and gross to net?

Richard Paulson

Analyst

Sure, Peter, thanks for the question. I mean, I think, broadly, as you heard from Sohanya, there was a real unprecedented increase in the use of the PAP programs during the period, and historically, it's been about 5% and now in April approached about 20%. So obviously, we've built that range into our guidance with our guidance coming at the higher end, if there's less patients having to access our patient assistance program versus more towards the mid- to lower end, if it continues at the same rates as it is. And then maybe I'll turn to Mike to talk about the impact with regards to gross to net.

Michael Mason

Analyst

I think, Peter, your question was on the impact on PAP for the quarter?

Peter Lawson

Analyst

Yes, and the gross to net. So if there's -- you can break out the revenue impact.

Michael Mason

Analyst

Yes. So our gross to net for the quarter was about -- was 24%, which is about 5 points higher year-over-year. So we're guiding on the call today -- we're keeping our range of 20% to 25%, but we're guiding that it will be on the higher end of that range for the rest of the year. And as far as PAP direct impact on the quarter, it was a hair over $1 million or so in Q1. So the impact is more forward-looking as Sohanya mentioned in her script on where these foundations or when these foundations would open for the year. So it's not a massive impact on Q1, but it was more forward-looking.

Peter Lawson

Analyst

And then just on the foundations, is there any change there going forward? I mean -- and is that -- is that spend being more focused around BCMA versus other therapies, do you think?

Richard Paulson

Analyst

Yes, Peter, we don't really obviously have insight into what kind of patients are accessing the foundation's programs. So I think as we touched on, obviously, the foundations play a really important role, supporting patients with financial assistance that you have access to that assistance and especially in the Medicare Part D, patients who need co-pay assistance, especially with regards to looking at what's happening to patients as they transition into a 5% extra cost moving forward. And so as we talked about, looking at 2024, moving forward, kind of this catastrophic coverage of the 5% co-pay was the change driven through the IRA changes that we expect will require less patients to access patient assistance programs.

Peter Lawson

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And I guess just a final question just for, Mike, around cost savings, whether that impacts SG&A or R&D and kind of how that kind of filters through to programs in the second half?

Michael Mason

Analyst

Yes. The big part of it is really acceleration of closing our nonprioritized program. So that's really the focus in order to bring down the R&D side of expense. And of course, we have our two ongoing Phase IIIs and one to start. So it's a mix across all three areas of R&D, commercial and SG&A, but it's a combination of cost discipline and acceleration of the closure of the nonpartisan program.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Maurice Raycroft from Jefferies.

Kevin Strang

Analyst

This is Kevin on for Maurice. First question I had was on myeloma. You pointed out that almost 60% of the new patient share is from the earlier line setting versus, I believe, around 55% or close to that earlier this year. could you say what proportion of that is due to volume increase in the earlier line or whether that's primarily due to increased competition in the later line.

Richard Paulson

Analyst

I think, Kevin, maybe I'll turn to Sohanya to expand on that.

Sohanya Cheng

Analyst

So yes, so 60% -- we are approaching 60% of XPOVIO new patient starts moving into the earlier lines. and that means that -- the remainder of the patients are in the fourth line, fifth line plus. Now that is driven by primarily in the community where we are seeing an increased use of XPOVIO as well as use in the earlier lines.

Kevin Strang

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then just on the dose response relationship that you saw in turning to myelofibrosis in the Phase I and the 60 milligram versus the 40 milligram doses. What would you expect or what do you expect in the ongoing endometrial and myeloma Phase IIIs where you're running studies at lower doses than you previously looked at?

Richard Paulson

Analyst

Yes, Reshma, do you want to expand on that?

Reshma Rangwala

Analyst

Yes. Great question, Kevin. So what you can see across all of our programs, myelofibrosis, endometrial in multiple myeloma. We've incorporated these lower doses of either 40 milligrams or 60 milligrams dose weekly. A lot of that really suggests that regardless of tumor type, you can drive efficacy again with these lower doses of selinexor. Now there are going to be differences, right? Given the underlying tumor type, whether it's a monotherapy or in combination, but what we are triangulating around is that these, again, lower doses, improve the tolerability, enable patients to stay on therapy and, of course, ultimately drive that efficacy. So it is nice to see that consistency again in that positive benefit risk around these lower doses of selinexor regardless of tumor types.

Kevin Strang

Analyst

Great. Just a final quick follow-up for ASCO. You have a myelofibrosis post through there. Should we expect any new data in terms of maybe durability or dose intensity or anything like that?

Reshma Rangwala

Analyst

We haven't guided on the actual content of ASCO. Again, we did have a recent presentation, as you know, at SVR the February data cut. But with that said, we're always going to have opportunities to provide additional data, whether it's from an efficacy, safety or translational from this Phase I given that we follow patients long term and have collected multiple samples. So again, can't comment specifically at what's going to happen at ASCO, but there are going to be new data, and we hope to be able to present new data over the course of the next 6, 12, 18 months from the study.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mike Ulz from Morgan Stanley.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

This is [Gunjan] online for Mike. I just have a question about this PAP program utilization. So where do you see the main driving factor of the increasing like from 5% to 20% within just 2 months? And although you said like in 2024, you are expecting like lowering utilization. What do you see the evolving in the next 3 quarters and maybe beyond 2024?

Richard Paulson

Analyst

Yes, Sohanya, do you want to touch on that?

Sohanya Cheng

Analyst

Yes. So the main driver in terms of the significant increase in the utilization of PAP was driven by particularly the Medicare Part D patients. Now our PAP program provides free drug to qualified uninsured and uninsured patients broadly, but this includes Medicare Part D patients that need financial assistance with their 5% beneficiary coinsurance requirement above the catastrophic cover threshold. Now this segment of patients were a particular driver in terms of financial assistance that they needed and the impact that we saw as a result of the foundation closure. Now looking into 2024, this is the piece that is eliminated in the redesign of the Part D benefits per the IRA. So the 5% beneficial coinsurance requirement above the catastrophic coverage threshold is eliminated. So that segment of patients will lead less financial assistance and less reliance on patient assistance programs in 2024. As for the remainder of this year, again, as Richard commented earlier, we've incorporated into the guidance range, this uncertainty factor on where the foundations can support new patients for the rest of the year as well as the guidance incorporates the year-to-date impact of path as well as subsequent refills.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Colleen Kusy from Baird.

Colleen Kusy

Analyst

On XPOVIO ex U.S., can you talk about some of the drivers there? And what gives you confidence in hitting the ex U.S. portion of your guidance regarding?

Richard Paulson

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Colleen. When you look at what's happening ex U.S., as we've talked to maybe the commercial launches have taken place in Germany and Austria. Menarini is working through the pricing reimbursement process in the EU this year and over the next kind of 12 months. I think in those markets, obviously, they were able to launch in the second-line plus indication to start. So I think that enables them to move forward, I think, with the earnings we have here in the U.S. and a more rapid uptake. And I think when we look at outside of the U.S., also we know in Asia Pac. XPOVIO is commercially available in Mainland China, Australia, South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan. The commercial launch in Mainland China took place in May of '22. And at the same time, they're working through the China NRDL strategy. It's under evaluation depending on label expansion and timing and further discussion with the China authority. So I think our partners across the globe, making really good progress with regards to moving forward from a commercial launch perspective.

Colleen Kusy

Analyst

Great. That's helpful. And then just based on the MDS data that you put out this week, what are the potential next steps for that program? And are any of those next steps currently included in your cash guidance?

Reshma Rangwala

Analyst

Colleen, I'll take that one. And thanks for the question. So yes, encouraged by the data that we reported from the interim analysis, just to provide background again and to highlight this is a very hard-to-treat patient population. We enrolled these higher-risk relapsed/refractory MDS patients. overall survival is very poor, unfortunately, at 4 to 6 months. So again, encouraged by those 8, 8.7 median overall survival that we observed from the interim, also encouraged by the ORR. We're going to take a look at these data interrogate them further and define the next steps in the next half of the second year. I'll turn the financial question over to Mike.

Michael Mason

Analyst

Colleen, we do have some eltanexor costs in our cash guidance. Ultimately, depending what happens with the MDS program is where those costs will be. But for now, we have some probablized placeholders for sure.

Colleen Kusy

Analyst

Understood. And last question, just on myelofibrosis and the competitive landscape there. I know we're going to get some Phase III data by the end of this year from the MANIFEST-2 study. How do you expect that data would impact your development and regulatory plans in myelofibrosis?

Reshma Rangwala

Analyst

Yes, great question. So at a high level, I don't think it really impacts what we do with our Phase III, again, very encouraged by the Phase I data. Right now, our entire focus is really initiating the Phase III, which we anticipate is going to start this quarter and being able to enroll the trial. With that said, I think looking at the data, I think, regardless of what the manifest data look like potential way to transform, we have an opportunity to be best-in-class and to really transform the first-line myelofibrosis space, not only based upon the numerical SVR and TSS50 data that we. Presented at week 24 but also the very important improvement in cytopenias given the underlying disease modification that our current data suggests. But also importantly, the fact that we potentially may have monotherapy activity with selinexor. And those data are really based upon that suboptimal ruxolitinib data in which efficacy is preserved for both SVR and TSS50 even when the ruxolitinib doses are reduced all the way down to 5 milligrams. That affords physicians a lot of flexibility to potentially discontinue ruxolitinib due to, let's say, toxicity and continue a patient on with selinexor. So again, I think there's a lot of differentiating factors with selinexor plus ruxolitinib that can potentially enable it to be a best-in-class really regardless of what happens with some of the other competitors.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Chris Raymond from Piper Sandler.

Nicole Gabreski

Analyst

This is Nicole Gabreski on for Chris. Sorry if I missed this, but just as we think about the rest of the year in terms of guidance, I guess, is there any certain quarter where most of the impact of these headwinds stuck might be recognized? Or I guess, how should we be thinking about that? And then just quickly for myelofibrosis. Just as we look at other myelofibrosis programs and development, those tend to have a single primary endpoint of SVR35. Can you just maybe talk about the rationale or drivers behind having co-primary endpoints for your Phase III study?

Richard Paulson

Analyst

Thanks, Nicole. I'll comment on the first and then turn it over to Reshma. But when you look at the evolution over quarters, I think you can expect your kind of consistent differences that you see quarter-over-quarter in line with our historical patterns. And then as we talk to looking at the impact of patient assistance programs, we just need to see how that evolves during the year, and that's obviously something which we have to see what comes in, in terms of patients requiring resistance through our programs. And as we've said in our guidance range, with less patients having to access our patient assistance program that will move us towards the higher end. And if we continue to see high rates of patients accessing our patient assistance program that moves us towards the middle to lower end. And Reshma, do you want to expand on the second part of the question?

Reshma Rangwala

Analyst

Yes, absolutely. And thank you for the question, Nicole. So we're really focused on 2 main endpoints, the SVR35 and TSS50 ultimately for the patients, it's really critical that we show significant improvement in both of those endpoints. Of course, the SVR is a potential surrogate for overall survival. That reduction is key and showing a significant improvement, potentially overall long-term improvement for the patient. Of course, that symptoms, it affects directly how they feel. So again, we're focused on both of those endpoints, the data to date and the Phase I really suggests that we can maximize benefit for both of these endpoints compared to ruxolitinib and it's going to be our focus in our Phase III trial as well.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Eric Joseph from JPMorgan.

Eric Joseph

Analyst

Just following up on the commercial outlook with XPOVIO in 2024. I guess that you anticipate less PAP utilization. But outside of that, can you just comment on expectations on net pricing. We typically have seen some price hike, can you just kind of comment on whether those would actually flow through ultimately on the net price? And then for eltanexor, I know that you're -- it sounds like you're just -- you're currently evaluating sort of the development path forward there. Is combination therapy part of the consideration there? Can you just talk about the potential combination path with eltanexor.

Richard Paulson

Analyst

Yes, maybe I'll turn it to Sohanya for the first part of that and then Reshma on the second part.

Sohanya Cheng

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Eric, for the question. Again, in terms of 2024, we're not providing guidance for 2024 revenues. To your point, in 2024, because of that IR-related change, we do expect to see significantly fewer patients utilizing carryforward co-pay assistance in that segment that we discussed earlier. Again, we don't comment on future pricing strategy for 2024. But as far as growth in 2024, again, growth potential for mid to long term, I remain confident in our growth potential.

Reshma Rangwala

Analyst

And I can take the next one, Eric. Thank you for the question. Great question. Yes, as you noted, like we're not talking about the next steps in the development at this time. With that said, the fact that eltanexor showing monotherapy activity in this hard-to-treat patient population, just gives us a lot of flexibility in terms of next steps in our development, whether it's continuing to evaluate monatherapy, looking at different patient populations or to your point, potentially even looking at combinations. So again, lots of opportunities. But again, it's built upon the foundation that eltanexor does have monotherapy activity. And in addition, the myelofibrosis is now showing in this different tumor type that XPO1 is a fundamental mechanism in this hard-to-treat cancer.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jonathan Chang from SVB Leerink.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

This is [Matt Kaufer] on for Jonathan. Just first one, any updates on the regulatory interactions for the myelofibrosis Phase III? And are you able to discuss any of the statistical assumptions behind the study? And then I have a follow-up.

Richard Paulson

Analyst

Sure, Matt, I'll turn to Reshma for that.

Reshma Rangwala

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Matt, for the question. So we've had productive discussions with the FDA and have incorporated their feedback into our design. We don't talk about any specifics of those FDA interactions. And as I mentioned earlier on the call, really our focus at this point is initiating this trial likely this quarter. In terms of the statistical assumptions, so there too, we haven't disclosed any of the details. With that said, we're looking very closely not only at the data that we've absorbed as part of our Phase I for both SVR and TSS50, but also looking at the historical data that we know that ruxolitinib has provided, again, for both of those endpoints. So really have utilized those data to ultimately design the most efficient trial that can enable this treatment to patients who have myelofibrosis.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. That's very helpful. And then just following up on the eltanexor data that you just released. I noticed there was a high degree of sensoring in some of the survival data. I was wondering if you could provide any color on those patients and what happened with them? And then also if you're able to provide any detail on the patient experience, for patients that were post both venetoclax and azacitidine.

Reshma Rangwala

Analyst

Yes. Great question. So we still have quite a few patients who are still in survival follow-up, Hence, one of the reasons that they are censored. This trial is ongoing. We continue to follow those patients for survival. And hopefully, we'll have an opportunity to present updated survival over the course of the next few months. In terms of the post venetoclax, azacitidine. So great point. And this is a key differentiation from our Phase I study and that we had a subgroup of patients who did receive prior venetoclax, which is a BCL2, a smaller subgroup of patients who received the combination of venetoclax plus HMA inhibitors. Why is this such a important point? Largely because there are some preliminary data coming out of MD Anderson that suggests that patients who have received prior BCL2 may have poor prognosis compared to the already very poor prognosis in relapsed/refractory MDS. So this is something that we're looking at more closely but again, gives us opportunity to further develop eltanexor, especially as venetoclax and azacitidine is expected to move as a new potential first-line therapy, leaving a gap, right, to further develop new therapies in this relapsed refractory space.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back to Mr. Richard Paulson for any closing remarks.

Richard Paulson

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and thank you again to everyone for joining today's call. And we're wishing everyone a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The conference of Karyopharm has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.