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Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 5, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon and welcome to the Kilroy Realty Corporation Fourth Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode [Operator Instructions]. After today's presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions [Operator Instructions]. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tyler Rose, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Tyler Rose

Analyst

Good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us. On the call with me today are John Kilroy and Jeff Hawken as well as other senior members of our management team who are available for Q&A. At the outset, I need to say that some of the information we will be discussing is forward-looking in nature. Please refer to our supplemental package for a statement regarding the forward-looking information in this call and in the supplemental. This call is being telecast live on our Web site and will be available for replay for the next 8 days both by phone and over the Internet. Our earnings release and supplemental package have been filed on a Form 8-K with the SEC and both are also available on our Web site. John will start the call with our view of the fourth quarter and the year; Jeff will discuss the conditions in our key markets and I'll finish up with financial highlights and review of our initial 2019 earnings guidance that was published yesterday in our earnings release. Then we'll be happy to take your questions. John?

John Kilroy

Analyst

Thank you, Tyler. Hello everybody and thank you for joining us today. I'll begin this morning with a review of 2018 highlights and fourth quarter results and finish with the status of conditions in our markets that are driving our development activities and shaping our 2019 outlook and objectives. First, last year's highlights, 2018 was an excellent year for us across the company. Our West Coast markets remain healthy and vibrant and we in turn delivered a record high leasing performance signing 3.4 million square feet of leases in our stabilized portfolio and development program. Cash and GAAP rents were up 15% and 36% respectively in the stabilized portfolio. We proactively addressed our 2018 and 2019 expirations. We signed a 12-year lease with Netflix for all -- of the 355,000 square feet of our office space at the mixed-use development project that is under construction in Hollywood. We also signed leases on 91% of the retail space and have commitments on roughly 2/3rds of the office space at our One Paseo mixed-use project in Del Mar. We commenced revenue recognition on all of the office space at 100 Hooper in San Francisco. We added a key life science development opportunity to our pipeline with the acquisition of Kilroy Oyster Point, a fully entitled approximately 40-acre waterfront site in South San Francisco. We made two strategic property acquisitions, totaling $257 million, one in South San Francisco and the other in San Francisco's technology corridor, on Brannan Street. Both acquisitions are adjacent to existing KRC assets. We generated $373 million in our capital recycling program through the disposition of three non-strategic assets. We increased our dividend by 7.1% or 30% over the last three years. We strengthened our balance sheet, lowered our overall cost of capital and successfully managed earnings dilution with…

Jeff Hawken

Analyst

Thanks, John. Hello, everyone. As John stated, conditions in our West Coast real estate markets remain healthy. Let's begin in San Francisco, which remains among the strongest commercial real estate market in the country. 2018 was a spectacular year in leasing large blocks of space. There were 21 transactions greater than the 100,000 square feet, outpacing 2017's record of 18. This drove rent increases across the market and with no new product being delivered until 2023, we expect rents to continue to increase. For the year, San Francisco delivered Class A rent growth of 12% year-over-year, more than twice the level the brokerage community had initially forecasted. In San Francisco's SOMA, South Financial and Mission Bay districts, Class A direct vacancy rates were 1.8%, 4.6% and 6.6%, respectively. In South San Francisco, life science vacancy rate was 2%. And in Silicon Valley, Class A direct vacancy was 6.1%. We are currently 98.5% leased in the Bay Area and our in-place rents for the region are approximately 32% below market. In the Greater Seattle region, market conditions echo that of San Francisco. The region's record-setting growth has shown no indications of slowing down, as the labor pool for the technology-focused workforce continues to migrate to Seattle. With limited supply, Class A rents hit a record high. Class A direct vacancy in South Lake Union is 1.7% and in Bellevue, it is 5.3%. Our Seattle portfolio is currently 97.7% leased. Our in-place rents are approximately 10% below market. In San Diego, market fundamentals in 2018 outperformed a strong 2017 in terms of vacancy, net absorption and rental rates. This was driven by expansion in the technology, life science and financial services sector. Most notably, Apple leased a 97,000-square foot project in University Town Center, deepening the technology concentration that already exists with…

Tyler Rose

Analyst

Thanks, Jeff. FFO was $0.78 per share in the fourth quarter and includes three one-time items that on a net basis lowered FFO by $0.12 per share. On an adjusted basis, FFO would have been $0.90 per share for the quarter. The first one-time item is a $0.12 per share charge related to the early redemption of our 2020 senior notes. The second one-time item is a $0.12 per share non-cash charge, related to the potential accrued retirement benefits. And the third one-time item is a positive $0.11 per share gain on the sale of land in connection with a disposition of the Plaza Yarrow Bay asset. For the year, excluding these three one-time charges, FFO was $3.60 per share. Same-store NOI continue to reflect strong growth in rental rates, GAAP NOI rose 3%. As anticipated, on a cash basis, NOI was down 0.9% due to free rent associated with new leases as well as the one-time benefit in the fourth quarter of last year. For the year, cash and GAAP NOI both grew 3%. We ended the year with occupancy of 94.4%, in line with guidance and we were 96.6% leased. Moving to the balance sheet. We completed a number of transactions during the fourth quarter, that have positioned us well for the new year. In October, we drew down the entire $200 million of 4.35% privately placed unsecured notes. In November and December, we've raised $400 million of 10-year unsecured senior notes at 4.75% and redeemed all $250 million of our 2020 bonds. Meanwhile, our overall financial position is sound with substantial additional funding capacity. We have total capacity under our credit facility of just under $1.5 billion that includes approximately $735 million of availability under the revolver and $600 million under the accordion feature. We have a…

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Craig Mailman with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Craig Mailman

Analyst

Hey, guys. On 333 Dexter, it sounds like you guys are in talks with potential tenants. I guess, I thought maybe a deal could have come together a little sooner given the quality of the product and the location. Had people been waiting for the new connection to be completed or what do you think has kind of maybe delayed that a little bit relative to maybe Street expectations?

Rob Paratte

Analyst

Hi, Craig. This is Rob Paratte. I'll handle that. And thanks for the compliment on the project. It's really looking great now. The I-99 undergrounding project has been on people's minds and on radar screen for several years. I think the great news is that, with very little hiccups and delays, it's opened relatively on time and that's a critical factor in everyone's assessing that project and what it means for 333 Dexter. And to your point, we are pleased with the activity we have and I think depending on the tenant, it's very company specific and also dependent on size, just how long it takes from initial discussions to actually getting a lease executed.

Craig Mailman

Analyst

And do you think -- I mean given kind of the tenants looking at it, how do you kind of envision that breaking out in terms of amount of tenants and kind of where you guys maybe on the demand versus availability?

Rob Paratte

Analyst

Yes. I don't want to comment on the mix and that sort of thing at this point.

Craig Mailman

Analyst

Okay, fair. And then just on the Flower Mart, with the challenges from the community, kind of how has that changed maybe internally your view of commencement dates relative and maybe capital needs here, you guys have done a good job raising debt, equity and doing dispositions. But I guess, as you guys are looking out at Oyster Point, Flower Mart beyond 2019. It looks like maybe I would've thought maybe dispositions would have ramped a little bit as you guys were able to pull it back in '18. Is there some fluidity there in terms of disposition volumes, just given some of the timing?

John Kilroy

Analyst

Well, yes, we try to -- it's John, we try to kind of do just in time when we can. In terms of the Flower Mart, almost every project in -- of substance in California gets a sequel lawsuit. It's just the way the homeowners and the various property owners deal with projects, it costs you, I think something like 30 bucks to file a lawsuit in California. I have my own thoughts about how this is going to play out, I don't really want to err on publicly, because it is fluid. We're working with the city as are the other major developers that own properties in SOMA to try to get things resolved. I think they'll clearly get resolved, it's just a question of how long. In terms of the timing, even if we expect to get our development agreement signed late sometime in the fourth quarter, that would permit us to start development. I don't think we want to start development with the lawsuits against Central SOMA. It's not against our project, it's against some other projects and some other issues related to other projects in the area. I don't think we would want to start without those lawsuits being resolved, really sufficient clarity. Having said that, we never anticipated starting construction until we move the Flower Mart. In the Flower Mart, we won't move until we get the development agreements signed. We'll continue with that. So, will this delay our start, from what we had projected, which was I believe end of '19, early or mid '20, I don't know. With regard to Oyster Point, that's all entitled and there's no issues there at all with regard to entitlements and so, we'll go through that phase by phase. In terms of how that relates to dispositions and so forth, like I said, we'll look at dispositions or ventures with regard to our needs and Tyler does a pretty good job figuring that out. So I think we're in really good shape across the board. Anybody else?

Craig Mailman

Analyst

All right. That's helpful. Then I guess just a tag onto that last one. You are kind of getting back the stock to where you guys did the Flower deal and just thoughts on cost of equity here relative to the yields versus dispose and the kind of the attractiveness of each of those capital sources?

John Kilroy

Analyst

Tyler, you want to take that one?

Tyler Rose

Analyst

Yes. I mean, right now, we don't have the need for capital. So, we don't have to make that decision, but you're right, we have to balance the cost of equity versus the cost of debt versus the cost of joint ventures and the cap rates on dispositions, which still remain strong. So, we don't need to make that decision today, but we will be following that as we go forward.

Craig Mailman

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Manny Korchman with Citi. Please go ahead.

Manny Korchman

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Hi, guys. Maybe for Jeff or Tyler. When you think about the remaining expirations in 2019, got about 500,000 left. How should we think about sort of retention on those and I think on the last call, you mentioned 175,000 square feet tenant as sort of the largest potential expiration, if that's one location and where is that at?

Jeff Hawken

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Yes. So, this is Jeff. On the 2019, so again, we've got about 460,000 square feet remain on expirations, none of them are larger than 50,000 square feet and so we're in negotiations with a lot of the remaining tenants. There's two or three, about 25% of the remaining, we know they'll vacate, but again they're all fairly small and spread across the portfolio.

Manny Korchman

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Thanks. And Tyler, on the '19 disposition guidance, a few questions. One, how much of that is going to be JV versus outright sale. And then just help us figure out sort of where timing and the yields will be on those planned dispositions?

Tyler Rose

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Yes. I mean, right now, we're not anticipating those will be ventures, so this will be straight sales, but obviously that could change. Timing would be sort of third quarter, mid-year to third quarter. And cap rates, we always are fairly conservative on our cap rates, we're probably in the low 6 to pick a number.

Manny Korchman

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Jamie Feldman with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Thank you. I guess just sticking with the guidance first, Tyler, can you give us some thoughts on what AFFO and your dividend coverage looks like based on your outlook?

Tyler Rose

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Yes. So, our payout ratio based on our CapEx modeling at this point is sort of in the mid 80s.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

And AFFO?

Tyler Rose

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

We think of it as FAD, but yes, AFFO FAD.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Okay. Okay. And then, can you help us think through just the pay or kind of quarterly what same-store looks like and what earnings looks like? Just how do we -- whether on a GAAP and cash basis, just what the -- as we go throughout the year, what the changes will be?

Tyler Rose

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Yes. As I said earlier, it will be negative in the first couple of quarters and positive in the second. I mean on a cash basis, it's roughly in the negative 5% range for the first two quarters and then positive 3% and 6% in the last two quarters. Those are the current estimates. But as you know, it's very hard to model same-store. So those numbers will move around.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Okay. And what about in terms of FFO?

Tyler Rose

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

FFO quarterly guidance, we don't provide quarterly guidance.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

By quarters? Okay.

Tyler Rose

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

We don't discuss. No.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

And then, John, just thinking about the reserve for the retirement reserve. Two questions. One is, can you just help us think through or give us your thoughts on that payment? And then, secondly, when you sit back and think about the next 10 years of this company, given you are thinking about retirement, how should we think about what Kilroy looks like over that period?

John Kilroy

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Well, I'll let Tyler to answer the first part and I'll answer the second part. Tyler?

Tyler Rose

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Yes. So, on the retirement accrual, basically under John's new employment contract, he would receive a cash payment if and when he retires. So it's a potential payment. It's a non-cash charge at the moment under the accounting rules, potential payment upon retirement are accounted for differently than normal severance payments and so the bulk of the retirement payment is required to be expensed in the period the agreement is executed, so that's why it was expensed in the fourth quarter when the agreement was executed.

John Kilroy

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

In terms of the second part of your question, Jamie, we've got a very robust succession planning going on for the last several years. We have a committee that's a Board committee that's on top of that and we deal with that at each Board meeting that relates to emergency situations whether it's me or anybody else as well as long-term. We don't disclose who might be candidates for any particular position in regards to the succession. In regards to me, I just turned 70. I'm feeling pretty good. I think that most people who know me, I think I'm on top of my game and yet, this is a five-year extension. I had to make a decision on what I wanted to do. The company obviously wanted me to stay. We've got a lot of big projects and things going on. And my hope is that we will, over the next few years, be able to determine who the next CEO will be, will I move to Chairman and we have a new CEO in five years. I can't tell you specifically how it's going to go. But, I think to be very prudent for our shareholders and for all the stakeholders that we do business with and all the employees of Kilroy, it's important to have a plan. So that's where we're at and we have a lot of good candidates. I think the ideal person is probably a lot younger than me and a lot smarter than me and we'll find out who that is.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Okay. That's helpful. All right. And then, I guess just a final question, what are you assuming for leasing spreads in '19 in the guidance?

Tyler Rose

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Well, I think Jeff went through the -- where we are by market. I mean we're 24% under market for our 2019 expirations.

James Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Okay, all right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Nick Yulico with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Nick Yulico

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Well, thanks. I guess, the first, just a question on Oyster Point. John, trends in that market are very strong as you talked about, felt like this quarter you had announced a construction start there, yet you haven't. So, I guess I'm just wondering what's holding you back at this point from starting the first phase there?

John Kilroy

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Well, nothing is holding us back. We've been under construction with the site work and all the roads and all the rest. Originally, when we structured the purchase and the sale agreement, the previous owner was going to do that work. We took that work over them, got appropriate credit for the cost of that and for the timing and so forth. But we are well under way with all that and we don't need to start yet. We have to make that decision fairly soon. And Tracy is here with me, the delivery date assuming things just go seamlessly from the current site work and pre-development work to construction, to completion, the completion date for shell is scheduled -- would be scheduled for when?

Tracy Murphy

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Roughly, quarter two 2021.

John Kilroy

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Yes. So, stay tuned.

Nick Yulico

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Okay. And in terms of M&A, do you feel like you need to get leasing done at Dexter before you start Oyster Point?

John Kilroy

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

No. I don't think the two are connected at all. Both are very strong markets, different kind of clientele. We're right in the catbird seat with regard to South San Francisco life science. I think we've got the best material site down there. Yes, of course, BioMed, Blackstone has been very successful. They started their building just next door to us and leased it and they have another phase. So, between them and we, we think we sort of control that market.

Nick Yulico

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Okay. It's helpful. Just one other question, Tyler, on the same-store NOI guidance. Trying to square that up with the occupancy guidance. I mean, I get it that there is move-ins, move-outs that are affecting the year and the cadence of the year. But the occupancy guidance and it looks like it's showing an increase in occupancy by the end of the year, and struggling to see how that happens with a flat cash same-store NOI growth guidance. Thanks.

Tyler Rose

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Yes. As I've mentioned, the flat is being driven by the first half of the year and it turns positive in the second half. So, I think that the projections assume that the occupancy improves in the third and fourth quarter.

Nick Yulico

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from John Guinee with Stifel. Please go ahead.

John Guinee

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Great. Nice job, guys. Hey, Tyler, about eight months ago, at the June NAREIT, you gave a pro forma FFO of $4.46. Assuming all the development hit, which is about a $1.10 a quarter by year-end 2020, is that still attainable?

Tyler Rose

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Well, remember that was all things being equal with the lease accounting change and other things, you have to adjust for that, but I think we still anticipate that same general growth of NOI on an annualized basis by the end of 2020 assuming that we've completed the development as we laid out and it's leased, Dexter is leased and so forth. So, and again, this came up on the last call, but we have certain disposition and estimates in our numbers and to the extent we decide to sell more than our current plan or sell less, that could either increase or decrease the number and it's assuming leverages consistent and so forth. So, I think we still anticipate strong pickup in NOI by that point, but it does move around and the lease accounting change will impact that.

John Guinee

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

And then, John, I think you'd mentioned that you think that you're going to get about $70 million of stabilized cash NOI for Dropbox plus Adobe at Hooper. Looks to us like that's about an eight plus yield on cost on a cash basis. Is that an accurate way to look at it?

John Kilroy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Yes.

John Guinee

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then, the last question is DIRECTV, how many years do you have left on that lease? And is that something that's pretty soon becomes decreases in value rapidly in the private market?

John Kilroy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

No. I think the opposite. Tyler or Jeff, you can -- you remember better than I. How many years are left on that lease? What's the number?

Tyler Rose

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Yes, September of '27.

John Kilroy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Okay. So, there's roughly eight years left. Is that right? So, eight and a half years. In terms of the rent, it's way below market and El Segundo has been a hotspot recently with the lack of available space on the west side and with the traffic patterns continuing to deteriorate, the South Bay isn't the greatest market when you get down south of El Segundo to the Harbor Freeway that area that we've never liked. But El Segundo has become very strong both with regard to people trying to acquire product in the area as well as tenant demand, including a number of media tenants and so forth. So, I think our mark-to-market on that asset is, I'm looking at Steve, across from me, I don't know if you know it or Jeff, but the rent is really low there. The mark-to-market -- the rent is very low in our project in El Segundo.

John Guinee

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Okay. Can you repeat that El Segundo as a hotspot?

John Kilroy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Well, relatively speaking, okay, John. I mean there's tall people in different cultures that aren't just tall than some of the people in other cultures. So, it's all relative, but El Segundo has now become a much stronger market that we've seen over the last 10 or 15 years. So -- and I think that just I think -- so, we're kind of debating, we always take a look at all of our assets annually, try to assess the markets where they're going. And I've been pretty pleased with the data on El Segundo in terms of where rents have gone and where demand has gone. Rob, I know the rents now in that market are getting to what in El Segundo or Jeff?

Jeff Hawken

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Yes. There are -- 3.50 full service gross per month, so they're definitely have been increasing significantly.

John Kilroy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

And that's about $0.70 or so -- $0.60 more than what we've got with DIRECTV, I think.

John Guinee

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

All right. Thank you.

John Kilroy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Yes.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from John Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

John Kim

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

I may be mistaken, but I think I'm pretty tall from my culture. You had a busy leasing quarter and I realize that, but when the equity markets were in turmoil back in December, did you see any pullback in decision-making among any of your tech tenants that may have spilled over to this year?

John Kilroy

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

No. To the contrary, we do as I've mentioned many times before and Rob and others have mentioned, we have NDAs with quite a few people and when I say quite a few, I'm talking about dozens. And we share what we're doing, they share what they're doing and so forth. We've not seen any slowdown in people's rate of growth or their plans for growth. We've seen people have a shift deciding that they want to grow in a market versus another market because of labor. But, we haven't really seen any decline and this from a trend standpoint, I think we're pretty well set up. If you look at the vacancy rates in most of our markets, they are really frictional. They are anywhere from 1% to 3% or 4%. The one difference is our Del Mar market in San Diego, where the vacancy rate is higher, but if you break it down into the quality stuff, it's pretty low and we're seeing good demand up and down. I keep waiting for it to slow down and we just haven't seen it.

John Kim

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Okay. And on 100 Hooper and The exchange on the $70 million of stabilized NOI that you expect to get next year. Can you just update us on what you expect will be contributed this year, a quarter?

John Kilroy

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Yes. We didn't provide details by quarter. But as we said, our new development for 2019 will be generating $0.18 of effective FFO to the bottom-line or I should say NOI.

John Kim

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

For 2019?

John Kilroy

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Yes.

John Kim

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then Tyler, on the forward equity deal, is there any costs associated with waiting as far as when you execute the sale, in other words, are the proceeds dividend adjusted?

Tyler Rose

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Well, if we would have raised our dividend and when impacted, but if we don't change our dividend, then no, it has no cost.

John Kim

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

So logically, would you just execute 12 months after the transaction?

John Kilroy

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Yes. I mean it depends on the need for proceeds, if something came up earlier, we could draw down in pieces as well. So, it's sort of like an ATM, but at the moment, we are planning to draw it entirely in May.

John Kim

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Daniel Ismail with Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Daniel Ismail

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys, good morning. Can you provide an update on yield expectations for the academy resi and office component at One Paseo?

John Kilroy

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Academy resi and which?

Daniel Ismail

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

The office components in One Paseo?

John Kilroy

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Yes. I don't want to get in related to office yields while releasing. It's not a very good thing from a competitive standpoint. So, forgive me for not answering that one. On the resi, Tyler, where we are in the -- on Academy, we're sort of in the 60s range, is that right?

Tyler Rose

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Yes, 5% to 6% range.

Daniel Ismail

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Okay. And maybe on Columbia Square resi, the drop in occupancy quarter-over-quarter, can you give us an update on your plans for that asset?

John Kilroy

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Plans as in what?

Daniel Ismail

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Just on explaining why the drop in occupancy quarter-over-quarter?

John Kilroy

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Sorry, I think it's --

Steve Rosetta

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Columbia Square.

John Kilroy

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Oh Colombia Square, Steve, I beg your pardon. I thought you were saying One Paseo and I didn't get the connection, but Steve, you want to talk about One Paseo resi?

Steve Rosetta

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Sure. Hi, Daniel. So, we went through a management change in the fourth quarter at that asset and we have also been decreasing our short-term stays in that asset and going to a more of a traditional apartment rental market for longer-term occupancy. So, we had a near-term dip, but we anticipate that by year-end or Q3 of this year, we will be back around 95%.

Daniel Ismail

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks. And maybe just last one. Now, we're only about a month into 2019, but any commentary from tenants on Proposition C in San Francisco?

John Kilroy

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

You know, what's funny is that some of our biggest tenants have been really big supporters of that and I'm not hearing anything from anybody and we talk to them all the time. Rob, do you want to add to that?

Rob Paratte

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Yes. No, I think the reality, Daniel, is that tenants that need to be in San Francisco factor in the cost of occupancy and cities like San Francisco and New York, et cetera are going to have those sorts of levies. So, I mean, we monitor it obviously, but we're not hearing any pushback or seeing any.

Daniel Ismail

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Okay. Great. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Tyler Rose for any closing remarks.

Tyler Rose

Analyst

Thank you for joining us today. We appreciate your interest in KRC so long.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.