Good day, and welcome to the Second Quarter 2021 Kilroy Realty Corporation Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Michelle Ngo, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. On the call with me today are John Kilroy, Tyler Rose, Rob Paratte and Eliott Trencher. At the outset, I need to say that some of the information we will be discussing is forward-looking in nature. Please refer to our supplemental package for a statement regarding the forward-looking information on this call and in the supplemental. This call is being telecast live on our website and will be available for replay for the next 8 days, both by phone and over the Internet. Our earnings release and supplemental package have been filed on a Form 8-K with the SEC, and both are also available on our website. John will start the call with business conditions in our markets and then review our operational and strategic activities. I will discuss second quarter financial results and provide you with earnings guidance for 2021. Then, we'll be happy to take your questions. John?

Thank you, Michelle. Hello, everybody. Thank you for joining us today. We've had an extremely active and productive period since our last call. We signed several large long-term leases at strong rental rates. We continue to expand our life science portfolio, and we've completed acquisitions that continue to position us for future growth. Before I review the acquisitions, let me share our view on current market conditions. I'm happy to report that Kilroy's workforce is fully back in the office, and we are excited that more and more of our tenants are joining us. It is clear the U.S. economy is rebounding more quickly than expected. Every week brings more tenant leasing discussions and more requests for property tours. We are seeing strong job creation, high levels of capital investment, continued expansion and healthy financial performance from our major tenants and increasingly so from our mid to smaller tenants. And we continue to see high-quality well-located assets in our markets that are commanding strong valuations with record pricing. These factors are translating into increased leasing activity in office and residential as well as continued strength in our growing life science portfolio. Starting with office. Data on broader rent levels remains limited, but the information we do see suggest that office rents in our markets for premier quality properties and locations did not decline materially from pre-COVID levels. And some of our projects' rents are increasing once again. In San Diego, we recently executed the definitive agreement with a major technology company to develop and lease a 71,000 square foot office project in a market where rents have reached all-time highs, construction to commence later this year. We are also happy to report that the office component of our One Paseo project is now fully leased. The recent lease rates reflect…

Thank you, John. FFO was $0.88 per share in the second quarter, which was $0.05 higher than the midpoint of our guidance. $0.035 were due to better-than-expected operating results, including earlier than projected lease commencements and stronger leasing at One Paseo Residential and $0.015 were due to onetime items, including repayment of owed rents and lease termination fees. We are also happy to report we did not have COVID-related charges in the second quarter. In our same-store results, second quarter cash NOI was up 4.9%, reflecting strong rent growth and the onetime items noted above, which contributed 130 basis points to cash NOI. GAAP same-store NOI was up 5.5%, which was driven by $4.5 million of revenue reversals in 2020, or 2.3%, excluding the prior year reversals. At the end of the second quarter, our stabilized portfolio was 91.8% occupied and 93.6% leased, which were both up 30 basis points from the prior quarter, reflecting additional lease commencement. Overall, rent collection in the second quarter was 97% with office and life science rent collections of 98%. Turning to the balance sheet. After funding the acquisitions that totaled approximately $680 million, our liquidity today stands at approximately $2 billion, including $860 million in cash and full availability of $1.1 billion under the new revolver. With respect to Indeed Tower, you will note that we included the project in our development pipeline with a total estimated investment of $680 million. This total reflects our purchase price of $580 million, which includes $35 million of tenant improvement credits related to in-place leases and an incremental $100 million of leasing and carry costs to stabilization. We have no material debt maturities until 2023. Our net debt to Q2 annualized EBITDA was 5.8x. Now let's discuss our 2021 guidance provided in yesterday's earnings release. To…

[Operator Instructions] And the first question will come from Nick Yulico with Scotiabank.

Maybe first question for John or Rob. If you could just talk a little bit more about the activity of leasing in your markets for traditional office versus lab space, maybe if you can just go through some of your markets and talk about kind of stronger and weaker points, please.

Go ahead, Rob.

Yes, sure. Let me just touch on our markets. I'll go directly into San Francisco. Leasing activity in San Francisco, and I'm speaking about office, has nearly tripled quarter-to-quarter. So as John said in his remarks, there's a much different mood and attitude on the part of brokers as well as tenants. And many tenants we're seeing that during the pandemic had put their plans on hold for expansion. The relocation have now dusted off those plans and are back in the market. In the quarter in San Francisco, there were 15 transactions, over 100,000 square feet completed. And I think interestingly, 12 of those 15 are relocations or expansions. Right now, there are about 118 new tenant searches that have materialized in the past 5 weeks or so. JLL is tracking about 2 million square feet of transactions that are in LOI. And I would take a break right here to say that when you look at the sublease number, for example, of just under 9 million square feet in San Francisco, no doubt still a daunting number, but the data is backward looking, and there are transactions that have signed that have not yet -- tenants have not yet occupied that will bring that number down. And I think most notable, in San Francisco, is the Macys.com space, which we have talked about throughout all of our quarterly calls. That space came on the market prior to the pandemic, and they signed a 106,000 square foot sublease with a company called Benchling, which is a relocation and expansion. And again, this goes to one of the themes John has talked about continually on our calls about flight to quality. The Macy's space is an excellent location and the build-out is exactly what tech companies want. There's another transaction…

Very helpful. Just second question is a follow-up on the new leasing activity. I think, John, you did say earlier that 2/3 of the leasing in the second quarter was new leases. So new leases activities has picked up. I thought you said something about back half of the year getting closer to pre-COVID. I don't know if I heard that correctly. But maybe you could just -- I just want to also be clear that these are comments that were applicable to traditional office and not just lumping in some of the lab space leasing that you're getting done?

Yes. My comments were in terms of square footage leased. We were sort of doing a $2 million-plus run rate annually for the few -- 2 or 3 years before COVID. I don't have in my mind, Nick, how much of that was office and lab and new space and so forth. But we could submit our [indiscernible]. I think what I was trying to say is that the leasing activity has really picked up down here in San Diego with the exception of Kettner that is just going to be delivered here in another month or so, we -- every square foot we have that is -- that we've announced starting construction on or that we have in the portfolio is leased.

Okay. Great. Just a quick follow-up. I mean, does any of the recent news on Delta and now some more indoor mass potential in California, some delays in return to office? I mean does that maybe throw a bit of a slowdown into leasing in the market?

How do we know? It's -- I can tell you that I happen to be taking this call from our San Diego office, the others are up the Westside Media. You go up to San Francisco, you see people on the street. You see people in the restaurants. You didn't see any of that 2 months ago. Will it slow down again as a result of Delta? I'd be guessing. San Diego was much more open throughout the entire pandemic than the parts North. People wear their masks. It was much more vibrant. And I think that's going to continue to be the case. We just have to wait and see. That's why I made in my comments that there's going to be some ebb and flow. We can't say for sure, but we can say is that the people are back to business. They're making deals. We're having regular meetings, tours, expansion discussions. People are sharing with us what they're doing in other cities, what they're doing in Austin and so forth. So it's a whole different dynamic. But certainly, things could get -- could slow down, if the Delta thing becomes a big -- a bigger than it's -- well, its big now, but I don't know how to answer much further -- I'm stumbling a little bit because I'm not seeing anything but positive signs, but more to come.

The next question will come from Manny Korchman with Citi.

John, others, especially in life science space, talk about the difficulty in conversions and how that's going to help to control some of the oversupply or potential oversupply in the space. You seem pretty confident in converting your spaces and building a whole lot of new life science. So can you help us think about either what we're missing or what they're missing in terms of supply and why supply from others doesn't really worry you?

Well, you can never say supply from others doesn't worry us. What I've said in prior conference calls is that just because you call something life science or say you're going to convert it to "life science," doesn't mean they'll come. I've seen a lot of people buy stuff down here in San Diego as an example, with the ideas that they're going to convert the live clients and we wouldn't touch it. We wouldn't touch it because the adjacencies are wrong or because the physicality of the buildings, even when you convert, doesn't lend itself to high-quality. If you think about life science, at least, the starts, which are always a different piece. But life science companies want the same thing that other technology companies want, they want a place where they can have more of a campus where they can have scalability, where they can have the amenities in the environment that attracts and retains the best people. And that's where we're very focused. When I mentioned the conversions in UTC and the conversions in Del Mar, those are already strong life science markets. So we just happen to have buildings that are relatively new that are -- have the right kind of floor plates, the right kind of ceiling heights and structure and so forth that lend themselves in already established life science locations to be excellent candidates for conversion. I think there's a lot of people that are going to get their clocks clean that are playing this life science conversion game, a lot of them. I think there's been too much money raised in that space by a lot of companies that don't know what they're doing, and we get every day. I mean, almost everything we see with some old dog buildings that they've been flogging for the past 3 or 4 years and now all of a sudden, its a life science play. I just think there's going to be a lot of people that are going to get burned.

That's what's driving the question. And then in terms of --

I mean, put it this way, you can go buy a Volkswagen bug and say that you're going to haul freight. But I don't think you're going to do a very good job making money, because you got the wrong vehicle or the wrong -- in this case, a lot of these buildings -- I've gone out and looked at some of these things and I go, "You got to be kidding me. This is a waste of time, why are we here? Sizably, there's some slowing money out there.

And then just thinking about your own acquisitions, given that capital chasing the life science space, maybe a little bit less capital chase in the office space, are you more focused on finding office opportunities to use the proceeds you have left to use up or do you think you might be actually end up buying some life science space?

I don't see us -- we've not found any life science space to my knowledge that we bought since we bought the tech center, I think that's what its called, Oyster Point Tech Center, next to our Oyster Point development project, which we bought, had some life science in it. And it was right next to our property, and we bought it with the idea we'd convert it to a higher and better use as a Phase 5. And other than that, correct me, Tyler or Elliot, I don't think we bought anything that we -- that was life science or to convert to life science in the past 5, 6 years. Have we?

Yes, that's right. I think the last acquisition, as you said, was Oyster Point Tech, which was in early 2018.

Yes. So I guess, my point, Manny, is we're extremely disciplined with regard to what locations we want to be in and with regard to the physical it works. But what's nice for Kilroy is we've made a comment on this time and time again that, the average age of our portfolio is, I think, it's under 9 years -- under 10 years old. And so we've been building the buildings that have the kind of structural and have the kind of floor height and all the rest as office buildings. So if they happen to be in a life science market, they convert easily because they're physically already a long way towards what you need to accomplish, whereas the average office building has all kinds of problems, you start adding the mechanicals, and the floor loading and all the rest, they just don't comport to that. But I don't have any sights on acquiring a life science property, meaning an existing operating building at this time.

The next question will come from Blaine Heck with Wells Fargo.

Sorry about that. Can you hear me?

We can hear you.

Got you. Okay. So probably for John or Elliot, can you just talk about your appetite for additional investments in Austin at this point, whether you're looking for core acquisitions, value-add acquisitions or development opportunities and maybe even whether you're actively pursuing anything at this point?

Yes. Do you want to take that one, Elliot?

Sure. So we are, as you can imagine, pretty positive on the Austin market. We are looking to grow there. I'd say the profile of deals is across the spectrum. We tend to do most of our acquisitions on the value-add side or developments, but we have in the past occasionally bought a core deal. At this point, there's nothing that is imminent to -- and worth discussing, but -- our -- the expectation is that we'll continue to grow there over the next several years.

Great. That's helpful. And then just to follow up on that. Austin clearly fits the type of market you guys are interested in and a tenant profile that you guys know very well, but I think you could potentially argue the same for some other Sunbelt markets or submarkets. Can you talk about whether or not you have any interest in additional markets in the South or Southeast?

This is John. I'm not going to go there. We're going to be opportunistic when we think it's in the best interest of our shareholders and where we feel that we could have the right blend of demand and where we can have scale. With Indeed, as I made note of in my comments, we were able to buy best-in-class. It's very much a Kilroy kind of building. If I look at -- if it's at 10, I don't think there's a 7 in that city right now. There's some coming with some of the new buildings, but it really gave us a building that's representative type of thing that we do ourselves. And to further Elliott's comment, I don't see us buying core unless, for some reason, it is a lease in a real low rent and the opportunity to pop the rent significantly in the future. Value add has been our game for many years and development, of course, has been a very strong component of our activities. Whether that will take us beyond Austin at some point, I don't know. Right now, we're very focused on the 5 markets we're in, but Austin being the latest and we'll be assembling a team there we're in the process of that and made some real strides both with existing Kilroy people will be transferred as well as some new hires. But you will see us be a player there.

Got it. Okay. That's really helpful color. And then maybe if I could sneak one more in, just shifting gears a little bit here. We've clearly seen an increase in the cost of materials and difficulty in procuring some of the raw materials for construction. Given that you guys are commencing on a pretty major project in KOP Phase 2, can you talk about how you guys are dealing with the cost side of things and making sure you have all of the materials to avoid delays?

Yes. The materials have gone up. Labor has gone up. I think that one of the things we're watching, Blaine, is the -- it may have passed to that, I don't know, the infrastructure bill that Congress is doing. All these things compete for hammers and concrete and wire and all the rest. So what we do is we work, as active as we are, we work with all our contractors. We work with our architecture. We work with our vendors with regard to what they're saying, what they think we should be forecasting. We put in a lot of contingency, and we put in a lot of projected cost increases. -- I do not have COVID, but I've got my first cold in 2 years. You can probably hear us, so forgive me for coughing. We have been right on the money. In fact, we've tended to be overly conservative in our forecasting. I can't tell you specifically what's going to happen at any given time, but we are -- we've converted -- I think I mentioned this in the last year on conference calls, we're basically domestic sourcing everything that we can as opposed to buying from China or whatever. We're trying to make sure that we have within the supply chain control and that we have more visibility with regard to costing. We have people embedded on the factory floors, where things are being manufactured, whether it's window wall or elevators or whatever to make sure that we understand how -- whether people are on schedule and all the rest. So we have a pretty advanced model by which we manage this stuff and more to come. But there's a lot of competition right now for materials, and that's going to be exacerbated by this infrastructure bill.

The next question will come from Steve Sakwa with Evercore ISI.

A lot of my questions have been asked and answered. But I guess I just wanted to circle back, John, to the land parcel you did in San Diego. I couldn't help from your comments if you thought that, that was important to control in order to land a larger tenant in Kettner or if that's just kind of complementary and you like the area and you think that will kind of be 2 different projects?

I think it's both, Steve. It stands on its own. We have a lot of interest in Kettner right now. And if we broked it into a multi-tenant building, I think we'd lease it up very, very quickly. We also have a couple of big users that we're talking with that are coming back out of the wood work. And then the big case of big users, they do require more scale. So we think this is -- we're going to impact positively the value of the Pacific Avenue side, we call it the car wash because that's what it is. We remind you the name of the project, the car wash. But I think it stands on its own. We're positively impacting the value of that. These are the only 2 office buildings that can really be built in Little Italy. The 2100 Kettner, I think it's going to get probably the highest rents in the city. It's this particular piece of property where our young folks that's one of our stars, the people that owned it was able to [bid] them for us to buy it from them. So it gives us the opportunity to work with a big company and provide them with scalability up. It allows us to reap the benefits that accrue to that site from the development of 2100 Kettner. So it's kind of both.

The next question will come from Craig Mailman with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Michelle, maybe just on guidance. You noticed there's no acquisition assumed in guidance. Does that mean on the remaining $300 million, I know it's getting close to when you have to decide on the special dividend. Is that what's in the plan for the remainder of the proceeds that you guys had in shelter yet?

Yes. This is Tyler. Maybe I can take that. I mean we're still working through that. We have till the end of September to sort of finalize the 1031 plans and then there's other ways to shelter the gain as well. So more to come on that as we work through the year.

Okay. And then just separately, John, you noted -- you mentioned 20% to 25% of the portfolio could be life science at some point soon. And you guys have had a lot of good value creation in what you've done so far, but the stock doesn't seem to be getting maybe the valuation that maybe ARE or some others with life science have gotten. I mean, what would be the plan if you get to that 25% you guys are still trading at a similar NAV discount today to kind of narrowing that and getting people to understand the value of that life science piece?

Yes. I think it's incumbent upon us to make sure that the investment community and the analyst community do give us recognition. We recognize that value, and I think they will. But we got to make sure they understand it. And I think if they take a look at the quality of the life science that we have, they're going to see that we're a notch above most.

Would you ever spin it out or do something separate to realize that value?

Well, I'm not going to say 1 way or the other, but you just saw sell a state-of-the-art office building in San Francisco that was only a couple of years old. And if you'd ask me a couple of years before, what we see in the future or in the relatively short-term future, the sale of that asset, I would have said very unlikely, but who knows? I mean if you look at the resi -- if you look at our resi right now, that's for trade in the 3s. And if you look at our life science, I think that would trade at a very low cap rate as well. And in fact, office right now, the spacing, until people know more about back to work in office demand characteristics, the office companies are going to lag. But one thing we have is the best product. There's nobody in the office area, if it's public -- with a scale similar to ours that has the quality of the locations and the quality of product, the newness of product that Kilroy has. So I'm confident we're going to end up with that being valued as we sort through things over this next 1 year or 2.

The next question will come from Jamie Feldman with Bank of America.

I think, John, in your opening remarks, you had commented that you're increasingly seeing small tenants active in the market for leasing. Can you just talk more about maybe what's changed this quarter or even in the last month or so in terms of the types of tenants that are looking for space and in which markets?

Okay. Rob, do you want to take that one?

Sure. Jamie, let me start with San Francisco. I think one of the most interesting things going on in the city right now is that a great bulk of the tenant activity that's going on in the market aside from the larger deals, I had mentioned that it signed, are the tenants in the 15,000 to 35,000 foot range are very active, and they had pretty much been on the sidelines for 1.5 years, including coming out of the pandemic. And I think that's a really important precursor or indicator of what the future will be because these smaller tenants are typically the ones that you read about if they had a lease expiring, they'll just not renew and have everyone work from home and all that sort of thing. And we're starting to see that sort of pick up in the market. I think also, if you look at our Long Beach project, where we've done, we have about 46,000 square feet in leases right now in discussions. Those are primarily smaller tenants and several of them -- over half of them are new deals, not renewals. So you're seeing a pickup in the smaller tenant market, some of it's tech and VC backed, but also some of its just private sector, architects and et cetera, that use space and occupy urban areas.

Okay. And then I guess sticking with San Francisco, and we keep hearing about safety issues, crime, homelessness. I mean, would you -- are tenants holding off to see if things improve or that's not really impacting the leasing market at this point?

It's not impacting the leasing market. And I would say that as people -- as John mentioned, people are -- the city is much more full than it was 6 weeks ago. And as people are reoccupying the city, and this isn't just San Francisco, but other urban areas. The more workers that are back in the city, it is having a sort of displacement effect on the homeless. So they are being kind of moved out of the financial areas, if you will, probably on their own volition, but we haven't seen any pullback. And in fact, the major tech companies that are in San Francisco, including Google, continue to remain bullish on it and continue to invest in space and expansions.

I'd go for a little different twist, if I may, Rob. We may not see eye to eye on everything here. I do think the homelessness issue is a serious problem for some people. And if you have those folks camped out in front of your building, it's going to impact you. Rob is right that as things have returned more towards normal, but certainly not normal, that the homeless thing has been pushed off to different areas, but we just have a real fundamental problem in California with the homeless situation. And it stems from the fact that a couple of years ago, the citizens voted for proposition to decriminalize drug use. And therefore, they let out tens of thousands of drug users and drug sellers and a large portion of those folks ended up on the streets and then we've had the decriminalization of drug, but the decriminalization of drugs has unfortunately come to decriminalization of drug sales. And we have this idiot, district attorneys in Los Angeles and San Francisco, much like you have back in year -- nephew was, and they're absolutely stupid individuals and they're misguided, in my mind. And so homeless is an issue that we have to deal with. It's -- we have to deal with it. We have a recall going on in California right now to recall Governor Newsom. And so that's on the ballot here shortly in September. And if that is voted for, concurrently, they're voting for who will be the next Governor. And my view is -- get Newson out of here, he's an idiot. And we've got to solve these problems. And so Jamie, the reality is homelessness does hurt, notwithstanding, we're seeing increased leasing and whatnot. But I don't want to be pollyannish about homelessness. It is a real problem in this country. That's a real problem in California.

All right. I appreciate your thoughts and hopefully, you can fix it everywhere, obviously, a major issue in a lot of cities. And then can you just talk about maybe the net effective rent side? I know markets are clearly stabilizing and even starting to improve. Are you seeing any change in the net effective rents? And can you talk maybe about how you think your mark-to-market looks now with competitive leasing spreads in the quarter?

Sure. Jamie, it's Rob again. Up in Seattle, I think, let's just start with Bellevue. I think you're going to continue to see net effective rent growth probably in the mid- to high single digits. Seattle itself, I think, you're seeing -- have the opportunity to see some rent growth starting in the CBD, especially for high-quality space. San Francisco, if anything, it's probably slightly off. But if you look at the trophy quality assets that have space so, for example, the Bank of America Center, Embarcadero Center, One Market Plaza, they continue to -- they have transacted during the pandemic and continue to transact in the $112 to $115 fully serviced rental rate range. And those are pre-pandemic rates. So I would say for trophy quality, these space rates are holding and may uptick. There's a real shortage right now of view space, and it is in high demand in San Francisco, which again goes back to John's previous comments about this flight to quality that we'll see in all of our markets. I think Oyster Point, and I don't want to get into predicting rent growth there, but with what I said earlier about 1 million square feet of transactions that should close in the next 2 quarters, we think there's continued pressure on rents there. Los Angeles, again, I think, is probably, I would call it even with -- there has been quite a bit of activity on the West side, which is good to see because of the large movements by Hulu and Snapchat and others. And then San Diego, again, I don't like to generalize on rent growth. It's very specific. So UTC, you're going to see significant rent growth. I think Del Mar, Carmel Valley, you're going to see rent growth. And I think as John was saying earlier, as you see tenants migrating into the I-56 Corridor, you're going to see rent growth there as well. And Austin, frankly, I think there is some real movement in rent and that tenants are coming back, big tech is back. Apple -- as John mentioned, the big ones that are there already, but Apple, Tesla, Oracle are all, aside from the fact, they have major campuses, they're expanding now. They've just started expansion plans for facilities there. So Austin is going to have, I think, a pretty good run-up of rental rates, particularly in the CBD because young people are coming back into the Central Business District.

Yes. And Jamie, you asked about mark-to-market. I think we said our overall portfolio pre-COVID was roughly 20% below market. And given the limited data points, but given the momentum in transactions, I think if we were to guess where it is today, we'd say it's plus/minus 15% or so.

The next question will come from Frank Lee with BMO.

Rob, you touched a bit about this, but I want to ask about tenant sentiment in Austin versus San Francisco. On one hand, you have like Austin leading the U.S. in terms of office utilization while SF is near the bottom. Are you seeing any notable trends in terms of how tenants are evaluating space needs or tenants making quicker decisions? I'm basically trying to get a sense that there's any significant correlation between higher utilization rates and leasing demand or timing?

Not really seeing the correlation. I mean the tenant sentiment in Austin, keep in mind, a lot of the tenants in Austin are also tenants in the Bay Area, Silicon Valley, Seattle, New York, et cetera. And the large tech companies are very optimistic about Austin. We spoke a lot to our clients in our due diligence and looking and exploring Austin, and all of them have plans to -- that are there to stay and grow. And just by the statistic that I think you might find interesting, the Economic Development Corporation has 267 different companies looking at moving to Austin or expanding in Austin from other areas. So it's a very vibrant market, a very business-friendly market. We found it relatively easy to penetrate the business community and really get to know who the movers and shakers are there. So we're very excited, as John said, about just the whole outlook for Austin. But back to your question, I just don't see a correlation between the 2. I think, if anything, San Francisco return to office has been slower than other urban areas. And so that does impact how quickly tenants can assess how their space is going to be used and what their space needs are.

Okay. And then you mentioned the $170,000 of leasing already in the third quarter, is the majority of this quarter's leasing also largely new leases, maybe outside the life science deal at El Camino? And then do you have a sense that these new tenants are upgrading their spaces or just simply relocations?

Well, on the latter part of the question, they're upgrading their spaces. We're seeing tenants investing money, whether they're renewing or expanding, investing quite a bit of money into their premises. It's all about the one constant throughout everything has been recruiting and retention of talent. And the companies we talk to are essentially doubling down. There's a lot of news in the press about Google, et cetera, making major investments in their space to further make it attractive for people coming back to work.

And Frank, on the 170 of new -- of leases signed quarter-to-date, those are all new leases.

The next question will come from Dave Rogers with Baird.

Yes. Maybe John or Rob, I just had a question. You just talked about smaller leases being more active, larger tenants still a little bit more hesitant to make decisions. I guess, what gets those larger tenants to make decisions on the West Coast here in the near term? Is it COVID related? Is it something else? It seems like there's plenty of hiring that's been coming back. And then maybe the second part of that question is as you build bigger spaces, KOP Phase 2 and Kettner kind of north of $200,000, how do you think about kind of Flower Mart and where that then fits in, in the long run and when the demand comes back for something like that?

John, do you want me to handle part of that or you -- okay.

Sorry, I was on mute. Let me just start off on. I don't think we wanted to indicate that big tenants are sitting and it's little tenants and mid that are active. We said -- my comments were that the big tenants of many examples of them growing substantially, but we're also now seeing mid and smaller tenants do the same. So Rob, you go ahead.

Yes. And I think -- I can't name names, and I just -- wish I could to give more color, but large tech are focusing on expansion and particularly in San Francisco. We talked about Seattle. And I think you're going to see a lot of or hear a lot of announcements in the next quarter to that effect. But again, I guess -- the last thing I'd say, Dave, is that companies are -- there's no doubt there's a hybrid work model, right? On the other hand, there's no doubt hiring has continued during the pandemic with tech. So what companies want to do is assess how that lays out on an office floor. And they're not really going to be able to do that efficiently until -- understand it until people are really back to work. And what does the hybrid model mean? It can be all over the map. And it's going to be, as John said, sort of an ebb and flow. But no doubt week by week, month by month, there are more people coming into the office and into the cities.

Okay. Yes, fair enough. Maybe just 2 quick follow-ups then. With respect to Austin and your plans for expansion at some point in the future, are you open to all the submarkets there or at least are there key submarkets you'd look at? Would you consider the domain? Are you focused primarily downtown? And then the second question, maybe just for Michelle. You've covered in your guidance the capped interest and NOI for Indeed. But when do you expect GAAP revenue recognition for Indeed to begin?

Yes. I guess I can take that technical question and Elliott or John can take the first part. On Indeed Tower, we're expecting roughly 100,000 square feet of tenants to move in towards the end of the year, and then Indeed will depend on when they build out their TIs. And we think that could start sometime in the second half of next year.

And on Austin, I think that our strategy is similar to other markets where we're kind of focused on more urban but in particular, amenitized submarkets. I think that you hit on some of them. There are some others, but we're generally focused on areas where there are a lot of walkable amenities that kind of fit with the balance of what we've done across our other locations.

The next question will come from Daniel Ismail with Green Street Advisors.

You mentioned a variety of potential new developments and redevelopments during the call, and I'm just curious on the funding side, just how you plan to fund those, whether it's through accelerated dispositions or presumably common equity is not a consideration given what the stock rate is today?

Yes. This is Tyler. I mean, we have over $800 million of cash and full availability on our bank line, as Michelle mentioned. So in the near term, we have plenty of capital to fund the development we talked about. And also, we have, as you said, disposition opportunities and all the other alternatives we've always had. Equity is always an option. It's not our first choice at this point for sure. But right now, it's a cash use.

Great. And then a few of your peers have become more bullish on spec office starts in the Sunbelt, specifically and then also one in Silicon Valley. And I'm curious, just given the resiliency of Trophy and Class A office rents as well as the demands by tech tenants, if that's changed your plans or moved forward plans on Flower Mart better than it was, say, last quarter?

John, do you want to handle that?

I'd handle except I was -- I thought I was talking without being muted. I didn't -- but every other word in the -- you're really pretty quiet to my ear. So could you restate the question, please. Or if you heard it Rob or Elliott, you guys go ahead and handle it, but I just couldn't hear it.

Yes, sure. I don't mind restating. It was based on spec office starts. A few of the areas have become more bullish on speculative office starts, particularly in the Sunbelt and then one of your peers potentially looking at going back on a Silicon Valley office development. I'm just curious, given the resiliency of Trophy and Class A office rents across your footprint, just you've considered doing that or if that's changed planned on the Flower Mart?

No. At this point, the Flower Mart, what we've done, and I think cleverly so is, to sort of reimagine the Flower Mart still essentially the same project, but we now have the ability to do 4 distinct phases that are all plus or minus. They're all within 100,000, 200,000 square feet size-wise of one another, and they all could stand on their own. So we were able to work with the city and work with the architects and we're out that so that it -- originally, we thought we were going to have to do a first phase that was roughly 1.2 million square feet. So roughly half the projects. We now have -- don't hold me this exactly, Daniel, because I don't have the numbers in my head, but they're all roughly 500,000, 600,000 square foot phases. So we think we made the project more attractive from a standpoint of development and risk management and the ability to have it be more individualized for companies that want to have their name on a building. In terms of starting the project spec, I think we need to see San Francisco clean up its act and also see the return to work and get a few solid quarters under our belt before Kilroy would consider doing a spec project in the city. And that's my view. We have plenty of places to invest. There are, at this point, a more certain bet. That's not to suggest in any way, shape or form that the Flower Mart is something that has cooled our interest. It's just that timing is everything. So if I know the fish are biting in these 2 locations and they may not be as evident a third, where am I going to cast my line.

Got it. I appreciate the color. And then maybe just one last one for me. We've seen private market values for Class A and Trophy office hold pretty firm across the U.S., but I'm curious how you view land values change since the start of pandemic? As you're going out there and looking to acquire land sites, how much do you think those values have changed for good development opportunities across your footprint?

Yes. I think it changed a lot. If you look at some of the transactions, and I'm not sure all these have been announced yet, but we take a look at everything. We build on some the order of magnitude -- Elliot, feel free to correct me here, but order of magnitude over the last couple of years, we've seen Bellevue land prices on an FAR basis more than doubled. And I think you're going to see that in a lot of different markets. It's a function of demand and supply. And obviously, we need to start to throw in the importance of walkability and transportation access and so forth. There's reasons why certain sites command much higher value. Obviously, they produce -- causes the -- overall project could cost more. And of course, you got to have a higher rent to justify. But for most of the big tech companies and others with high profit margins, real estate is not their big expense. It's their people. And so real estate, I'd say, they don't want to get a good deal. But we don't see anybody arguing about rental rates in most of the markets we've been reporting on today where they're at record high rents. It's more about can I get the building and location I want? Now I will say that in the case of the buildings that we've mentioned that, -- where we've leased them down here in San Diego since the last quarter, in all cases, we had 2 or 3 deep letters of intent with people bidding on the sites. In some case, people had [indiscernible] and they exercised it. And this is a phenomenon that's going on. It's why we've heard us say before, just as there's a bifurcation between high-quality buildings that really support to the modern user and older style buildings that may not, it's the same very similar characteristic in various locations, and that's going to translate to higher land value. Land is scarce.

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Michelle Ngo for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

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