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Loews Corporation (L)

Q1 2013 Earnings Call· Mon, Apr 29, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Jackie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Loews First Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Mary Skafidas, Vice President of Investor and Public Relations. Please go ahead.

Mary Skafidas

Analyst

Thank you, Jackie, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to Loews Corporation's First Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. A copy of our earnings release may be found on our website, loews.com. On this call this morning, we have our Chief Executive Officer, Jim Tisch; and our Chief Financial Officer, Peter Keegan. Following their prepared remarks this morning, we will have a question-and-answer session. Before we begin, however, I will remind you that this conference call might include statements that are forward looking in nature. Actual results achieved by the company may differ materially from those projections made in any forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements reflect circumstances at the time they are made, and the company expressly disclaims any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. This disclaimer is only a brief summary of the company's statutory forward-looking statements disclaimer, which is included in the company's filings with the SEC. During the call today, we might also discuss non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our security filings for a reconciliation to the most comparable GAAP measures. I will now turn the call over to Loews' Chief Executive Officer, Jim Tisch.

James S. Tisch

Analyst

Thank you, Mary. Good morning, and thank you for joining us on our call today. Loews had net income of $242 million, or $0.62 per share, for the first quarter of 2013 as compared to $367 million, or $0.92 per share, for the same quarter last year. Results for the quarter were impacted by an after-tax ceiling test impairment charge at HighMount of $92 million as compared to an impairment charge of $28 million in the prior year. After these charges, which Pete will describe in more detail later in the call, our net income for the quarter would have been $334 million, or $0.85 per share, in 2013 as compared to $395 million, or $0.99 per share, in the first quarter of 2012. The decrease in net income for the quarter was due to reduced investment income at Loews and slightly lower earnings at Diamond. Let's take a closer look at a result and progress of each of our subsidiaries, starting with CNA. CNA had a good quarter and continued to improve its underwriting performance through risk selection and pricing discipline while generating premium growth. Excluding catastrophes and prior year development, CNA saw continued improvement in the P&C combined ratio, with a year-over-year decrease of just over 1 point and a 2.2-point improvement over the last quarter. Overall, net premium growth for the company's core P&C operations exceeded 10%. Rate increases contributed to this premium growth, averaging 7.7% across P&C operations for the quarter as contrasted to 4% during the first quarter of 2012. The inclusion of Hardy in the first quarter contributed approximately 3 points of CNA's 10% premium growth. While we are pleased with CNA's growth momentum, we expect CNA to remain focused on improving its underwriting margin. As you have heard on recent CNA calls, this…

Peter W. Keegan

Analyst

Well, thanks, Jim. And good morning, everyone. Loews Corporation today reported net income of $242 million, or $0.62 per share, for the first quarter 2013 as common $367 million, or $0.92 per share, for the first quarter of 2012. As Jim mentioned, net income in the first quarter includes an after-tax ceiling test impairment charge at HighMount of $92 million related to its carrying value of natural gas and oil properties as compared to an impairment charge of $28 million for the prior year quarter. Excluding the noncash ceiling test impairment charges, the decrease in Loews' net income is due to slightly lower earnings at Diamond and reduced investment income at the parent company. Investment income decreased by $45 million after tax, primarily due to lower performance of equity-based investments, partially offset by improved performance of fixed-income investments in the trading portfolio. CNA's contribution to Loews' net income for the first quarter was $226 million, which was also its contribution in the first quarter 2012. Earnings were consistent with prior year, primarily due to improved current year non-catastrophe underwriting results, offset by lower investment income, higher catastrophe losses, including non-cat-related weather losses, and a slight decrease in net favorable prior year developments. Diamond Offshore's contribution to net income for the first quarter 2013 was $82 million compared to $87 million in the prior year quarter. Results for the first quarter were impacted by lower utilization, primarily from an increase in planned downtime due to scheduled rigs surveys, which resulted in fewer revenue-earning days for the quarter. The Ocean Whittington and the Ocean Ambassador are currently stacked, while both were working in 2012. In addition, the prior year quarter concluded the sale of the jack-up rig Ocean Colombia, resulting in an after-tax gain of approximately $16 million. Diamond's effective tax rate…

Mary Skafidas

Analyst

Thank you, Pete. Jackie, at this time, we'd like to open up the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Michael Millman with Millman Research.

Michael Millman - Millman Research Associates

Analyst

I actually have 2 questions, one is with Boardwalk. What kind of risk is there in terms of the buyers contracts or some of the contracts failing in some way? And second is more broadly, now that the market has continued to go up, are acquisitions even looking less positive to you than they might have a couple of years ago?

James S. Tisch

Analyst

Well, first of all, with respect to risk at Boardwalk, tell me specifically what you're referring to?

Michael Millman - Millman Research Associates

Analyst

Well, I'm referring to that there are contracts out there and I don't know if something goes wrong with the supplier, the field blows up or if the buyer -- if bankruptcy -- what kind of protection...

James S. Tisch

Analyst

So historically, we have -- credit quality has not been a problem for us at Boardwalk, that all of our customers have generally paid on time and that has not been an issue for us. So it's something we tend not to worry about too much. In terms of acquisitions, we keep looking, we keep kicking tires. You're right, equity values have gone up, but interest rates are still very low. And we haven't given up in our quest to look for something and find something that fits us and is just right for us.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Bob Glasspiegel with Langen McAlenney.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Pete, you went through the role of the cash too quickly for me. It looked like your dividends were $70 million more than buyback plus dividends paid, but your cash went down by $200 million. Was there a debt payment or something else in there?

Peter W. Keegan

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

No, we are contributing money to hotels to help on their growth plan. So we've added a bunch of hotels there.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Okay. I haven't seen the Q if it's come out yet. What's your investment in hotels now? Do you have a figure from some of the parts?

Peter W. Keegan

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

I don't have that readily available.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

So I'd assume the difference in the data mix is...

Peter W. Keegan

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

[indiscernible] and a small amount into HighMount in the quarter.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

I'm sorry?

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

And a small amount into the HighMount in the quarter.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Okay. You said you had -- the impairment charge was driven by lower oil prices, did you say, and lower reserves?

Peter W. Keegan

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Keep in mind, this is a 4-quarter look back of the prices. In the first quarter, natural gas prices actually went up slightly, and NGL and oil prices went down. And it's that in combination with the calculation of reserves and production. This is a very complicated calculation, which drove that impairment.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Okay. If we just -- if we freeze prices where they are today, are there more impairments coming? Or are we through the -- is there light at the end of the tunnel and there's -- I mean, if we freeze everything today...

Peter W. Keegan

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Well, if you freeze prices, it's hard to say because the other part of calculation is reserves and production. So it's really hard to...

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Okay. Well, you made your best guess on reserves and production today, right, so that shouldn't wiggle if we freeze that?

Peter W. Keegan

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Yes. But in the accounting, keep in mind, we capitalize all of our spending. So you're constantly increasing the base against which this is calculated.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Okay. Can you remind me what the Boardwalk general partnership dividends are running in quarter or what they were last year?

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Yes, I have that here. For the general partners, we received about $10 million a quarter.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Okay. And we're in the maximum phase, right, of the earn...

Peter W. Keegan

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

They're 50%.

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

The high split, yes.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

We're in the high split so -- I mean, it's now just going to grow with their overall dividends, right? There's not a step to that, there's not an accelerator?

Peter W. Keegan

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

There's not another step function in the split, no. That's the highest level it goes to.

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

The only split beyond 50% is everything, and I don't think we're ever going to get there.

Peter W. Keegan

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

That isn't part of the formula.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Right. Is there an endgame on -- I mean, is Boardwalk one of these like Buffet, we're going to own it forever, we love it. Is there a way you could capitalize that...

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Bob, we love all of our children, and we're very positive about all of them. And we don't think about disposing of any of them.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Okay. I'm just saying you've got sort of -- in your sum of the parts, you used to sort of like try to value the pieces. Now we're sort of left to our own, and so we've got a $40 million growing annual earnings power that...

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

You mean in the GP?

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Right.

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Okay.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

I'm just trying to think of how we should think of that as an asset, a growing $40 million dividend base annually. You're not going to give me any help to think about it or how to think about it?

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

No, sorry.

Robert Glasspiegel - Langen McAlenney

Analyst · Langen McAlenney.

Okay, so left to my own volition, I'll take a stab at it, but your insights on that would be appreciated, as always.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of David Adelman with Morgan Stanley.

David J. Adelman - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Jim, can you enlighten us a little bit about the lower investment income from equity performance, given the backdrops that the S&P did quite well in the first quarter?

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Yes, we had some investments in bread-and-butter S&P 500 stocks, but we also have some investments in gold and mining shares. And those penalized the total returns for the quarter.

David J. Adelman - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Okay. And then in the discussion, Pete, with the potential prospects of additional impairment through the remainder of the year, I think last year after the first quarter, you indicated sort of what it would likely be the remainder of the year. Is there a reason you're not doing that now for the rest of the year?

Peter W. Keegan

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Yes, the reason we could do it last year is there was a clear trend of pricing, David, and so we knew what was coming because of the way you calculate this thing or at least you could get within a reasonable range of what was coming. Where prices are right now and when you're at the ceiling, it's really very hard as you look forward to predict what's going to move things. We might have 0 points. So your guess is as good as mine as to what you think is going to happen to pricing in the next quarter.

David J. Adelman - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Okay. And then one other question and the last question for me on HighMount. Can you help us sort of understand, particularly with the effort to go after natural gas liquids and oil, both -- what's the incremental return on investment you think you'll be able to generate? And secondly, what's the scale of the potential opportunity? In other words, what can the ongoing cash flow get towards in the current commodity environment?

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

So for both the Mississippian Lime and also Sonora, the cash flow right now is driven primarily by gas prices. And as you've heard me say, I don't think that gas prices are going to increase significantly from here. I think between $4 and $5 for natural gas, we are at what I would call an equilibrium price, where there's a lot of production that can come on, assuming that there's demand for the natural gas. However, with respect to oil and NGLs, it's a completely different story. In both the Mississippian Lime and especially in Sonora, we have relatively few oil and NGL wells. We're doing a -- what I would call a major science experiment in both places, trying to -- we know that there are hydrocarbons on our properties, and we can produce them. And now we are trying to figure out how to produce them commercially and economically. And if we do figure out how to do that, and I'm hopeful that we will over the next few years, then there will be significant investment opportunities for us to invest in development wells on these properties. So you asked about cash flow. My guess is that there won't be significant operating cash flow from those properties for the next several years because we're going to have to invest in the oil and NGL wells that will produce the gas -- the cash flow from those properties. But that over time, if we embark on this investment program, if we're able to figure out how to produce from these areas commercially, then there could be a significant cash flow from the property.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Andy Baker with Barclays.

Andrew Baker

Analyst · Barclays.

A couple of questions. One, just want to make sure I haven't missed something along the way, the Boardwalk pipeline Class B shares, I believe they are convertible after June 30 of this year and they move up to the sort of full dividend receipt. So that's before the next time we'll hear from you guys. I just want to see if that's something you actually intend to do to convert those at that time.

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Barclays.

Yes, we do.

Andrew Baker

Analyst · Barclays.

Okay, great. And then, Jim, just sort of bigger picture-wise, we've talked in the past about how the industrial economy, in general, could look to convert over towards natural gas and, over time, significantly increase the demand side of that equation. I think we haven't discussed this really in about 6 months. Any sort of anecdotal evidence you're seeing that those people who could perhaps make the transition are making progress in that regard?

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Barclays.

It almost sounds like the shale question. I landed in Houston -- no, sorry, I landed in New Orleans for some meetings that I had there, and I was -- as I was getting into the car, the driver opened -- popped open the trunk of the car, and I was just about to throw my bags in, and there I saw what look like a big scuba tank and it said, "propane." And so I asked the driver about it. And in fact, that was a propane-fueled automobile. Now I don't think that growth in natural gas liquids is going to come from Lincoln Town Cars running on propane gas. But if you read the trade press, you can see that there's a lot of talks about LNG for trucks and as well for locomotives. And my guess is that's where the growth is going to come from, as well as from inner-city delivery trucks that work the streets during the day and come back to a garage at night. So I'm a believer that we're going to see significant increases in demand for our natural gas. And I also think that significant demand increase is going to come from the exportation of natural gas, which should begin in the next 2, 3 or 4 years.

Andrew Baker

Analyst · Barclays.

Just one other thing, with interest rates moving down to the lows here again, just wondering what your sort of thought is on interest rate movement going forward and how that could potentially impact your investments, particularly on the credit side?

James S. Tisch

Analyst · Barclays.

I think interest rates, as I said in my comments, are very low. We're frustrated by how low they are. We'd like them to go higher. We are -- for CNA, we maintain a -- for our non-matched accounts, which represents about 2/3 of the assets at CNA, we maintain a duration of under 5 for the portfolio. And what we're doing is we're basically investing new cash flow in 10-year securities. And as they roll down the yield curve over time, we picked up a pretty good rate of return on those investments. But investing in -- with that type of strategy is truly a kiss-your-sister type of strategy. There's nothing at all exciting about it, and what we'd really like to see is higher interest rates. I think that a lot of the price increases that we're able to see -- that we're seeing now in the insurance market are the -- is the result of such low interest rates. So what the legacy assets are running off, the companies need to earn a rate of return on their capital. And since they can't get it from their investing operations, they have to get it from their underwriting operations. And so I think we're seeing that in clear view now.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we have no further questions. I'd now like to turn the floor back over to Mary Skafidas for any closing remarks.

Mary Skafidas

Analyst

Great. Thank you, Jackie, and thank you, all, for your continued interest in Loews. A replay will be available on our website, loews.com, in approximately 2 hours. That concludes today's call.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.