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Liberty Broadband Corporation (LBRDK)

Q4 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 27, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Liberty Broadband 2024 Year-end Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Shane Kleinstein, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Shane.

Shane Kleinstein

Analyst

Thank you, and good morning. Before we begin, we'd like to remind everyone that this call includes certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual events or results could differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties including those mentioned in the most recent Form 10-K filed by Liberty Broadband with the SEC. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this call, and Liberty Broadband expressly disclaims any obligation or undertaking to disseminate any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statements contained herein to reflect any change in Liberty Broadband's expectations with regard thereto or any change in events, conditions or circumstances on which any such statement is based. On today's call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures for Liberty Broadband, including adjusted OIBDA. Information regarding the comparable GAAP metrics, along with required definitions and reconciliations, including preliminary notes and schedules 1 and 2 can be found in the earnings press release issued today as well as earnings releases for prior periods, which are available on Liberty Broadband's website. Speaking on today's call, we have Liberty Broadband's Chief Accounting Officer and Principal Financial Officer, Brian Wendling; Liberty's Executive Vice President and Treasurer, Ben Oren, and available to answer questions, we will have Ron Duncan, the CEO of GCI, Pete Pounds, CFO of GCI; Renee Wilm, Liberty's Chief Legal and Administrative Officer; and Marty Patterson, Liberty's Co-Head of Corporate Development. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Brian.

Brian Wendling

Analyst

Thank you, Shane, and good morning, everyone. On November 12, we entered into definitive agreement for Liberty Broadband to be acquired by Charter. We believe this transaction provides certainty for our shareholders trading liquidity for both Charter and Liberty Broadband and serves in the best interest of all shareholders. Today, we'll provide a brief update on the transaction before turning to the results of the GCI business and then opening it up to Q&A. A quick review of the terms of the transactions. Holders of the Liberty Broadband Series A, B and C common stock will each receive $0.236 of a share of Charter common stock for each share of Liberty Broadband held. We received Liberty Broadband shareholder approval yesterday, February 26. The transaction is still expected to close on June 30, 2027, unless otherwise agreed to, we're very optimistic about Charter's future and look forward to continuing our strong partnership with them over the next 2.5 years. Liberty Broadband has agreed to spin off GCI prior to the transaction close to Liberty Broadband shareholders. The GCI distribution is expected to be taxable to Liberty Broadband and its stockholders. Charter has agreed to bear the corporate level tax liability upon completion of that transaction. The corporate level tax liability exceeds $420 million. Charter will be entitled to share and certain tax benefits realized by GCI under the terms of the merger agreement. The distribution of GCI will provide incremental value to shareholders that is not captured in the exchange ratio with Charter. Ron Duncan will be the new CEO of the entity and called GCI Liberty, which is a throwback to GCI Liberty's old public days, and he'll also remain the CEO of GCI Opco. We expect to complete the spin-off in late Q2 or early Q3 of this year,…

Ben Oren

Analyst

Thank you, Brian. At quarter end, Liberty Broadband had consolidated cash and restricted cash of $229 million, which includes $75 million of cash and restricted cash at GCI. There was $65 million of restricted cash at Liberty Broadband as of year-end, representing proceeds from Charter share sales to be used towards debt service. At quarter end, GCI leverage was 3.1 turns with sufficient cushion relative to the 6.5x minimum net leverage covenant threshold stipulated in the credit facility. And GCI had $342 million of undrawn capacity under its revolver net of letters of credit. The value of our Charter investment based on our shares held as of February 1 and Charter's share price at yesterday's close was $15.9 billion. At quarter end, Liberty Broadband had a total principal amount of debt of $3.7 billion. Note, this excludes preferred stock. Under the terms of the agreement with Charter, Charter will repurchase $100 million of its Class A common stock from Liberty Broadband each month until the transaction closes. If necessary, Charter will repurchase a greater amount of shares or make loans to Liberty Broadband sufficient for Liberty Broadband to satisfy its debt obligations as they come due. Proceeds from Charter share sales that are applied to debt service will be tax free. From November 1 through January 31, Liberty Broadband received $205 million of proceeds from Charter share sales. Such proceeds are included in restricted cash and to be used for debt service at Liberty Broadband within 6 months of receipts. As Brian mentioned, the spin-off of GCI is expected to be completed in late Q2, early Q3 of this year, after which we expect Ron Duncan, GCI management, and our team will separately conduct an earnings process for the spun-off entity. We appreciate your continued interest in Liberty Broadband. And with that, operator, we'd like to open the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from Kutgun Maral from Evercore ISI.

Kutgun Maral

Analyst

Great. A few if I could. First, as we and investors do a lot more work on GCI Liberty, ahead of the spin-off this summer. Can you help us think about the competitive backdrop today and how you see it evolving, particularly with increased focus in the market around Starlink and other satellite operators on top of fixed wireless competition. And then maybe with greater clarity on the timing of the spin-off set for this summer. Maybe you could help provide an update on the gating factors for moving up to close with Charter ahead of the June 2027 date. And sorry, just last one. There have been a lot of headlines recently around government subsidies for broadband build-outs, particularly with speed. So maybe you could provide an update on how you're thinking about subsidies and how it fits into your expectations for the next few years at GCI.

Ron Duncan

Analyst

Ben or somebody do you want to take the timing one first and then I'll combine the market and the government subsidies into 1 answer.

Brian Wendling

Analyst

Real quick on timing of the GCI spend and then we'll turn it over to Marty to talk about broadband and Charter transaction. But the timing of GCI spend, we would expect to close late second quarter, early third quarter as we continue to work through kind of audit uplifts and SEC process.

Marty Patterson

Analyst

Yes, Kutgun, as it relates to the timing of the broadband transaction itself, as we and Charter talked about, this transaction provides a couple of objectives for us. It allows for an early transitions on the governance rights, the existing partnership that we have with Charter to continue through the 2027 close date. It also allows Charter to reduce or broadband to reduce its level of net debt prior to closing. So that impact for the broadband shareholders is it provides certainty today under a time line that works for both parties. In terms of things that could happen from here to accelerate the time line, really, that would be if we mutually agree with Charter to accelerate close.

Brian Wendling

Analyst

Ron, do you want to take the competitive backdrop and subsidies?

Ron Duncan

Analyst

I will give it a shot, yes. The Alaska market is overall stable in what is at best a flat economic environment. On the wireless side, GCI competes primarily with AT&T, Verizon is in the market, but they haven't moved to 5G in Alaska yet because they don't have C-band spectrum up here. And that has limited their competitive impact in the Alaska market. We and AT&T share the majority of the wireless market. On the wireline side, on a statewide basis, 2 principal competitors are GCI and ACS, the local phone company that's in Anchorage and a number of the other urban areas and then a number of small rural local phone companies in the remainder of Alaska who are not much of a competitive factor in the overall big picture market. The bulk of the market is driven by the Universal Service Fund support of schools and health care facilities, and that's where GCI has a predominant market share. In terms of the evolution of the market, I don't see a whole lot changing in the near term. We're slowly adding wireless share because our wireless product is more compelling than what the competition has to offer. And it's pretty much stable on the wired side. The ACS is engaging very slowly in fiber-to-the prem buildup, but we're not seeing material impact on that. If you look at the breakout of the subs, GCI is pretty flat on wired subs in the urban footprint. We have lost wired subs to Starlink in rural areas, largely due to service disruptions arising from multiple breaks in the backbone fiber around Alaska that's owned by Quintillion. It broke last year and it broke again this year. When that happens, our rural consumer business is forced back from 2.5 gigabits of service…

Operator

Operator

Our final question today is coming from Matthew Harrigan from Benchmark.

Matthew Harrigan

Analyst

I was going to ask about a macro question, frankly, given that you and Hawaii might not be the most recent U.S. states. You already kind of alluded to Washington. But what do you think about the possibility that you might have some substantial revisions in the subsidies on the health care side as well as the fiber side. I mean, Elon, clearly is favoring Starlink so it feels like there's risk there. And do you feel like you're fairly hardened out against an economic slowdown. I mean obviously, there's more fat-tail risk now even for the Lower 48. You just had an increase in tariffs in China, I think, announced today. But if we were to get an actual recession? I mean do you think you can withstand that roughly comparable to your Lower 48 -- or do you think that there's just always more volatility in the Alaskan economy?

Ron Duncan

Analyst

Alaska typically has been a countercyclical on recessions largely due to our energy economy and our energy dependence there. And with Trump's focus on domestic energy production, we think there's probably more upside than downside resulting from the new administration. Under the prior administration, Alaska was basically shut down for new energy and new mineral development. And that looks to be facing a very substantial acceleration under the Trump administration with the potential for the first time in a long time that we might actually see progress on the gas line, which would be a big boon to the Alaska economy. With respect to Starlink competition, I fully expect Starlink to qualify for participation in the next round of federal grants, both BEAD and the remaining grants that might come out of NTIA, the Biden administration, of course, had a strong preference for fiber. I expect that we'll see that will be a technologically neutral bias. But that said, we believe that our largest customers need more capacity than is effectively available through the LEO network and there still will be a very robust demand for fiber. Clearly, that space is going to be more competitive going forward, but I think we're well positioned to address it.

Matthew Harrigan

Analyst

What about the health care subsidies just...

Ron Duncan

Analyst

With respect to the pending USF case or something else?

Matthew Harrigan

Analyst

Just the broad health care subsidies for the tribes in Alaska. I thought that, that was something that was fairly material rather than incidental to some of your results?

Ron Duncan

Analyst

Health care -- the subsidies to the health care users in Alaska are very material to our results. There is a pending case before the Supreme Court that could disrupt some of the structure of the Universal Service Fund, we think the probability of material changes to those are low in terms of the competitive entrants on the health care side and the possibility of Starlink competition there. The bandwidth consumed by health care today is such that the individual facilities would tax the Starlink network and are much more likely, I believe, to stay on the fiber network.

Matthew Harrigan

Analyst

Appreciate it.

Ben Oren

Analyst

With that, we thank you all for your time. And operator, that's the end of the call. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time, and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.