Matthew J. Simoncini
Analyst
Well, you're right. We are solidly profitable. The profitability in Europe, I think at one time we said had reached, for Seating, around 4%, pulled back at around 2%, 2.5% during the pullback. We're significantly higher than the 2.5%, approaching kind of the 3.5%, 4% range in Seating. And what drives those margins a little bit lower besides the significant reduction in volumes is the reduced vertical integration on the components in Europe, which is a little bit higher, if you will, in North America. So the margin opportunities and the capital intensity in North America is a little bit higher than it is in Europe, and for that, we command a higher margin. In Electrical Distribution, which is a very mature business for us, we've worked really hard on the footprint, as I mentioned earlier, and has a fair bit of vertical integration at connectors and boxes. We're able to achieve the kind of target margins for the segment overall, and it's running consistent with it. As far as opportunities, I still think Europe's going to be a longer-term recovery. I do believe we're at the bottom. I do think margins will remain a little bit lower than target margins overall for Seating. I think we'll maintain the margins that we have in Electrical. Some volume would help us, and we think it's going to come back, but we think it's going to be a very slow and choppy recovery.
Ryan J. Brinkman - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: That's great color. Maybe just a quick question on Seating. Using the preliminary Seating margin guidance that you provided today for 2014, if we sort of -- that's a margin number. If we just sort of simplistically assume that your revenue grows roughly in line with global light vehicle production growth of, I think, 4% by IHS, our quick math seems to suggest that, that's about a 17% incremental margin. I was curious if that seems right to you? Or maybe if can't comment on that, perhaps you can just share what you view as normalized contribution margins for the Seating business and then what some of the puts or takes might be in 2014 that could make Seating contribution margins differ from a normalized amount.