Jason Cardew
Analyst · Bank of America. John, please go ahead.
So the guidance assumption for 2020, at the midpoint, what we said was the high 7s in both segments, and in Seating and E-Systems, at the high end of the range, at roughly 8%. And so in terms of how we see those businesses longer term, I think the answer to that question is very different. In terms of Seating, I think it would be helpful to sort of look at the last five years. And on average, we've run that business at just under 8%, 7.9%. And it's running a range of low 7s to mid 8s. And I think at the beginning of that time period, we were in a really robust iron environment, gold production was growing. The tail end of that time period, we saw, obviously, volume challenges globally, particularly last year and a little less so in 2018. And we still continue to run that business in the 7.5%, 8% range. And so we feel very, very comfortable that we can continue to operate the Seating business in that range. And in terms of things that could maybe drive that to the high end of the range or the low end of the range, we still have parts of that business that we think we can improve. We do have exposure to structures. That business is modestly profitable globally, but it's an area that we think we can do better in. And we're working hard to improve the margin profile of that business. South America has historically underperformed, and we see some improvements and have factored that in to our outlook this year. So those are factors that could drive that margin profile in Seating up a little bit. In terms of what could dilute the margin, if you win more business on the just-in-time Seating side, it's less capital-intensive than our component business. We would be happy to take that business in the 6%, 7% range and generate returns that are in the mid-double digit, mid-teen in terms of ROIC. And so that could be dilutive to margin. So it really depends on the mix of business that we have coming on stream longer term. I don't know, Ray, if you want to add on.