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LENZ Therapeutics, Inc. (LENZ)

Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Tue, Mar 24, 2026

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the LENZ Therapeutics Year-end 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Dan Chevallard, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Daniel Chevallard

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. My name is Dan Chevallard, Chief Financial Officer of LENZ Therapeutics. We are joined today by Evert Schimmelpennink, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Shawn Olsson, our Chief Commercial Officer; as well as Dr. Marc Odrich, Chief Medical Officer, who will join us for the question-and-answer session. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that this call will contain forward-looking statements regarding LENZ's future expectations, plans, prospects, corporate strategy, regulatory and commercial plans and expectations, cash runway projections and performance. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors and risks, including those discussed in our filings with the SEC and which can also be found on our website. In addition, any forward-looking statements represent only our views as of the date of this webcast and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. We specifically disclaim any obligations to update such statements. The company encourages you to consult the risk factors contained in our SEC filings for additional detail, including in our 2025 Form 10-K, which will be filed later today. With that, I will now turn the call over to Eef.

Evert Schimmelpennink

Analyst

Thank you, Dan. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. We are now about 5 months into the launch of this. I would summarize where we are today in 3 simple observations. First, the product clearly works, something I know many of you are also hearing as you do your own bucket checks. Second, what we're seeing so far suggests the promising share of patients who buy the product tend to refill. And third, we are clearly building a new treatment category. And while new categories take time to develop, the signals we are seeing reinforce our confidence that this can become the blockbuster market opportunity we have always envisioned. At this early stage of the launch, our priority is putting the right foundations in place. This category can scale and adoption can accelerate over time. Importantly, we are executing this launch from a position of significant financial strength. We closed the fourth quarter with over $292 million in cash, which gives us the resources and flexibility to continue investing in building this category. Let me take you through each of these observations, starting with the product itself. Across the field, we continue to hear consistent feedback from both doctors and patients. The clinical performance we saw in our trials is translating directly into the real world. This works quickly with many patients noticing the effect within about 30 minutes and with the benefits of near vision typically lasting throughout the workday. Importantly, we're also seeing the same broad patient profile we observed in our clinical program. That breadth matters when you consider the scale of the opportunity. Presbyopia affects approximately 128 million people in the United States, and this is the first and importantly, the only once-daily eye drop capable of addressing such a broad segment of…

Shawn Olsson

Analyst

Thank you, Eef, and good morning, everyone. As a quick reminder, presbyopia is the largest unmet vision condition in the United States. It affects approximately 128 million people, a population nearly 4x larger than those of dry eye. In fact, presbyopia affects more Americans than dry eye, demodex, childhood myopia, macular degeneration, diabetic retinopathy and glaucoma combined. This is uniquely positioned to address this opportunity and performing exactly where it matters. The product works and early persistent signals are encouraging. Because this is a new category of creation, as Eef noted, ramp in new patients is developing gradually as physicians are starting to build the habit of introducing an eye drop option during routine visits. We're focused on accelerating uptake by sharpening our physician messaging, expanding our sales force to increase reach and frequency and building consumer pull through DTC so that more patients are offered VIZZ in the exam room and more come in asking about VIZZ. I will unpack these details and insights across our key strategic pillars. Doctors recommend us and consumers request us by name. Focusing first on our eye care professional strategy. We are encouraged by the progress of doctors who recommend this. Just 5 months into launch, aided awareness is already at 98% and unaided awareness is already at 79%. As a reminder, unaided awareness means that dye doctor brought up VIZZ in the survey as an eye drop to treat presbyopia unsolicited. So both metrics are above our targets and demonstrating that ECPs are very aware of VIZZ. In the same survey, we're also seeing accuracy of key VIZZ messages resonating with ECPs as they're prompted to write in what they know about VIZZ. We see consistent answers such as pupil selective, different MOA, not pilocarpine . The results demonstrate that ECPs understand…

Daniel Chevallard

Analyst

Thank you, Shawn. As both Dave and Shawn have outlined, the fourth quarter and recent period of launch has been a tremendous time for LENZ as we have proudly introduced this into the U.S. marketplace, representing a novel solution for the treatment of presbyopia with the 128 million Americans frustrated with their near vision. As has been highlighted, this is a true market build and one that we're doing from a position of financial strength. This morning, I'd like to focus my remarks into 3 sections. First, summarizing our 2025 financial results, and discuss our outlook on 2026 capital allocation, and I will conclude by highlighting the significant progress made on the global expansion of VIZZ through our international partnership strategy. First, and as has been mentioned, we continue in the launch of VIZZ from a position of financial strength, ending 2025 with approximately $292.3 million in cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities. We remain debt-free and ended 2025 with approximately 31.3 million shares of common stock outstanding. Our Q4 results were highlighted by net product revenues of approximately $1.6 million in our first quarter of product launch with over 20,000 monthly paid and filled prescriptions. As you will recall, we launched VIZZ with availability through 2 consumer channels. The first, our e-pharmacy receives prescriptions from the ECP, processes individual orders and ships product directly to the consumer's home. We recognize revenue when our product is delivered to the consumer. Our second channel, the more traditional retail pharmacy is a channel supplied by our network of wholesalers. As is typical through this channel, we recognize revenue when shipments of VIZZ are received by the wholesaler, not upon delivery to the patient. Turning now to our operating expenses. We have discussed in previous quarters our planned ramp in spend as we…

Evert Schimmelpennink

Analyst

Thanks, Dan. To conclude, I'm incredibly proud of the LENZ team and the progress we are making in these early months of launch. We're seeing what we hope to see, a product that clearly works, encouraging early signals of patient persistance and a growing base of prescribing physicians. We are now focused on accelerating new patient adoption through disciplined execution in the field and continued investment behind the category. We believe we are in the early stages of building what can become a significant and durable market. As we continue to execute and prescribing habits built and consumer awareness grows, we expect to see an acceleration in new patient starts from this foundation. We look forward to updating you on our continued progress in the quarters ahead. With that, I'd like to open up the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] your first question comes from Stacy Ku with TD Cowen.

Stacy Ku

Analyst

We really appreciate all the detailed commentary on the VIZZ launch so far. We have a couple of questions. So first, maybe further discuss that sampling dynamic to NRx and the retention that you're seeing, how is refill, let's say, high level tracking to your internal expectations so far? So that's the first question. And then second, as you're trying to broaden patient demand, maybe talk a little bit more about the investments and where you think they can help with the friction points that you listed. Do you believe that select television advertising plans will also take about 2 quarters to lift prescriptions? We're asking because from what we remember, our consultants told us that VUITY ads were everywhere. Of course, the prescribers were not necessarily prepared to set expectations on VUITY's efficacy profile, which has been your focus, but just help us understand that dynamic. And maybe a reminder on the size of the VUITY sales force as you're expanding your sales force as well. And then the third question is on the prescriber additions. If you're willing to comment, what percentage are from your initial target group versus the imbalance from patient demand? And are you seeing a certain practice profile where the prescriber becomes a repeat?

Evert Schimmelpennink

Analyst

Thanks, Stacy. Appreciate your questions. Let me start off with the NRx and refill dynamic and give a little bit more color, and then Shawn will talk about the DTC and ECP question. So we feel very good about where we are actively, as I've mentioned, accelerating adoption. If you look at the strong foundation that we've built with the over 10,000 prescribing ECPs and more than 45,000 boxes sold, we believe that that's a great start. And what matters most early is to see that the product works, as I've mentioned, that we see that patients who choose the purchase continue to use it, and we're seeing both. So new patient starts are developing as expected for a new category that takes a little time, like I mentioned. We're actively working to continue to accelerate that as per plan. So significantly or specifically, we're expanding our sales force, like I mentioned, we're adding 29 reps to drive both breadth and frequency. And Shawn will probably talk about that a little bit more as he answers your ECP question because that allows us to increase coverage of physicians that are already showing interest, but also increases how often we engage with those existing prescribers. And along that, as I mentioned, we'll continue to build the consumer demand through DTC, and that ties into your second part of the question, I think. So as we now pivot into the refills, we know that this is a refill-driven category and early signals are encouraging. We're seeing patients come back and reorder. If we now look at that cohort of patients that got that first order in Q4 or the first quarter of our launch, we're seeing them come back and reorder. We're seeing patients move from initially a 1-month pack now to a 3-month pack, suggesting that they are committed and they're liking the product. We're also seeing patients that are new to the product now actually starting initially on multi-month supplies. So in our mind, that tells us that they had a chance to sample the product, the sampling strategy works. They self select and they like the product enough to start off with treatment. So all of that, we feel is very consistent with the product that's delivering for patients. And it's still early. So we want to make sure that we see this dynamic develops over multiple quarters. But again, the patterns that we're seeing so far are aligned with what we would expect. So with that, let me switch over to Shawn to talk about DTC and ECP.

Shawn Olsson

Analyst

Thanks, Eef. Thanks for the questions. When we look at broadening the patient demand and where we're focusing our investments to help, our primary focus has always been digital advertising to hit the patients where they are. So we know what these patients look like, and we knew that prior to launch, right? We knew that they make over $100,000 a year. They're mostly between 45 and 65. They're in major city centers. And that digital marketing is working. What we look at every single day is what's our click-through rates of different ads, what's our cost per impressions of not only different ads but different media placements. So inside that digital aspect, it's really a lot of optimizing, right? Do we actually see more benefit when we're putting the assets on YouTube versus when we put them on Instagram and how that translates to visits to our website. So that's a lot of optimization. The influencer standpoint, same thing. We look at the influencers post and we say, okay, we saw the post by Heather Dubrow and she got 650,000 views. What does that look like and what does it translate? So a lot of that is optimizing. With the addition of linear, what we're also seeing is there are select markets where the patients are early adopters. And therefore, as we continue to evolve and optimize that media mix, it's a good opportunity to bring linear TV in those select markets and test that response and we continue to optimize to get that broader adoption. You are correct. When VUITY launched, they're putting a big substantial media plan out there. We're being much more focused with targeting each individual that we want to drive in versus driving a shotgun approach of telling all 125 million people about it…

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Yigal Nochomovitz with Citigroup.

Yigal Nochomovitz

Analyst · Citigroup.

Just a few questions here. I'm wondering if you could spend a little more time talking about these top 1,000 writers in terms of their behavior and how they approach the conversation with the patient, their knowledge of the product. I know you mentioned that many of the ECPs that are familiar with VIZZ believed apparently erroneously that it was only for the early presbyopes and not for the other categories you mentioned, Shawn, like the contact lens wearers, the ones with prior LASIK and the pseudophakic. So I'm just curious how that crept into the message that some people apparently didn't understand that it was for a much, much broader set. And how are you planning to help correct that perception and then discuss the behavior of these top writers that seem to get it and have gotten it from the very beginning. So that was my first question.

Evert Schimmelpennink

Analyst · Citigroup.

Thanks, Yigal. Great question. Shawn and I will tag team on that a little bit. So just to double-click on the stats that I shared. So very encouraging for us to see those 2 things that I have shared. One is that it's only taking us about half of the amount of prescribing doctors to get to the same script volume that VUITY got to at 45,000. So I think what that tells us is that doctors are enthusiastic. They like working with a drug, and they especially like working with a drug that's efficacious. And if you in that group, like look at the top 1,000, you see that they're actually writing 40% more. So those are the doctors that wrote the most for VUITY, they're writing even more for us. And your question on what makes them different. Again, I'll hand over to Shawn shortly, is really around they figured out how to, one, bring this up consistently and easily and quickly and offer it as an alternative option to their patients, setting the right expectations around what to expect from an eye drug and then realizing that, as you've mentioned as well, this is truly something that they can offer to pretty much every eligible presbyope in the practice. So I think that's what makes them different. And we're obviously trying to follow it up and share that with all the other doctors out there already prescribing and all the new ones that we're tapping into. So with that, I'll hand it over for Shawn to give some even more color on that.

Shawn Olsson

Analyst · Citigroup.

Yes, absolutely. And thanks, Yigal, for the question. So Eef hit on a lot of the key points, but jumping in a little bit deeper. So our top 1,000 prescribers, again, they're tied to those higher decile accounts. So these are doctors that are more comfortable implementing new technologies, historically are also higher prescribers. But this is something that they're more used to doing in general on a day-to-day basis. What we're seeing is they follow that standard process, which we always continue message, make sure you give the patient a sample and a script, right? Allow all the patients to try it and then give them the script as well. And as they've said, they offer up as an option to more patients. They've figured out how to do the 10-second pitch, how to offer it and set the right expectations. In terms of your questions on the understanding of the broader use, why are some still thinking only about the early presbyope, this is really an effect of the previous product on the market, which really was tested in a younger population and the efficacy really only worked in that very early emerging presbyope. Therefore, people naturally go there. It is taking work to make sure people understand that we really did show just as much success in moderate advanced presbyopia. And then we show them the graphs to actually show those that have worse presbyopia gain more lines. And that's a process to understand that this product truly does work for that full scope of presbyopes.

Yigal Nochomovitz

Analyst · Citigroup.

Okay. Awesome. And then this is really quick. Just maybe for maybe Shawn also. This is just more of an operational question. You mentioned doing the TV ads. I think that wasn't in the original blueprint. I'm sure it was one of your scenarios. But I assume this doesn't mean that your emphasis and investment in terms of targeting the regional influencers, one layer below the SJPs that, that's still in place as it was with the initial plan. And then also, are you able to track -- I know Eef mentioned the conversion to -- the uptick in the web traffic when you have various campaigns that are delivered to the market. Are you able to track the conversion rates there? And are you seeing higher conversion to Rxs as a result of these waves of coming to the website?

Shawn Olsson

Analyst · Citigroup.

Great question, Yigal. So first, talking about the TV ads. So our strategy remains the same on primarily focused on digital ads and the influencers. So we never plan to do broad national linear TV campaigns. However, what we're seeing is there are key markets that are prescribing a lot more often than others. And so this is a perfect opportunity to drop linear advertising on network TV and cable in those targeted markets in a responsible, financially responsible way to see what type of response we see. So that's the opportunity that's now provided itself with linear TV. So think of these as key markets, we test the response. And in testing those response, you need exactly what you just brought up. How does that translate to then visits to the web and then does that then translate to actual scripts later on. And that's exactly what we're continuing to look at every day. So we can see when we actually run different ads in different markets, how that then responds to web traffic. I think we're early on in DTC, so we don't have a pure correlation from the web traffic to then a script later on. There isn't a connection there, but it's something that we'll continue to look at for correlation to make sure we continue to further optimize those DTC ads.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Marc Goodman with Leerink Partners.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Leerink Partners.

This is Alyssa on for Marc. So you previously had highlighted 3 different patient categories as the foundation of the advertising strategy. Could you update us on which of those segments are driving the early adoption today? And then secondly, I might have missed this, but on the distribution, can you clarify whether prescriptions are being fulfilled entirely through the e-pharmacy channel or if retail is now kind of contributing to that? And how is the mix between those 2, if so?

Shawn Olsson

Analyst · Leerink Partners.

Great. Thanks for the question. So if you think back to our strategy in terms of early adopters, we want to focus on those that are in contacts. We want to focus those that have had post refractive surgery and what we call the active lifestyle. So we commissioned a survey of patients that have recently received the product. And what we're seeing is those targets are right. When we actually look at the data, we're seeing about half of the patients on this have worn contacts. About 1/3 of them have had LASIK in the past and that about 1/4 of them have had BOTOX in the past 12 months. Now that quarter number is a little bit biased because we have an equal split of men and women, about 60% female, 40% male in terms of our prescriptions. And BOTOX does tend to be about 90% women, 10% men. So that would lift up that percentage overall. But we feel good about our targets that we're focused on there. And then in terms of the mix of retail as well as the pharmacy, both meaningful channels, we have not broken out or shared that mix yet.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Biren Amin with Piper Sandler.

Biren Amin

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

For Q1, can you maybe tell us what the split is between the 1-month pack and the 3-month pack? My second question is, I think previously, you had estimated 5 refills per year. In your early adopters, do you feel that, that still would align with your annual refill projections? And then third question is, can you talk about how many of the samples in Q4 converted to scripts in Q1? I think that would be a good barometer of patient experience.

Evert Schimmelpennink

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

Thanks, Biren. Great questions. And obviously, we all know that ultimately, these statistics are going to be very important to track the progress of the launch. We're also remaining with what we said before that refill -- actual refill percentages is something that we really start to look at in the second half of the year and start to communicate that. But what we do see at the moment on your various questions is that, like I mentioned earlier, that 3-pack is important in the market, and we're seeing that move. Again, this is early days. So like for many of the statistics and the parameters that we've spoken about, we really want to see a couple of quarters and see how this clearly develops before we feel that it's a reasonable number that we can start to share. Same goes for refills. Like I mentioned earlier, we're encouraged by what we're seeing. We also need to remind ourselves that the cohort that we currently can follow is the one from Q4 of last year. So our first 3 months of being in the market with this, the first consumers have a chance to buy this product. And that's probably a mix between initially when we just started to bring samples out, consumers that bought the product without having sampled and later in the quarter, that now most of the people will have had a chance to sample. So on top of that, you see that somebody bought a 3-pack, for example, in December, which is clearly happening, you wouldn't expect that person to come back until maybe late Q1 or even into Q2. So that means that the numbers that we're seeing now, we're really looking at them more as a barometer than the actual number. But clearly, like we shared, what we're seeing is encouraging us, and we feel that we have a product that does live up to what we want to see, a product that people like, that once they order it, they are sticky and they continue to buy it.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Gerberry with Bank of America.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Bank of America.

This is Melanie on for Jason. First, can you share any more details about indicators that are most encouraging regarding the DTC program that can spur growth? And secondly, anything you can share about key thresholds you're looking to see in NRx and refills in the second quarter?

Shawn Olsson

Analyst · Bank of America.

Thanks, Melanie. I appreciate it. So in terms of the DTC program, when we think of our DTC, what we're really looking to see is are we driving consumer activation, right? And so in terms of this stage of a DTC program, where we're still fairly early on, the easiest items to look at that we're looking for, for indicators are, are we driving awareness? And are we driving increases in web traffic? And are we doing it at a responsible financial spend. So the indicators we continue to look at are, are we increasing people that are going to website? Not only are we seeing a sustained increase in website visitors, we're seeing up to a 10x increase in web visitors depending on what we're running. That's very good. When I look across the metrics of our DTC, I'm looking at what are we paying per 1,000 impressions, what are we paying per click. Again, what we're seeing right now with our ads, we're testing well. We're actually doing better than benchmarks for click-through rates as well as spend per impression. So that's looking positive. And then what we're continuing to look at is as we talk to the patients, serving them, did they see an ad, did that drive come in? And so those are all the metrics that we're continuing to look at.

Evert Schimmelpennink

Analyst · Bank of America.

The second question was around key thresholds that we're looking for as we enter into the second quarter. But I think just looking back to what I shared earlier, there's 2 elements that we're focusing on and that Shawn just highlighted as well, activating the doctors to bring it up to more patients more often. Obviously, that's something that's ongoing. And then really starting to see that DTC play out. Those things all take a little bit of time, which is why we've said that the DTC, this is not only for us, but in general, any Nielsen report that you pick up will show you that it takes at least 2 quarters to really see that translate into DTC. I think early indicators that Shawn talked about that we're seeing are very positive. And similarly, with the expansion of the sales force happening in Q2, we would expect that to take a little bit of time for that to take effect. But we really are expecting more of a step change in acceleration of new patients as both of these mechanisms fully take a hold closer to the second half of the year.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Lachlan Hanbury-Brown with William Blair.

Lachlan Hanbury-Brown

Analyst

I guess the first, I'd be curious what you're finding in terms of how often or how many samples doctors giving out. Are you finding the reps when they go back the fridge is empty or they still have some? Do they have to go back earlier? Just I've spoken to a few docs that tend not to give the samples, they prefer to write a script. So kind of curious to see what you're seeing on the sampling and the volume front there. And then maybe a second one on the prescribers. Curious what you're seeing in terms of the time it takes for them to go from a single prescription to become a repeat prescriber? Is it -- there's a cohort of doctors that basically immediately prescribe it to multiple people and then others that prescribe one and takes much longer? Or is there a trend you're seeing there?

Evert Schimmelpennink

Analyst

Thanks, Lachlan. Good questions. Let me start off with the sampling and then double-click a little bit more on the sampling strategy and the conversion and how we think about that. So sampling in our case is really designed to bring the right patients into the therapy. So it's a central part of our strategy as we've highlighted early on because the product has such an immediate and observable effect. So we want to get samples out there, and that's how what we focused on to get as many samples as needed to as many offices as possible to make sure that those patients can really experience the product first and then self-select into the therapy. And we're seeing that, that's working. We believe that currently, probably more than 90% of people that start with this or new patients have had a sample first. So again, that strategy is working. What's also important is to understand how the sampling works. So the samples are dispensed, as you've mentioned, directly by physicians. So once our reps leave the samples with the doctor, there's no way for us to track individual samples and how they're being handed out to patients and how many are being handed out. But what we do see is that most of the doctors now are handing them out. But you are right that there's a group of doctors that just prefers to write a script directly. We'll continue to work with them to actually start to change that habit as well. So we actually don't really look at conversion as a key metric at this point. Samples for us are very cost effective and it's really a way to get as many people as we can to try the product, make sure they like it and then they self-select in. Like I said earlier, that this will lead to indeed a much more sticky patient population. I think your second question was around prescribing dynamics. What we see is that, as you would expect at this stage, there's a mix like Shawn highlighted, there's a great amount of doctors that are already doing what we would like them to do, provide a sample together with a script. There's also a group of doctors that wants to sample first and have the patient call back. If they like it, they write a script, the doctors that, to your point, write a script immediately put out a sample. So all the different flavors that you can think of are currently out there. And that's the focus of us now to take that blueprint of doctors that we know are very successful with the product, that high percentages of the patients converting and start to apply that or keep that to the rest of the doctor cohorts.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Caufield with H.C. Wainwright.

Matthew Caufield

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright.

Can you speak more to the nuances you're seeing in terms of that initial refill patients? Like, for instance, have the refills been predominantly those early presbyopes so far?

Shawn Olsson

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright.

Yes, great question. So when we look at the consumer, just given a little bit more detail. So when we dig into it and look at those people that are adopting the fastest, and we're seeing the refills come through. Again, what we're seeing when we break it down, it's 60% women, 40% men. Predominantly that 55- to 64-year-old, there are certain states that we see perform better than others. And when we dig into them, they are our target patients that are doing it. It is, as I stated earlier, half of those patients have worn contacts in the past. About 1/3 of them have had LASIK. And I said 1/4 of them have had BOTOX. But again, that's a bit biased by the mix of male, female. So we are right on that core target. We're hitting the right patients that want to use it. I think the most important thing is they get the sample and try it because that self-selection is so important. And that's what really drives that repeat behavior is getting them to self-select in, try the product, know it's for them and then continue to use it. So I think that's the important nuance to focus on.

Operator

Operator

That concludes our question-and-answer session. As I'm showing no further questions, thank you for your participation, and we will now conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect.