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Q3 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 14, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Largo's Third Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation there will be a question-and-answer session. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Alex Guthrie, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Alex Guthrie

Operator

Thank you, operator and thanks to everyone who has joined us for Largo's Third Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. Our Q3 2024 financial statements related MD&A and most recent AIF are available on our website at largoinc.com, as well as on SEDAR+ and EDGAR. Before we proceed, please note that some information discussed today will include forward-looking statements and non-IFRS measures. Please refer to the cautionary notes and non-GAAP section of the company's latest MD&A, financial statements, and AIF which are all available online. Additionally, all figures mentioned are in US dollars, unless otherwise stated. Today's speakers include Daniel Tellechea, Interim CEO and Director; Celio Pereira, CEO of Largo Brazil; David Harris, CFO; and Francesco D'Alessio, CEO and President of Largo Clean Energy. Following the prepared remarks, we will open the call to questions. Please limit your questions to two and requeue if you have further inquiries to allow everyone a chance to participate. I will now turn the call over to Daniel.

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead

Thank you, Alex and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss our third quarter results. In Q3 Largo continued to make positive strides on several fronts, and I am pleased to highlight a few areas where we are seeing real progress. First, we delivered our highest quarterly vanadium production in seven quarters, producing 3,072 tonnes, up 42% from Q3 last year. Additionally, we saw another strong quarter in ramping up our ilmenite production, contributing to our efforts in diversifying revenues at Largo. Largo's cost improvements have been equally important during the quarter. We reduced our operating cost by 31%, allowing us to maintain a competitive position within the vanadium sector. And as announced, our vanadium supply agreement, which unlocks approximately $23.5 million of additional liquidity from our vanadium inventories upon delivery, now enables us to strategically manage our inventory while delivering, still meeting our ongoing and future sales commitments -- sorry. In terms of our commercial strategy, we’ve taken decisive steps to realign our sales approach to better navigate together a challenging market environment. In September, Francesco D'Alessio was promoted to Chief Commercial Officer bringing a wealth of industry experience and strategic vision to our sales leadership. With Francesco's expertise, we’re implementing a refreshed sales strategy aimed at optimizing inventory, following stronger customer relationships, and position in Largo as a trusted and reliable supplier in both the vanadium and the ilmenite market. Looking forward, our recently announced technical report highlights update supports Largo's long-term potential with a 67% increase in mineral reserves and a 64% increase in mineral resources expanding our mine life to 2054. This strengthened resources base paired with our production and cost initiatives sets the stage for future value creation going forward. With that, I’ll hand it over to Celio to discuss our operational progress in more detail.

Celio Pereira

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Thank you, Daniel and good morning, everyone. This quarter, our team's hard work paid off as we reached a significant production milestone. In Q3, we produced 3,072 tonnes of V2O5 equivalent, a testament to the effectiveness of the operational enhancements we put in place earlier this year. Our global V2O5 recovery rate also improved to 81.1%, up from 76.9% last year. On the mining side, we achieved a 34% increase in total ore mined compared to Q3 2023, reaching 600,000 tonnes. Those improvements highlight the changes we've made to enhance processing efficiencies and address variability in magnetic and V2O5 ore grades. [[Technical Difficulty] our operations are as efficient as possible while maintaining high safety environmental standards. Ilmenite production also saw strong gains, reaching 16,383 tonnes in Q3, an increase of 90% over the previous quarter. Finally, to maintain optimal operational continuity, we've moved our annual kiln maintenance to Q4 to coincide with the upcoming rainy season, minimizing the impact of any weather-related disruptions. And consequently, Q4 production is expected to be impacted by the maintenance period, resulting in lower production levels and higher operating costs for the quarter. However, we remain confident in our ability to meet our full year 2024 guidance for production, costs, and sales. Before concluding, I'd like to highlight that our third quarter results reflect substantial progress in production and cost management; however, we remain focused on further optimizing our vanadium and ilmenite operations. Largo is still in the process of a broader turnaround initiative aimed at driving consistent improvements across the mine. This includes enhancing operational efficiency, advancing silica control measures, and continuing recovery optimizations in our ilmenite plant. While we have made meaningful strides, we remain committed to further progress as we work towards fully realizing our operational goals and fostering a culture of continuous improvement across our team. With that, I will now pass it over to David Harris for the financial results.

David Harris

Analyst · Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead

In Q3 2024, Largo reported revenues of $29.9 million, including $27.2 million from vanadium sales and $2.7 million from ilmenite sales. Revenue was impacted by lower vanadium prices and reduced sales volumes with the average benchmark price per pound of V2O5 in Europe down to $5.71 compared to $8.03 in Q3 2023. Operating costs decreased from $44 million in Q3 2023 to $29.5 million this quarter, a 31% reduction from Q3 2023. Cash operating costs, excluding royalties, were $3.12 per pound sold, a 43% reduction from last year. As Celio highlighted just now, these results underscore our continued focus on cost management, and I'd like to recognize the hard work from our teams who played a crucial role in realizing these savings. The net loss for Q3 was $10.1 million, including non-recurring items of $3.3 million which is an improvement over the net loss of $11.9 million in Q3 2023. Adjusted EBITDA for our mining operations was $2.4 million in Q3 2024 compared to $2.7 million in Q3 2023, reflecting the impact of the vanadium market conditions, but also highlighting ongoing cost management efforts. At the close of the quarter, we had a cash balance of $30.4 million and a net working capital surplus of $46.7 million. While the recently announced vanadium supply agreement is expected to contribute approximately $23.5 million upon delivery of material between Q4 this year and Q1 next year. We continue to focus on managing liquidity carefully to support Largo's financial flexibility. In addition, we are working closely with a group of banks to explore restructuring options for our existing loan facilities. These discussions are aimed at optimizing our capital structure to ensure that we're well prepared to navigate current market conditions with a continued focus on managing liquidity carefully to support Largo's financial flexibility. Before…

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead

Thank you, Francesco. As we head into Q4, Largo remains committed to improving operational efficiency, reducing costs, and diversifying our revenue streams. Despite the current headwinds in the vanadium prices, our recent technical report update and strategic agreements position us to well deliver value in the quarters ahead. Thank you to our entire team for their efforts and our shareholders for their support. We look forward to sharing our continued progress in the future. With that, we will now open the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Heiko Ihle at H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead

Hi, good morning everybody. You state that recent data indicated that the oversupply gap is gradually narrowing and that there is some early indications of maybe a touch more favorable market dynamics. Where exactly is this demand coming from? I mean earlier on this call, you mentioned the Americas, if I heard you correctly. And we are now halfway through Q4. Is this impact going to be showing up in the Q4 results? Or is this something that's maybe more of a 2025 thing?

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead

Francesco, can you --. Francesco D’Alessio: Yes. Yes. So it's going to mainly show in next year's contracts, right? We are in the midst of contract season right now. We are seeing the demand from both -- from mainly the aerospace sector. As you probably know, the US market has several restrictions and depending on the origin of the products, there is anti-dumping on Chinese ferrovanadium, antidumping on the South African ferrovanadium, and high duties on Korean ferrovanadium, which puts Largo's ferrovanadium in advantageous position for freight contracts for the steel sector in the US. And then in addition to that -- there is much higher demand from the forecast that we're receiving from our aerospace customers, which will be reflected in 2025 contracts for next year.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead

Got it. And then just a clarification on that supply -- that vanadium supply agreement that you signed a couple of weeks ago. I mean, it is going to sound like a fairly large-scale thing. Just talk to me a little bit about in your experience, how are prices for these agreements when compared to spot pricing? Is this a bit like in the uranium space where these agreements tend to trade at a premium since people want to ensure supply? Or is this just more or less market-based? Maybe not even the specific agreement just in general?

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead

You mean the agreement we signed recently for $23.5 million?

Heiko Ihle

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead

Yes. I mean that's obviously one agreement, but there is presumably more of those coming.

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead

Well, at this particular time this is the only agreement we have planned for something like this. And this will complement our shipments for Q4, where out of the 2,100 tonnes in this agreement, we are planning to ship a good chunk of that quantity during the fourth quarter. And the rest -- so that will complement our sales and shipments for the fourth quarter. And this is -- Heiko, this is the only agreement we have in place now. The rest of the agreements for 2025 will be standard sales to the steel industry and defense and aerospace industries. It will be normal agreement. Will that respond your question?

Heiko Ihle

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead

Yes. No, that's pretty good. And with that, I think I will get back in queue.

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Andrew Wong at RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Andrew Wong

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Hi, good morning. Can you just provide maybe a bit of an outlook on where you think prices could land in 2025, given some of the improvements that you've worked on?

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Francesco, can you take that question? Francesco D’Alessio: Yes, I can take that, Daniel. Look, it's obviously a tricky question talking about pricing forecasts, right? If we had a crystal ball, obviously -- but for sure, prices in the market, for sure, you're going to see a 2-tiered market. You are going to see higher prices in the US for the reasons that I mentioned earlier, right mainly driven by the fact that it's limited in terms of origins that can come into the US market. So that is already being reflected. If you look at the current CRU index versus Metal Bulletin index, you're seeing a disparity between the two markets. And then obviously, the bulk of the aerospace volume is obviously done at a premium to the industry right? So we are expecting a faster recovery in prices in the US vis-a-vis Europe or the rest of the world, right?

Andrew Wong

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

And a little bit on costs for 2025, given some of the operational efficiencies, improvements that you've worked on?

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Celio, can you take that question?

Celio Pereira

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Yes, for sure. We keep moving our turnaround and increasing our efficiencies at the mine. We are now having a very strong look at logistics and good supply. So we expect that the average cost of 2025 should be having the lower direction based -- compared to this year.

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Andrew on the cost side, we will continue with this trend of trying to finalize analysis of each of the contracts, concentrating ourselves on logistics. So there is still a way to go in this turnaround process that we started months ago. So we expect that the cost of production will continue to take the benefits of those adjustments and those analysis for next year.

Andrew Wong

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. And just looking out a little bit here, when we look at the mine plan and the resources and like what the deposits look like longer-term, the grades come down, Campbell Pit is a lot higher grade. So the best material I think, that you have in your resource inventory. Does it still make sense to be depleting your best resource at relatively minimal profitability and prices today?

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Can you take that question, Celio?

Celio Pereira

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Yes. Thank you Daniel. So we have added two new pits to our reserve base that we didn't have before. Campbell is our current pit that we mine. Of course, we have seen weaker prices in this last year. But our operational -- our mining plan for Campbell goes until 2031, 2032. So it is a world-class asset with very high grades for V2O5. And we believe that it is strategic to keep mining Campbell for now and for the next years until we are prepared to move to the lower-grade assets and reserves pits that we have in Maracas.

Andrew Wong

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Gordon Lawson at Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead.

Gordon Lawson

Analyst · Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead

Sorry, I was on mute. So the beat on cash cost this quarter was pretty significant and really stands out. What should we expect for – you have already talked about what to expect in terms of beating this year, but how much should we add to cost for the ilmenite production on a per pound basis?

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead

Celio, can you take that question?

Celio Pereira

Analyst · Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead

Yes. If we consider that ilmenite is a new revenue stream that we still in the ramp-up phase and optimizing recoveries and production. I believe when we reach our full capacity at ilmenite and optimize all of this process, I think we will be talking -- we'll be seeing $0.30 to $0.50 range in terms of vanadium production costs.

Gordon Lawson

Analyst · Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead

That is quite cheap. So on that front -- the $22 million investment to double the production of ilmenite seems like a rather low threshold. So what parameters are behind the sanctioning decision going in terms of lining up customers versus return on investment?

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead

Celio, can you take that question? And most of this is in the technical reporting. So we can get the information from that.

Celio Pereira

Analyst · Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead

Yes. Sorry, I didn't understand the investment side of the question. Can you please repeat?

Gordon Lawson

Analyst · Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead

Well, it seems rather inexpensive to double the production. So I'm just wondering if this is an issue of lining up customers for the product or whether there is more to it beyond a simple ROI?

Celio Pereira

Analyst · Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead

Yes. The strategy to double the production is linked with the vanadium side as well because the ilmenite is produced from our non-magnetic tailings from our current milling that produces the vanadium concentrate. So the strategy is linked with a 20% actually, it's 33% expansion in our current kiln happening first. And then we will have of course, an upgrade in the milling and crushing together with this kiln expansion. And after that, we will have more material to process and do the full expansion of the ilmenite. So that's more because of the vanadium strategy, we also link this ilmenite strategy ramp-up and expansion in the future.

Gordon Lawson

Analyst · Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead

So the grades of the -- hits beyond the Campbell Pit? That's obviously playing much more of a role than lining up the customers as I stated?

Celio Pereira

Analyst · Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead

Yes, correct.

Gordon Lawson

Analyst · Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Gary Bryck at Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead.

Gary Bryck

Analyst · Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead

Good morning. Could you tell me how much debt on the balance sheet is attributable to the Majorca storage facility? Could you discuss how it's working and whether you're generating any revenue from it? And could you compare that vanadium technology to other battery technologies that you may be competing with? And I have one other question, which I've asked for the last 5 years. Could you discuss the elasticity of demand for vanadium?

Daniel Tellechea

Analyst · Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead

Can you take that one, Francesco? Francesco D’Alessio: Yes. So elasticity for demand for vanadium, are you referring to a specific industry? Or what would you like me to elaborate on?

Gary Bryck

Analyst · Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead

Well, if you understand elasticity, maybe you could explain how prices would change if you, for example reduced your production of vanadium. Francesco D’Alessio: Well most of the vanadium market pricing, obviously driven by the two largest producing countries, right, which is Russia and China. So you can understand, obviously the current geopolitical situation has affected one of those origins and then the current softness of the market in China has caused the price to drop this year, right? The exports from China have drastically increased. So if you look at the supply/demand dynamics are drastically affected by the exported units from the Chinese market, right? But our strategic positioning within the US market is why we've diversified our strategy in going after a region that is not subject to those effects of the Chinese units, right?

Gary Bryck

Analyst · Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead

Maybe we can take this question offline. I don't think you understand it. Could you discuss how much debt is on your balance sheet attributable to the Majorca storage facility? Could you discuss how it's functioning? Could you discuss whether you're generating any revenue from it, whether you're generating any potential sales of new storage facilities? And could you discuss your vanadium storage technology to other storage technologies?

David Harris

Analyst · Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead

Yes. I'll take the first part of the question --. Francesco D’Alessio: I'll take the second one.

David Harris

Analyst · Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead

Yes. Just on the debt. There's no debt on the balance sheet that relates to the battery storage facility in Majorca. That's all been self-funded. So there's no debt attributable to that. In terms of the project --.

Gary Bryck

Analyst · Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead

Didn't you borrow $95 million to buy the technology in the first place?

David Harris

Analyst · Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead

No, that's not correct.

Gary Bryck

Analyst · Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead

What is correct?

David Harris

Analyst · Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead

The IP that we have that was acquired, that was acquired for approximately just over $4 million in 2020, and that was sort of a share in noncash purchase that was done at the time. Any other one -- has just been funding the LCE activities as a whole. In terms of the delivery of the project, I mean, as you'll note in our MD&A, the final tests and the commissioning activities has not been completed. So the project has not been delivered and such that we have not recognized revenue from delivery of that project as of this time. But perhaps Francesco, you can just comment a bit more in terms of the status of the ramp-up and commissioning of P&L projects. Francesco D’Alessio: Sure. So we replaced the inverter and the transformer. So those activities have been completed, and we're now undergoing the final [FIT] (ph) factory accepted testing for the final commissioning of the battery system. So we're in the final stages of final hard commissioning of the system.

Gary Bryck

Analyst · Northern Insights Asset Management. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry, I thought you had this facility running two years ago. So it's a good update for me. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions. I will turn the call back over to Alex Guthrie for closing comments.

Alex Guthrie

Operator

Thank you operator. This concludes our Q&A session of the quarterly call. Thank you, everyone, and have a great day. Bye now.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference for today. We thank you for participating, and we ask that you please disconnect your lines.