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Lincoln Educational Services Corporation (LINC)

Q4 2014 Earnings Call· Tue, Mar 10, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter 2014 Lincoln Educational Services Earnings Conference Call. My name is Jackie, and I'll be your operator for today. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode and we'll be facilitating a question-and-answer session towards the end of today's presentation. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Doug Sherk, Investor Relations. Please proceed, sir.

Doug Sherk

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and good morning to everyone. Before the opening of the market today, Lincoln Educational Services issued a press release announcing its fourth quarter and full year 2014 financial results. The release is available on the Investor Relations portion of the company's corporate website at www.lincolnedu.com. Before we get started during the course of this conference call, the company will make forward-looking statements about its future plans, objectives, beliefs, expectations and prospects. For this purpose any statements made today that are not statements of historical facts may be deemed to be forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future actions, outcomes, results or performance. By their nature, these forward-looking statements are subject to many risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from the results discussed in or implied by the forward-looking statements. A discussion of the risks and uncertainties that affect Lincoln's business is contained in the company's SEC filings particularly under the heading Risk Factors and in the press release issued this morning. Copies of these documents are available online from the SEC or on Lincoln's website. These forward-looking statements are made only as of the date this conference call was initially held and the company assumes no obligation and does not intend to update these forward-looking statements after the date of this conference call whether as a result of new information, future events, developments, changes in assumptions or otherwise. And now, I would like to turn the call over to Shaun McAlmont, Chief Executive Officer of Lincoln Educational Services.

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Thank you, Doug and good morning, everyone. Joining me on the cal today is Scott Shaw, President and Chief Operating Officer; and Brian Meyers, our Chief Financial Officer. This morning, I'll open the call with general remarks on the full year and quarter as well as share some of our long-term strategic opportunities. Scott will provide a more detailed review of the operations in the quarter and for the full year highlighting our planned strategic initiatives, moving into 2015. Brian will then discuss the financial results and I’ll come back to summarize and provide our guidance for 2015. Following my summary, we’ll open the call up for your questions. Now in terms of a review of the fourth quarter and the year, the fourth quarter capped off a year of steady progress in positioning Lincoln for future growth and sustained profitability as we pursue our mission of providing a solution for our nation's economic skills gap issue. During the year we took steps to adapt to the current operating environment as well as company-specific initiatives that we believe will further improve our operating performance and financial results as we navigate through continued changes and uncertainty in the highly regulated education market. As highlighted in our news release issued this morning, we had several significant operating and financial achievements in the fourth quarter, which enabled us to reach our goal of finishing 2014 generating positive cash and free cash flow from operations. An important measure of success was our ability to achieve our expectations for student starts for 2014 comparing Lincoln favorably to our industry peers. As we head into 2015, we’re increasingly encouraged that were on track to continue to reach our goals. Our management team is stronger, our programs are improved through the use of technology and state-of-the-art equipment…

Scott Shaw

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Thank you, Shaun and good morning, everyone. I'll begin by commenting on our success with strengthening our outcomes then I'll review some of our operational highlights for 2014 and finally conclude with some color on our strategic initiatives. As Shaun mentioned, we continue to take actions that strengthen our outcomes, while positioning us to be a leading solution to the growing skills gap in the American economy by providing our students both technical hard skills that make them valuable to the employers and soft skills that make them better employees, we enable our students to stand out and secure employment. At the end of the day, job placement is our ultimate outcome and as Shaun mentioned, we've achieved four consecutive years of placement rate improvement ending 2014 at 77.5%. In our conversations with employers, it becomes quickly evident that they're not only are concerned about filling open positions today, but more importantly, they're concerned about the accelerating retirement of baby boomers over the coming decade and how they’ll find skilled replacements. Our conversations with employers are also increasingly focused on ways for Lincoln to provide customized training that will further enhance the skills of entry level employees as well as provide advanced skills to existing employees. While these conversations are still in their beginning stages, the breadth of companies approaching us is an encouraging sign for future opportunities. Examples of some of the companies with whom we are in discussion include an automotive OEM, a European premier home appliance maker who is looking to rapidly expand in the U.S. to a major real estate property manager who needs various skilled trades workers. As Shaun highlighted we've dramatically improved our 2012 draft three-year cohort default rates. This is a result of the tough choices Shaun mentioned earlier as well as our…

Brian Meyers

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Thank you, Scott. As discussed on our third quarter conference call we began 2014 with approximately 1,800 fewer students than in the prior period resulting in average population decline of 3% for the fourth quarter of 2014. As a result, reported revenue for the fourth quarter was $85.4 million compared to $87.4 million in the 2013 fourth quarter. Reported revenue includes two reductions that are noteworthy. The first is an additional $1 million in scholarships discounts and the second is refunds due to the merger of two schools, one was Las Vegas, Nevada and the Hamden Connecticut into neighboring Lincoln campuses. Average revenue per student for the fourth quarter 2014 increased slightly to 5,950 due to tuition rate increases. For the fourth quarter of 2014, operating income was $10.4 million excluding our long-lived asset impairment of $1.5 million representing an improvement over $7 million in last year's fourth quarter. Operating income margin increased over 400 basis points to 12.2% versus 8% in last year's fourth quarter. Income from continuing operations was $7.1 million or $0.31 per share for the fourth quarter of 2014, a significant improvement over the $3 million or $0.13 per share reported in year ago quarter, which excludes a $23.5 million valuation allowance. The 2014 fourth quarter results includes a $3.6 million or $0.16 per share in non-recurring charges relating to an impairment of long-lived assets, executive services and a loss contingency relating to our Massachusetts campus. Excluding these charges, income from continuing operations for the fourth quarter would have been $10.7 million or $0.47 per share, which exceeds previously issued guidance. Let's now turn to our fourth quarter operating expenses. Education, services and facility expenses decreased 4.8% to $39.5 million through by reduced cost due to lower average student population. SG&A expenses declined 8.8% to $35.5…

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Thanks Brian and thanks Scott. Hopefully we’ve been able to convey our feelings of renewed optimism and encouragement as we enter 2015. We’ve taken significant action that we believe will translate into improved operating performance, strengthening our value proposition, while also putting us in a position to deliver better financial results. We’re seeing signs of stabilization in the education industry. However, we’re not quite ready to call the full turn yet. Our guidance for 2015 is as follows. We expect revenue from continuing operations and student starts to be relatively flat with 2014 level or approximately $320 million in revenue and 15,300 starts. This guidance excludes the Fern Park, Florida and previously merged Las Vegas and Nevada and Hamden Connecticut campuses. We currently expect the net loss per share in 2015 to range between a loss of $0.32 to $0.47. We also expect to generate positive cash flow from operations comparable with 2014. Our 2015 outlook is very favorable in our estimation and we anticipate completing some of the final components of our closing underperforming campuses, which when completed will increase our potential to return to profitability in the future. While we’re not providing quarterly guidance, we believe it’s noteworthy to add that we anticipate first quarter 2015 revenue to be slightly less than the first quarter of 2014 level for continuing operations due to fewer start dates. However, we expect our bottom line results to be improved over last year's first quarter results. With that operator, we’re now open to taking questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Alex Paris with Barrington Research. Please proceed.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Good morning guys.

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Good morning Alex.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

I have a couple of questions, first-off relating to guidance I was wondering if we could dive into it a little deeper. You gave a little bit of an idea for first quarter. The guidance calls for 1.5% decrease in revenue and a 1.8% decrease in starts for the year relatively flattish you said. How do you expect that to come in seasonally? Do you expect for example that we could see positive new student starts in the second half of the year or by the fourth quarter of the year or a level 1% or so decline every quarter year-over-year?

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

I’ll take that and then Scott or Brian, can jump in. Yeah the way we look at the year Alex and just without going into the deep specifics on each quarter, we really do see our starts and population fluctuating around the flat level throughout each quarter. So, I think in the first quarter and second quarter you might see up or down 100 or 200 students against prior year and that’s really just based on the number of start opportunities per quarter. But we really feel that the guidance anticipates flat revenue for those continuing operations, flat starts and a benefit on the EPS line based on some of the cost savings that are netted against other investments. And so in summary, yeah you’ll see it fluctuating up and down over flat each quarter as we go along. And even though, we’re not giving guidance, we’ll ultimately update that yearend guidance number each quarterly call.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

All right, and then the assumption with regard to income taxes would be helpful also given that it’s been a little bit hard to model?

Brian Meyers

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

For 2015, we’re not expecting -- because of our evaluation allowance we did not anticipate recording any tax benefit for this year for 2015 except for state income tax minimums and non-income related taxes. So for approximately sort of whole year, we’re anticipating about roughly $200,000 of income tax expense.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Good that’s helpful and then Shaun, I think you alluded to the close campuses and as you work through those this year are there any other campuses that might be closed in 2015 at this point?

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

No, the way we look at the rationalization of the campuses Alex, we've talked about this over the last few years. And in my prepared remarks, I talked about the fact that we had to make some difficult decisions over the years and those are all related to campuses that we see as viable and non-viable. We’ve engaged in a process of rationalizing those assets over the last few years. We’re at the point now where we can see the finish line in terms of that effort. For 2015 embedded in our guidance is the closure of one school that was one of those identified as we talked about in our prepared remarks and we'll continue to assess the remainder of those campuses, but I’m confident to say that we have a number of schools that have not performed the way we’d like them to perform over the last few years. Many of those we see an opportunity to turn to positivity over the next 24 months. If there’s one that continues to stand out, it will be put into a transitional schools category, but in summary, we feel that we’ve gone to a point that we've rationalized the majority that we like to rationalize and if there are any other that are outliers that will be very few and they’ll fall into the transitional schools segment as Scott mentioned.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

So the go-forward portfolio is 30 campuses now that you’ve announced closure of Fern Park and then zero learning centers?

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Correct the learning centers are -- and remember those were cash only smaller facilities, but they were carrying a loss and so we closed those as of 12/31.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Is that the primary culprit in terms of the impairment in the quarter?

Brian Meyers

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Yes, it was 100% for long lived assets. It was actually related to the Fern Park closing.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Okay.

Brian Meyers

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

The closing we had to take the leasehold improvements long-lived assets impairment.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

So what is capacity utilization now with the current portfolio of 30 campuses?

Scott Shaw

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

It’s essentially flat, Brian, got the specific number, but it’s essentially flat Alex.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

So roughly 36% or so something like that?

Brian Meyers

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Correct. Like 36.5%.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Okay. And then in the student start decline for the quarter I think in the past you've talked about the number of campuses in the portfolio that were positive, do you have a similar comment like that today?

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

No, I think we’ve given the number in the prior quarter and essentially stayed the same and instead of -- we’ve always tried to speak very generally about that percentage because we’ve been reporting one segment as you know Alex over our entire time being a public company. As we move forward, we’ll move into segments where we’ll be able to talk a little more freely and specifically about how those schools are performing and then you’ll essentially see what schools sit in the transitional segment as well. For the fourth quarter just, because you mentioned that, we had expected the decline. It was about 200 students and that was due to less spending and we actually did a little better than we anticipated in the end of the year exactly where we thought we were with the modest 3% down for the year.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Okay. And then lastly in the buckets again where automotive, now that will include skilled trade, Allied Healthcare that will include business and IT and then transitional.

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Correct.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Okay. And then the last question, I have to comment because it represents a change from the previous quarter, but you talked about the appraisal value on the real estate, I think you had always said it was $50 million and today you said it was $80 million, has there been new appraisal or other things in that bucket?

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

No, just to clarify, the appraisal has always been up in that range. Those are official appraisals. We thought we could monetize above $50 million this year. So that’s the difference. We’re going to monetize a certain percentage of that total appraised value.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Okay. And then lastly and I'll get back in the queue, you said that there is other options besides mortgages now that have kind of come to the surface, a new long-term letter of credit. Is that what it is your line of credit and then what were those?

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Yeah, we’re looking at all options at this point and ultimately Alex, we want to make the best long-term decision for the company and our shareholders and so initially, I think we've talked about a combination of perhaps mortgages or a sale leaseback, but we’re looking at all options at this point, which include mortgages, sales leasebacks, it includes long-term credit facility and also the selling of other potential assets as well. And so we are still focused on monetizing to a certain dollar amount but it might come in a different form than we had originally anticipated and we think the good news is that we’ve got these additional options, but I’ll just say finally that what’s allowing us to take our time to make the best decision is the extension of our credit facility, our current credit facility which is giving us that flexibility.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Got it. And then one follow on to that, sorry, you said potential sale of campuses, is that more than just sale of real estate, are you talking about selling up a business?

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

We could. We could sell a business. We know that we’ve got some very valuable assets. We hold them in high regard and high value, but there are options as well.

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Got you. Okay. Thank you for your patience.

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Hi Alex that was 15 questions in one. Just wanted to…

Alex Paris

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

I apologize to those in the queue behind me. I know how that feels. Sorry.

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please proceed

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Jeff Silber

Analyst · Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

Okay. I’ll start with question number 16 then.

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

Hi Jeff.

Jeff Silber

Analyst · Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

How are you doing?

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

Good.

Jeff Silber

Analyst · Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

I’m curious about the decision to rescind the dividend and what it would take for you to consider reinstituting that, what signs would you be looking for in your business?

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

It’s a good business. We’ve -- Jeff as you know, we’ve always wanted to be a dividend offering company and when we reported today that we’ve made the decision to discontinue it, we felt that it was prudent in these particular circumstances and it ultimately -- as we’re looking to monetize our real estate and improve our cash position, it just made sense right now. In addition to that, we’re at a point that we see a stability in the organization that we haven’t seen in quite a while. We feel that we’ve got an opportunity to essentially invest. We don’t want to continue to cutting our way to profitability. We’d like to do a combination of cost cutting and investment. And with that said, we can use those dollars no matter how little or great they are at this particular time. We’ll always assess the opportunity to provide a return to the shareholders, but at this point of time we thought that the investment in the company at a time of stability gives us a greater opportunity to return shareholder investment. We’ll always in the future anticipate potential time for dividend just not right now. Q – Jeff Silber: Okay. That’s fair enough. Just a couple of numbers question in terms of your guidance for this year, what should we be using for changes in revenue per student for depreciation and amortization?

Brian Meyers

Analyst · Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

Revenue per student will be essentially flat. It will be flat. It’s going to increase less than $10 per student.

Scott Shaw

Analyst · Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

And just on that Brian, we're talking about revenue per student earlier Jeff and we’ve added a number of scholarships to assist students in terms of their affordability and those scholarships are somewhat offset by modest tuition increases which keeps our revenue per student flat for the year. Q – Jeff Silber: Okay. I’m sorry depreciation and amortization?

Brian Meyers

Analyst · Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

Depreciation will be decreased. I don’t have that because all are -- I think depreciation and amortization might be fluctuating about like $70 million, which is down for 2014 levels due to our impairments that we’ve taken previously. Q – Jeff Silber: Okay. And are you going to be providing us I guess restated historicals for at least 2014 based on your new continuing operations, so we could model out for those?

Brian Meyers

Analyst · Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

Well it will be in our K, our continuing operations. We don’t -- what we’re not going to have and I can share with you is carving out Fern Park, Hamden, Aliante because we're reporting numbers in our guidance excluding those facilities. So they are included in continuing operations, but I can walk you through their losses and their revenue. Q – Jeff Silber: Okay. We can follow-up on that and again in your K, you’ll be providing that in a quarterly basis?

Brian Meyers

Analyst · Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

Yes. Q – Jeff Silber: Okay. Great. Thanks so much.

Brian Meyers

Analyst · Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed.

Trace Urdan

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

So my question is about the closed campuses, I guess the Fern Park and the cash pay campuses; were they making a positive contribution to overhead? Were they generating cash or they were burning cash?

Scott Shaw

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Hi Trace, it’s Scott, they’re both using cash on a marginal basis. So that’s why it just makes sense as to close on it this time.

Trace Urdan

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Okay. And then my next question, which you could potentially anticipate is how many of the 30 campuses remaining are in that same position of not making a positive contribution to overhead at this point?

Scott Shaw

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

We have approximately -- we've six that are not contributing to overhead at this point.

Trace Urdan

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Okay. So those would really be the ones that you’re making a bet on being able to turnaround, I think…

Scott Shaw

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Absolutely.

Trace Urdan

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

You'll try and say 20, 24 months is that kind of the timeframe that…

Scott Shaw

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Yes, as we look at where their populations are and what we’re doing to turn them around and what they’ve achieved in 2014, we anticipate that within the next 24 months that number will go away.

Trace Urdan

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Okay. I think you called that welding specifically and the skilled trade areas. I know that's kind of a place holder for growth in the oil industry. Are you guys seeing any -- are you concerned at all about the declining oil prices and whether those might have a depressive effect on the strength that you’ve seen recently in skilled trades?

Scott Shaw

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Yes definitely it could impact the placement side. We're still seeing very strong growth on demand on the front side and so that just means we'll just continue to look for other opportunities, but there continues to be additional growth opportunities because of all the lower priced oil. There is lot construction of facilities that are still going to go on and so they still require welders, but it is something we will need to watch very carefully.

Trace Urdan

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Okay. The training or the working with companies to provide advanced skilled training to their employees, are you doing any of that now…

Scott Shaw

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Sorry Trace.

Trace Urdan

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

No, no go ahead.

Scott Shaw

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

We are doing right now, but at a very minimal level nothing of any great significance and so what we’re trying to do is really put some resources behind making that a much larger presence. But we’ve always done, I’ll say some one-off training of that nature. Now we really want to put a little more structure behind it just because we see really continued need for it.

Trace Urdan

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Okay. Great.

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Just real quickly on that -- those two. We've seen probably more companies come to us over the last 12 months than we maybe ever seen in this company and so the demand is very strong. It's figuring out how to tailor programs that fit their need, but we see that as a real opportunity moving forward in this company.

Trace Urdan

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Okay. Is that the kind of thing where you would make announcements as you sign those deals or it is still more in the [quick] [ph] mode?

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

I would say if it is significant enough, we would make announcement, otherwise it’s probably be just a lot of the incremental opportunities that we secure over time.

Trace Urdan

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Okay. And then a last question from me, you called out the automotive and skilled trades, I understand that that's a particular strength right now, but can you comment specifically on what your outlook is for Allied Health like what you’re seeing there? I take it that that's the weaker segment. Can you just speak a little maybe more qualitatively about what you’re thinking the outlook is there?

Scott Shaw

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Sure, it’s a weaker segment, but still has lots of opportunity. Everything you read and see and what we hear is there is going be more need for people in the allied health sector and so we’re discontinuing to enhance our programs and look at adding additional programs into those campuses. But the campuses are basically flat and we anticipate that what they need is just some additional population to make them profitable and there is definitely opportunities within the allied health sector to achieve that we believe over the next 24 months.

Trace Urdan

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

When you describe the competition that you’re seeing from a strengthening labor market now, does that apply more to one segment versus another?

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

No, it's kind of across the Board.

Trace Urdan

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Trace Urdan with Wells Fargo securities. Please proceed

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your next question comes from the line of Bill Nasgovitz with Heartland. Please proceed.

Bill Nasgovitz

Analyst · Bill Nasgovitz with Heartland. Please proceed

Good morning, guys.

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Bill Nasgovitz with Heartland. Please proceed

Hey, good morning, Bill.

Bill Nasgovitz

Analyst · Bill Nasgovitz with Heartland. Please proceed

Shaun, I came on late, so I hate to be repetitious, but just today the jobs came out and the number of job opening is at a 14 year high -- 14 year high, so it is a question of are we just too pricy or our price is too high or do we have the wrong offerings? How come we’re not filling this void?

Shaun McAlmont

Analyst · Bill Nasgovitz with Heartland. Please proceed

We look at it two ways. We look at the demand on the front end and then the demand on the back end and if you look at our placement rates, you'll see that we’re filling the demand quite well in terms of our placement right now. The demand on the front we're definitely seeing some competition from students choosing to take low wage jobs. In terms of pricing, we’ve chosen to temporarily lower our price through additional scholarships versus a hard price increase and one of the reasons we do that is we found that students see it -- more motivational that they achieve scholarship versus just recognizing the benefit of a lower price not really relative to anything else. And so we’ll continue to go at that route and I think Bill, you'll also notice that education in general is seeing the same competition and also you'll see scholarships really prominently in our sector as well as the broader education sector.

Bill Nasgovitz

Analyst · Bill Nasgovitz with Heartland. Please proceed

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen with that, that concludes our Q&A session and I’d like to thank everybody for your participation on today’s conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect and have a great day.