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Q2 2013 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 9, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the NeoPhotonics 2013 Second Quarter Conference Call. This call is being webcast live on the NeoPhotonics Event Calendar webpage at www.neophotonics.com. This call is property of NeoPhotonics and any recording, reproduction or transmission of this call without the expressed written consent of NeoPhotonics is prohibited. You may listen to a webcast replay of this call by going to the NeoPhotonics webpage. I would now like to turn the conference over to Erica Mannion, Investor Relations of NeoPhotonics. .

Erica Mannion

Investor Relations

Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us to discuss NeoPhotonics operating results for the second quarter of 2013. With me today are Tim Jenks, Chairman and CEO and JD Fay, CFO. Tim will begin with an overview of the quarter followed by JD who will provide financial details. Tim will continue with discussion of growth strategy, expanded production and recent product developments before opening the call for questions. The call today contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. These include statements related to the NeoPhotonics business outlook for the quarter ending September 30, 2013, future periods and industry trends, and forward-looking statements that management may make in response to questions. Actual results may differ materially from forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause results to differ materially from these statements include those described in today’s press release as well as those detailed in the section entitled “Risk Factors” of the Company’s Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q most recently filed with the SEC. NeoPhotonics cautions you not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements, and that these statements speak only as of the date they are made. Non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed today. Please visit NeoPhotonics Investor Relations website for the Company’s press release, which contains an explanation of these non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliation to the comparable GAAP measures. Before I turn the call over to the CEO, I would like to mention that management will be presenting the dbAccess technology conference on September 11, in Las Vegas, and the Craig-Hallum Conference on September 26 in New York City. Now I will turn the call over to CEO Tim Jenks.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Thank you for joining us today. NeoPhotonics made solid progress during the last year and we continue that trajectory in our second quarter of 2013. We met or beat each of our projections, significantly accelerated our 100 gigabyte product growth and continued to make progress on a profitability path. In addition we saw very good results from the strategic acquisition of LAPIS Semiconductor Optical Components unit that we closed in the first quarter which enhanced our 100 gig product portfolio. Henceforth I will refer to this business as NeoPhotonics Semiconductor. We continued to see strong traction with our 100 gig and Coherent products and momentum with new product in the pipeline. Revenue in the second quarter was $75 million, which was at the high end of our projected range of $70 million to $75 million and over 30% above our first quarter. Excluding the impact of this acquisition our revenue growth was approximately 13% sequentially. We are pleased with the growth we’ve achieved. Our growth was driven primarily by our 100 gig products including those used in telecom coherent networks plus contributions from the NeoPhotonics semiconductor. Revenue from our 100 gig products increased more than 50% compared with the prior quarter and this result is up more than 350% on a year-over-year comparison. 100 gig product growth led to our highest quarter revenue in the company’s history. 100 gig is a strong market and one in which we believe we are a share taker. We have a broad suite of solutions for 100 gig transmission, and our customers tell us that our product performance often exceed that of our competitors. It is also noteworthy that approximately 50% of NeoPhotonics semiconductor revenues comes from 100 gig product applications. We continue to work on increasing our content per port, at 100 gig…

James Fay

Management

For the second quarter of 2013 revenue was $75 million, and as noted earlier was at the high end of our projections and highest quarterly revenue in our history. GAAP gross margins for the second quarter was 20.2%, non-GAAP gross margin for the second quarter was 25%, which was also at the top end of our projection and which was (inaudible) pre-quarters non-GAAP gross margin of 23.1%. Loss from continuing operations for the second quarter of 2013 was $9.5 million, an improvement from the loss of $10.5 million in the first quarter of 2013. Diluted loss per share from continuing operations for the second quarter of 2013 was $0.31, an improvement from a loss of $0.34 in the prior quarter and compares to a loss of $0.13 in the same period last year. Non-GAAP loss from continuing operations for the second quarter of 2013was $3.5 million, an improvement from the loss of $4.4 million in the first quarter of 2013. Non-GAAP diluted loss per share from continuing operations was $0.11; this was an improvement compared to $0.14 loss in the preceding quarter and is down from a $0.6 loss in the year ago period. Non-GAAP income and non-GAAP diluted per share from continuing operations for the second quarter of 2013 exclude certain items that totaled approximately $6 million, about half of which was related to our acquisition in the first quarter of this year and are described in our press release issued today before this call and which can be found on our website. Adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter of 2013 was $1.2 million, an improvement from an EBITDA loss of $1.7 million in the first quarter. The quarterly improvement in adjusted EBITDA of $2.9 million was primarily due to improvement in our operating performance of approximately $0.9 million…

Timothy Jenks

Management

Thank you, JD. To wrap up, I would like to talk a bit about industry dynamics as well as our growth strategy, expanded production and recent product developments. To comment briefly on the industry environment, going forward we expect to see incremental increases in carrier CapEx, (inaudible) was recently announced by Verizon and increasing program awards for 100 gig transport and metro deployments which we would expect to result in increasing demand conditions over time. China was slower than expected in the first half of the year and we anticipate this to continue into the second half as large tenders announced by two of China’s largest carriers have taken longer to be awarded than originally estimated by local analysts and our customers. We anticipate these deployments will start to pick up later this year but timing is difficult to predict and we have reflected this in our third quarter projections. We’ve been delivering strong growths for many quarters and would expect an increase in economic growth in China could be a accompanied by stronger demand from China network equipment manufactures and in turn could increase our top line and create additional leverage in our operating model. In particular, tenders in China include plans for 100 gig network deployments over the next two years which as we are leveraged to the industry leaders; we believe will strengthen our product mix and our market position as we participate in those network upgrades. On the access side, market growth rates have declined. So, we anticipate that this segment will decline slightly as a percent of total revenue over time. We believe that we are well position for rapid growth of a 100 gig deployments. Our 100 gig solutions constitute a strong product offering that we’ve aggressively expanded. We have in sourced key parts…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions). And we’ll go first to Alex Henderson with Needham & Company. Alex Henderson - Needham & Co: I was hoping you could give us a little bit more clarity on the mix of business around the Coherent line. It looks like your commentaries including the NeoPhotonics semi in the progression. So, can you talk about the 100 gig quarter-to-quarter growth, year-over-year growth if we exclude the acquisition so we can look at it on an apples-to-apples basis?

Timothy Jenks

Management

Sure. We talked about specifically the NeoPhotonics Semiconductor $11.4 million in the quarter so we can certainly take that out. On a comparative basis maybe for the quantitative comparison I’ll ask JD to give you the details.

James Fay

Management

So, 400 gigabyte is about 39% of total revenue. If you take out the half of new NeoPhotonics semiconductors revenues and you get to around $24 million for the organic high speed revenues for the second quarter. Alex Henderson - Needham & Co: So what would the rate of change be quarter-to-quarter year-over-year in with that calculation?

Timothy Jenks

Management

The rate of change quarter-to-quarter is about 10% Alex Henderson - Needham & Co: So it’s sub 10% quarter-to-quarter?

Timothy Jenks

Management

That’s correct. Alex Henderson - Needham & Co: Okay, so the second question as we’re looking at the LAPIS results obviously there is some seasonality to your historical business. But given the LAPIS addition, should we be looking at sequential growth in LAPIS flat? How should we be thinking about the new NeoPhotonics semi business on a sequential basis? And then second on the same lines, as we’re looking at now 72% speed and agility, your historical seasonality in the back half has been driven partly by the fact that you had a lower end business that was more (inaudible). Is your seasonality now changing as a result of the math the shift in the mix of your business?

Timothy Jenks

Management

I think, let me deal with the first part. With respect to NeoPhotonics semiconductor we would expect that business to stand in the $11 million to $12 million range for the next quarter, so relatively flat and I would also anticipate that on ongoing basis perhaps some of the growth of that business will be serving internal leads. So I think from a modeling point of view think about it as relatively flat maybe slightly up. With respect to the seasonality, the access business has been particularly seasonal and so given that, that business is a smaller percent of the total it does reflect potentially being a bit less seasonal. We do still have the impacts though on the overall business of the Chinese New Year and the fact and the fact that the first quarter is therefore a shorter quarter. So we would fully expect to continue to have seasonality, just maybe slightly diminished. Alex Henderson - Needham & Co: And then finally the last piece of the puzzle that you addressed was the mitigation of manufacturing past excesses is less than 1 million now. You obviously took a pretty good size hit in the last couple of quarters on that when will we have that back to where it should be no excesses at all?

Timothy Jenks

Management

It should be in the normal levels this quarter being in the third quarter of this year. So I expect it to be in normal levels now. In general nothing really ever goes to zero but it should be in the normal range now.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll now go to Simon Leopold with Raymond James. Simon Leopold - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Wanted to see if we could talk a little bit about the dynamics of the Chinese market, the 100 gig, you gave us some helpful color on the delays of the tender. Could you give us some sense of the Chinese market in terms of how much they’ve deployed if anything to-date of 40 gig and 100 gig Coherent. So how penetrated is it? And then your sense of when these projects do eventually get awarded and ramp, what’s your thought of sizing that opportunity and just the last part of that you did mentioned sort of the China seasonality, typically the March quarter where Chinese New Year slow. I think you suggested that maybe you wouldn’t see as much slowness, if you could just reiterate what you were saying before on seasonality as well?

Timothy Jenks

Management

Since you asked about 40 as well as a 100 gig I think that we need to go back in time and initially the deployments started out as 40 gig DQPSK deployments in China and that continued for some period of time. But now I think we’re in the legacy period of that and 100 gig in 2012 we started seeing 40 gig coherent and since then it’s been largely 100 gig coherent. Now I think in the first half of the year, there were expectations that were residual from 2012 talking about increases in the business for domestic China and to some extent that was attributable to the two largest carriers in this space which should China Mobile and China Telecom. We saw some tender announcements in the second quarter generally the expectation is the larger ones are yet to come. But during the second quarter it was anticipated that those would be awarded and going into production in the third quarter. That has not yet happened. But I think ultimately we absolutely continue expect that those carriers will increase their deployments with the additional awards of tenders that have already been announced. Does that answer your question Simon? Simon Leopold - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: It partly answers it. so you had once, I think we all at once expected it in the third quarter of this year and so there's evidence that that's not happening in the third quarter, what's your best estimate of the timing today, is it the fourth quarter of this year, first quarter of next year, obviously not awarded means you can't say for sure but your best forecast.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Well you know China Mobile, their tender was quite large, I think it was in the range of 12,000 lines of a 100 gig and smaller for China Telecom, you know current expectations do span both 4Q and 1Q with respect to customer forecast it's difficult to say when it actually will start, I don't know the answer to that. Simon Leopold - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Okay well, nonetheless that's helpful certainly to get that dynamic, six month window is far better than having no clue, so I appreciate that and know it's not awarded yet at this point so understand. You did mention the Lapis business was about a 11.4 this quarter, I think that maybe just a little bit lighter than what we were thinking so, first of all correct me if I'm wrong and two, just let us know if it was lighter, what was the delta.

James Fay

Management

This is JD, we were thinking it would be in the range of $10-12 million, I believe that's the projection that we gave in the last quarter, so from our perspective doing $11.4 million we thought was right in line with our expectations, in fact it's just above the mid-point. Simon Leopold - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: And did the addition of the Lapis business have any effect on your customer mix, because it was a little bit different than the prior quarter, notably Sienna being a smaller customer, is some of this that Sienna has not been a customer Lapis whereas maybe Huawei was, is that part of what's going on or am I reading too much into it.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Yes Simon, I think last quarter we talked about having four customers who were about 10%, they were Alcatel, Sienna, Cisco and Huawei and this quarter JD noted that it was Alcatel, Sienna and Huawei and because of the fact that we did add the NeoPhotonics semiconductor business, essentially Cisco was not a direct customer and so that dilute out if you will of the 10%, other changes are mix changes, of those customers, Huawei for example was a direct customer, all of them were not. Simon Leopold - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Okay. and then one just one last trending question if I might, the access business has been kind of trending down to establish but with the China builds for 4G mobile a lot of base stations going in, I have to imagine there's back hole opportunity, do we make the assumption that the access business responds favorably to those projects as well.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Yes, it does, in particular, these tend to be, the part that reacts favorably if you will tends to be in 4G rollouts dealing with 10 gig connections that tend to use SFP+ form factor products. Simon Leopold - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: And where does that fit in your business, speed and agility or access?

Timothy Jenks

Management

That would fit into speed and agility. Simon Leopold - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Okay, where I was going is, I was wondering whether or not there was any tailwind on the access from backhaul.

Timothy Jenks

Management

I think it's small, there is some but it’s small.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions), and we'll go to Richard Shannon with Craig Hallum.

Richard Shannon - Craig Hallum

Management

Let's see, a few questions from me, maybe just looking at your third quarter guidance just any way you can spec out the revenues, split of revenues in your expectations by the major groups there and specifically how you're thinking of the 40 and 100 gig category, think your quality of comments suggest a growth but anyway you can characterize any other way it would be great.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Certainly I think the strongest growth we expect to be in the 100 gig category which really was part of the discussion in one of the prior correct questions related to timing in China but certainly it's been very strong in North America and Europe and we expect to continue that trend. The access business I think, that business does begin to see the effect of seasonality and so I would expect that to play out more in the fourth quarter than in the third quarter.

Richard Shannon - Craig Hallum

Management

And if I'm doing my math right to get to the pro forma EPS which suggest op ex is going to grow by about a $1 million, JD is that about right and how should we think about the op ex going forward.

James Fay

Management

The OpEx for the third quarter should, micro a little bit as we invest in the 100 gigabyte products that Tim talked about a bit earlier, but not a lot. One of the elements in the GAAP numbers is the amortization of intangibles and that is from the NeoPhotonics Semiconductor acquisition. But on a non-GAAP basis, it should be relatively flat, maybe slightly up sequentially.

Richard Shannon - Craig Hallum

Management

I think in a previous question, just want to confirm regarding the 100 gig datacomp products CFP1s, in past quarters you talked about some gross margin effects. And part of that being driven by some very good demand, very high utilization there. Is that the lower effects of that going forward, does that imply that this is not running as much flat, did you added capacity or has demand more flattened out recently, can you, any discussion on that would be great please?

James Fay

Management

Yes, we’re continuing see good demand in the 100 gig module products. We have announced two new CFP2 products which we would expect to begin to flow into that segment here going forward, certainly more in 2014 than in 2013. But I think that will be an important product addition to the portfolio. But the demand continues apace on the 100 gig.

Richard Shannon - Craig Hallum

Management

One last question from me and Tim, it’s kind of response to your prepared remarks, you discussed 100 gig Coherent, especially opportunities outside of long haul going into metro. Would love to hear your thoughts on when you start to see more real demand, a sizable material demand coming from the metro? And also how well do you think you are positioned relative to each other in those two segments that you are better off in metro versus long haul, love to hear your thoughts there as well, please.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Well, first of all the timing question, second the positioning. The timing we would expect it to be 2014, start of deployment. We would expect 2015 to be a very strong ramp. So it’s not, metro deployments really are not notably a 2013 event. We think we are quite well positioned from a product position where we are selling products and where we have design wins. These are the kinds of products that we have been selling into the transport networks as well for example Coherent receivers and narrow line with suitable lasers most notably. The products that go into regional and metro tend to have particular smaller size and lower power requirements. So for example our micro-ITLA will be targeted for use in those kinds of applications as well. Generally we think we are reasonably well positioned. We think we have a good suite of products and we look forward to those programs actually going into production.

Operator

Operator

Eric Ghernati

Management

Hi this is Eric Ghernati for Tal, just a few questions. So first I want to start with your plan of targets for organic growth of 8% to 10%. Is it correct to assume, I mean given sort of, that you expect flat, to be a relatively flattish, it’s pretty significant sequential growth in Q4. This is not a target that can be reasonably accomplished at this point in time. - Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Hi this is Eric Ghernati for Tal, just a few questions. So first I want to start with your plan of targets for organic growth of 8% to 10%. Is it correct to assume, I mean given sort of, that you expect flat, to be a relatively flattish, it’s pretty significant sequential growth in Q4. This is not a target that can be reasonably accomplished at this point in time.

James Fay

Management

Eric, I think that certainly the impact of China overall and the fact that those tender words have not yet happened, that does affect our ability to get the topline for the full year that we had expected during the first half, you’re right.

Eric Ghernati

Management

And just to be clear, because earlier you said LAPIS was trending above your plans but then your plans, you’re initially planning for a quarter was for $40 million to $50 million but it seems like it’s more going to be like 33 million or 35 million this year. Is that correct? - Bank of America Merrill Lynch: And just to be clear, because earlier you said LAPIS was trending above your plans but then your plans, you’re initially planning for a quarter was for $40 million to $50 million but it seems like it’s more going to be like 33 million or 35 million this year. Is that correct?

James Fay

Management

Actually what we had said was that last quarter we said we would do $10 million to $12 million and we had 11.4. And in this quarter we said that it was 11.4 but we said it was slightly above our plan on gross margin. Now the $45 million number that you quote, that was the external sales of NeoPhotonics semiconductor prior to the sale, that nine months prior to our acquisition. But of course our actual external revenue has to reduce internal sales. So 45 was a comparative number for the business as part of its prior owner. I hope that’s clear.

Eric Ghernati

Management

Okay and then question on the competitive dynamics that you see in the marketplace. Any change because you clearly are doing great some 100 gig but if you can give us an update that will be great. - Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Okay and then question on the competitive dynamics that you see in the marketplace. Any change because you clearly are doing great some 100 gig but if you can give us an update that will be great.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Well the competitive dynamics of the market place is there anything more…

Eric Ghernati

Management

Specifically on 100 gig. - Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Specifically on 100 gig.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Well as a general statement, 100 gig is an important strategic thrust of each of the major systems companies. And so the major systems companies have been some aggressive and trying to deploy their systems and win carrier customers for those deployments. Certainly each of our largest customers are very active participants in the 100 gig deployments and certainly that flows through benefit us and we're very pleased to be in a position of serving each of those Tier 1. It is a competitive market with no doubt, as 100 gig becomes more and more important part of the overall deployment rate, other competitors are similarly working to gain market share. So we do focus on our products go into 10 gig as well as 100 gig, we have active we have passive each one of those product groups in each one of those data reads being different groups of competitors. But as there is a change from 10 gig to 100 gig it does create a very competitive focus for gaining customers and share at 100 gig.

Eric Ghernati

Management

If I recall it correctly at the time of your IPO you had aspiration at some point in time to 400 gig, 1400 to be more than 50% of your revenue, you have clearly exceeded that by wide margin. You had expected that at these levels, this mix you would be generating gross margins in the 30%. What do you think has changed since then that has not allowed you to get to that 30%. - Bank of America Merrill Lynch: If I recall it correctly at the time of your IPO you had aspiration at some point in time to 400 gig, 1400 to be more than 50% of your revenue, you have clearly exceeded that by wide margin. You had expected that at these levels, this mix you would be generating gross margins in the 30%. What do you think has changed since then that has not allowed you to get to that 30%.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Well I think we are making progress certainly on the gross margins, you are right we’re not there today but we actually have been there a couple of times in our history. So first thing I think to about when we go back and look over the last couple of years is that we have done a couple of acquisitions and that has caused the gross margins to go down temporarily. But in each of these cases the gross margins actually have come back up. So I think certainly at the time of the IPO we were thinking about organic models going forward and we have done those acquisitions. Overall I think those acquisitions actually have been very additive for the business and I think it will prove that these were wise moves over the longer term. I think there is still opportunity to grow further in gross margins. 100 gig coherent is now here and as Tim mentioned here we believe stay for a long time. So I think we've got a tremendous opportunity ahead of us to continue to deliver this PIC based products with potentially higher gross margins. And furthermore we mentioned earlier on the call in the prepared remarks that we'd open our new facility in Dongguan. And we think that also has the opportunity for us to grow gross margins overtime. Up to this point we had only cost in the income statement as we have built out that facility, but as we announced on June 26th the facility is now open. And we believe it will contribute to revenue and thus potentially gross margin beginning now in the third quarter.

Eric Ghernati

Management

And just my final question, you typically have pricing resets in Q4, but then does seem like you are going to become commensurate towards hopefully some substantial increase in mix of fibers to the home. Like how should we think about the dynamics that sum around in Q4 because generally seasonality is kind of different than what it looks like right now? - Bank of America Merrill Lynch: And just my final question, you typically have pricing resets in Q4, but then does seem like you are going to become commensurate towards hopefully some substantial increase in mix of fibers to the home. Like how should we think about the dynamics that sum around in Q4 because generally seasonality is kind of different than what it looks like right now?

Timothy Jenks

Management

I didn't understand one part of the question Eric; you said how mix changes with respect to fiber to the home?

Eric Ghernati

Management

Well, I mean if I look at last few years your fiber to the home it’s kind of all over the place, but in two years if was up in Q4 and one you it’s down generally either up or down depending the uptake. But in Q4 you generally also have pricing resets, and so I am just wondering about I guess how should we think about gross margin in Q4 with all the dynamics, high mix of access pressing and all that. - Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Well, I mean if I look at last few years your fiber to the home it’s kind of all over the place, but in two years if was up in Q4 and one you it’s down generally either up or down depending the uptake. But in Q4 you generally also have pricing resets, and so I am just wondering about I guess how should we think about gross margin in Q4 with all the dynamics, high mix of access pressing and all that.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Yes, so in Q4 we do have the preponderance of our annual bids are done during Q4, some of the larger customers do impact us in December, others in January. But that is the pricing reset that you note as those new pricing agreements come into place, what we would expect though is that in our prepared remarks I said that we would expect the access business to be slightly smaller on a percentage basis, we think that that would reflect in the second half of the year. We also think that the growth rate of access was its continuing to grow as a market, the growth rates have diminished whereas the high speed 100 gig growth rates do not appear to be diminishing and therefore on a percentage basis, we would expect to see the mix change in favor of the 100 gig products. So I think those are the issues that we will see in 3Q and 4Q with the other major thing is being the timing of the China 100 gig deployments.

Operator

Operator

And we now go to Brian Modoff with Deutsche Bank.

Brian Modoff - Deutsche Bank

Management

On the 100G, can you give us a little bit more kind of granularly around that you would expect that to, what’s the runway you see for the 100 gig modules. You said you think this we're in the early stages of this market. What percent of volumes do you think shipping as 100G in term ports? And any opportunities with other customers like say Cisco, they do a lot of their own internal optics these days, do you see any opportunities with a player like that to expand your relationship?

Timothy Jenks

Management

Yes, we would expect that on a year-on-year basis, the number of Coherent ports is significantly increasing and it’s basically doubling each year. Currently, the percentage of ports that are actually 100 gig or probably in the 20% of ports arena. I think the question about which we are selling to each of the major suppliers of 100 gig. You mentioned Cisco, Cisco did acquire CoreOptics, CoreOptics build transponders and the transponders do use components that they source, so we are continuing to sell to all of the major manufacturers of equipment that does 100 gig Coherent and I would expect that whether it’s transponder or line card content you will find NeoPhotonics inside.

Brian Modoff - Deutsche Bank

Management

And just kind of in longer term kind of topic, you have given numbers in the past around where you expect to be in terms of margins and what revenues; I guess you are back to break-even. Can you kind of update that for us? Kind of what are your targets now for breaking even and any view on the time horizon to that? Thank you.

Timothy Jenks

Management

From a breakeven point of view we still believe that revenues in the order of $75 million to $80 million with gross margins on a non-GAAP basis in the high 20s up to 30% with stable operating expenses, is the breakeven metrics and we are still focused on that. We have been focused on that for a couple of quarters now still believe that to be the case. Now of course we have got a couple of items that we can toggle there growth mix and operating expenses but you can see the operating expenses with the acquisition of NeoPhotonics Semiconductor starting to stabilize a bit and with the additional NeoPhotonics Semiconductor products more 100 gig you will start to see the gross margins come up a bit and then the revenue is come up a bit so I believe we are on that path and that’s really is a focus for the business right is to continue, making process towards breakeven and then after that focus on a sustainably profitable business on an annual basis.

Operator

Operator

And we will now go back to Alex Henderson with Needham & Company. Alex Henderson - Needham & Company: Just to be clear, after that last question there has been a lot of noise in the market about silica and photonics, just to be absolutely clear there is no silica and photonics development in any Coherent applications without any impact of Cisco products on your 100 gig Coherent line is that correct?

Timothy Jenks

Management

That is correct Alex. Alex Henderson - Needham & Company: Right just wanted to make sure, the acquisition that you did on CoreOptics is really around the DSP line and not something that has to do with the lasers or the parts of the business that are the predominant pieces of what you are selling. Anyway so my second question…

Timothy Jenks

Management

That was transponders for Coherent and then there is subsequent work on Lightwire was dealing with silicon photonic, so I was just responding to the prior question about Cisco. so your conclusion is absolutely right. Alex Henderson - Needham & Company: The core the (inaudible) product though is a data center product and doesn’t have anything to do with your Teleco business which is really the point that’s critical here.

Timothy Jenks

Management

I think that is correct. Alex Henderson - Needham & Company: So the second question I was going to ask, I was certainly very surprised by the tax line in the quarter, I don’t normally end up asking questions about tax lines but that reversal to a pretty sizable expense so was a little bit of surprise. How should we be thinking about that going forward? Is that a function of the Japanese business? So what caused that swing from benefit to a loss there?

Timothy Jenks

Management

It was a function of the acquisition in NeoPhotonics Semiconductor; we put an estimate in the first quarter, right after we acquired the business. Now, in the second quarter we refine that estimate, we work with our tax advisors and we booked the provision. I think the provision is in line with our historical pattern and trends and I think that's what you ought to expect going forward. Alex Henderson - Needham & Company: So is it that rate consistently across the next several quarters is it the blend of the two that would give you the rate for the first half?

Timothy Jenks

Management

No, it would be that rate on our per quarter basis is more accurate estimates. Alex Henderson - Needham & Company: And then second question, when you looking at the gross margin trajectory into the back half for the year, I would assume that you’re also getting the benefit of the fall out of the million dollars I was hoping you could talk little bit about how much of cost that we’re absorbing as result of the capacity coming on stream but the production not being on that capacity. So, as we ramp up volume on that capacity of availability, how rapidly does that absorb the overhead and contribute to margin, what’s the incremental margin contribution on revenues associated with volume on that plant.

Timothy Jenks

Management

With respect to excess manufacturing cost we are actually pleased that those are down into the sub million dollar range and coming in with the more normalized pattern as you may recall we were pretty hard on that over the last three quarters to get that there. From the point of view of the new facility in the NeoPhotonics Dongguan its early but we do think that we’ll see some meaningful revenue from that factory this quarter and in particular I think what we’ve done well up to this point is we’ve sought to variablize (ph) that build out. So, we try to keep the build out phased so that we can bring some lines up, add the capacity as well as start to ship the products right away to minimize the drain on gross profit. So, the gross profit impact in the first half of the year has been in the order of a couple of million dollars. So, with some fairly modest revenues coming out of the Dongguan facility I think we can recover those costs and start to have it contribute positively to the gross margin, I believe by the end of the year. Alex Henderson - Needham & Company: So just to be clear, its couple of million dollars for the four halves, so about a million a quarter.

Timothy Jenks

Management

For the first half of this. Alex Henderson - Needham & Company: All right. So it's about a million a quarter.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Yes. It was not a flat line. So, it came in fits and starts to some degree but it adds out to that way. Alex Henderson - Needham & Company: And just going back to the Chinese piece, I was under the impression that the OEMs have been awarded the contracts and what we were waiting on was actually not the award of the contract but rather actual POs to start to build the actual capacity in the field. Am I reading that correctly or but I thought they had already decide who was awarded one half of China and the other half and whole of that.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Well, we are under the understanding there were initial awards and principally from China mobile. And that the secondary awards which are larger from both China Mobile and China Telecom have not yet happened. So, you are correct. they were done, they were awarded, they did go into production but that was earlier and smaller/ what everybody is talking about is larger tenders from both carriers that are to best of our knowledge are not yet awarded, they may well have decided who is getting them but we are not aware of them having being awarded.

Operator

Operator

And at this time I’d like to turn the call back to Tim Jenks for closing remarks.

Timothy Jenks

Management

Thank you. I’d like thank everyone for joining us today on this call. Before we conclude, I would like to thank our shareholders for their time today and their continued interest in the company. I also want to thank our customers for their continued support, and our exceptional employees for their dedicated, diligent and professional efforts. We do look forward to our next update with you. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

This does conclude today’s conference. Thank you for your participation.