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Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Sun, May 11, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the LivaNova PLC First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Emily, and I'll be coordinating your call today. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Ms. Briana Gotlin, LivaNova's Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Briana Gotlin

Management

Thank you, and welcome to our conference call and webcast discussing LivaNova's financial results for the first quarter of 2025. Joining me on today's call are Vladimir Makatsaria, our Chief Executive Officer and Member of the Board of Directors; Alex Shvartsburg, our Chief Financial Officer; Ahmet Tezel, our Chief Innovation Officer; Stephanie Bolton, President of Global Epilepsy; and Zach Glazier, Director of Investor Relations. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that the discussions during this call will include forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially are discussed in the company's most recent filings and documents furnished to the SEC, including today's press release that is available on our website. We do not undertake to update any forward-looking statements. Also, the discussions will include certain non-GAAP financial measures with respect to our performance, including, but not limited to, revenue results, which will be stated on a constant currency and organic basis. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in today's press release, which is available on our website. We have also posted a presentation to our website that summarizes the points of today's call. This presentation is complementary to the other call materials and should be used as an enhanced communication tool. You can find the presentation and press release in the Investors section of our website under News, Events and Presentations at investor.livanova.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Vlad.

Vladimir Makatsaria

Management

Thank you, Briana, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Welcome to LivaNova's conference call for the first quarter of 2025. Before turning to results in the quarter, allow me to comment on a few important updates: the 12-month data from our OSPREY trial, the SNIA ruling and the impact of tariffs. This morning, we announced 12-month top line data from OSPREY, our randomized controlled trial for moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, or OSA. The study featured a differentiated neurostimulation modality called proximal hypoglossal nerve stimulation, or pHGNS. The OSPREY trial demonstrated rapid and sustained improvement for patients, who received pHGNS, including those with severe OSA, elevated body mass index, or BMI, and high risk of complete concentric collapse. At 12 months of therapy, the treatment arm responder rate was 65%. The OSPREY 12-month results further validate the potential of this therapy as a treatment alternative for the large and growing OSA population. With the strength of our clinical data, the expertise of our neuromodulation team and the strategic growth opportunity ahead, we are eager to bring this innovation to patients. Ahmed will provide additional details on the trial results and our differentiated technology later in the call. Turning to the SNIA litigation. Our first quarter results include a liability of $360 million related to the Italian Supreme Court decision, which we disclosed a few weeks ago. Importantly, we believe the court's decision effectively retires a longstanding overhang on the company. Alex will provide more details on the financial implications of the ruling later in the call. Regarding tariffs, we are operating in an uncertain environment, and our top priority is to provide critical medical technologies to our customers and their patients. Based on an assessment of our geographic manufacturing footprint and supply chain, at present, we expect…

Ahmet Tezel

Management

Thanks, Vlad. As Vlad mentioned and as was announced in a stand-alone press release this morning, LivaNova achieved two critical milestones in the OSA program. First, we're excited to share the strong 12-month top line data from our OSPREY clinical study for moderate to severe OSA. At 12 months of therapy, the treatment arm responder rate was 65% with responders defined as those who realized at least 50% improvement from the baseline apnea hypopnea index, or AHI, and an AHI value below 20. Responder rates in the treatment group were strong throughout the first year with one in four patients responding on day one, 50% responding by month three and 65% responding by the 12-month mark, demonstrating rapid therapeutic onset and durable benefit over time. As a reminder, OSPREY is the first and only randomized controlled trial for hypoglossal nerve stimulation therapy to support U.S. regulatory approval to date. The study features a differentiated nerve stimulation modality called proximal hypoglossal nerve stimulation, or pHGNS, which utilizes six electrodes placed on the proximal trunk of the hypoglossal nerve. It offers broad access to the muscles controlling the airway and provides customized titration. The study enrolled a patient population representative of the general OSA population, including patients with greater OSA severity and higher BMI relative to other large-scale trials in support of U.S. FDA approval. Notably, OSPREY was also designed to include patients with complete concentric collapse, or CCC. Importantly, response rate and AHI reductions at month 12 for patients in OSPREY with predicted risk of CCC were consistent with the results of the full study population, demonstrating the robustness of the therapeutic response. In addition, we're excited about the median implant procedure time of 72 minutes, exhibiting speed and efficiency of implantation. We are pleased to announce that we recently completed…

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

Thanks, Ahmet. During my portion of the call, I'll share a brief recap of the first quarter results and provide commentary on our updated full year 2025 guidance, which reflects improving business performance and incorporates the impact of SNIA and tariffs. Turning to results. Revenue in the quarter was $317 million, an increase of 9% on a constant currency basis and 10% on an organic basis versus the prior year. Foreign exchange in the quarter had an unfavorable year-over-year impact of approximately $4 million or 1%. Adjusted gross margin as a percent of net revenue was 70% compared to 71% in the first quarter of 2024. This year-over-year decrease was driven by unfavorable product mix and inflationary headwinds, partially offset by favorable pricing across segments and geographies. Adjusted R&D expense in the first quarter was $38 million compared to $43 million in the first quarter of 2024. R&D as a percent of net revenue was 12%, down from 15% in the first quarter of 2024. The year-over-year decrease was primarily driven by investment optimization in the DTD program as we continue to pursue CMS coverage and the wind-down of the ACS segment. Adjusted SG&A expense for the first quarter was $120 million compared to $113 million in the first quarter of 2024. SG&A as a percent of net revenue was 38% and in line with the first quarter of 2024. The year-over-year increase on a dollar basis was driven by commercial investments to support growth as well as systems infrastructure to drive efficiencies and scalability. Adjusted operating income was $65 million compared to $53 million in the first quarter of 2024. Adjusted operating income margin was 20% compared to 18% in the first quarter of 2024. This increase was primarily driven by higher revenue, optimization of DTD program spend and…

Vladimir Makatsaria

Management

Thank you, Alex. Let me close by reinforcing what makes LivaNova unique. We hold leadership positions in both cardiopulmonary and epilepsy, where we are continuing to drive growth and margin expansion, while investing in innovation. Cardiopulmonary grew double digits in the first quarter with increasing adoption of Essenz, strong demand for consumables and clear line of sights to additional growth as we continue the Essenz rollout and expand manufacturing capacity. In epilepsy, our full year trajectory remains unchanged as we focus on maximizing VNS therapy access in the underpenetrated drug-resistant epilepsy patient population. Beyond the core, we are successfully executing against clinical and regulatory milestones in OSA. In particular, the strong 12-month data from the OSPREY trial validates the potential of our differentiated proximal HGNS therapy and positions OSA as a significant long-term growth opportunity for LivaNova. We are also making important progress towards CMS reimbursement reconsideration in difficult-to-treat depression. This program represents a meaningful opportunity to expand our portfolio and serve a large patient population with high unmet need. Finally, we believe the Italian Supreme Court's decision regarding the SNIA matter effectively retires a longstanding overhang for LivaNova and enables us to allocate capital with greater flexibility in line with our focus on long-term value creation. We look forward to providing more detail on our pipeline, growth opportunities and capital allocation strategy at our Investor Day. With that, we are ready to open the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Rick Wise with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Rick Wise

Analyst

Hi, good morning everyone. Hi, Vlad. A lot to unpack here, and a clearly directionally positive, very constructive performance. Good to see it. And just – gosh, I could start in 10 places. I'll start with the OSPREY data. Maybe just at a high level, can you help us understand – can you help us frame where you feel the data puts you on a market dynamic, market competitive basis against the existing competitors? And maybe just give us some color on timelines and how you're thinking about developing the commercial potential as you move forward.

Ahmet Tezel

Management

This is Ahmet. Good to hear you. So we're very happy with the strength of the clinical data. And just to recap, in our pivotal, which was the first RCT in this field for FDA approval, we enrolled more severe patients compared to the other pivotal trials. So we started with higher AHI, higher BMI. The other really important differentiation is that we did not exclude CCC patients. Actually, in our trial, about a third of the patients were high risk for CCC, and in the general population, it's about 25%. So we enrolled slightly higher patients than the general population in terms of CCC risk. Now, despite this, more severe patients in its baseline and not excluding CCC patients, we were able to achieve a rapid onset of therapy. One in four patients responded in day one. About 50% of the patients responded by day 90, and as we released, 65% at 12 months. So despite the severity and no exclusion of CCC, the therapeutic response was very strong. So we're very excited about it. Now, moving forward, while these results are already very strong, we believe there's further optimization we can do of this technology because of that differentiated six-electrode architecture where you put the electrodes on the proximal end of the nerve, at the trunk of the nerve. And that allows you to control broader muscle groups that control the airway. And what that means is that in the future, we can further improve these results by doing personalized titration, by using different electrodes with different frequencies, turning them on and off at different time points. And we're going to achieve that by using some automated algorithms. So the existing technology is very strong, but where this could go is even stronger. So we're very excited about it. And I think you asked about a little bit of timelines. I don't want to comment on FDA timelines, but this is a modular PMA. So we already submitted multiple modules, working closely with the agency. And our last module was the clinical module. And as we mentioned, we submitted that as well. So we're hoping for a relatively quick review. And the fact that it's a modular PMA also helps that as well. And in terms of the commercial piece, I'll turn it over to Vlad.

Vladimir Makatsaria

Management

Rick, good morning. Thank you for the question. And so, from a strategy point of view, this aligns very well with our direction to expand our portfolio into the areas of high unmet clinical need, high growth and the areas where we have the right to win with our capabilities in neuromodulation. And we believe that this differentiation, first in the approach with the proximal hypoglossal nerve stimulation; secondly, with the technology with six electrodes; and then finally, with the addressable market with more severe patients with high BMI with CCC, that we also anticipate a differentiated commercial strategy. And while we're confident in our ability to commercialize this portfolio ourselves, we are also in discussions with a number of potential partners to do that. And now that we have 12-month data, we're able to continue those discussions moving forward. And by the Investor Day, we will frame our full strategy, including commercial execution moving forward.

Rick Wise

Analyst

Great. And just as my follow-up question, I was hoping you could unpack the outlook for the HLM business in a little more detail. Obviously, for Essenz, you've got some new geographic approvals, et cetera. And just help us understand where are we in the Essenz placement, rollout life cycle? And on the oxygenator side, you're expanding capacity. But is there anything new – any new perspectives on competitor return to market? Or what's your line of sight there? Thank you so much.

Vladimir Makatsaria

Management

Thank you again. So let me start with oxygenator. Over the last two years, we've gained share. We estimate that we've progressed our share from low to mid-30s. And getting the exit from surgical perfusion business gives us additional opportunity for share gain moving forward in the areas of HLM, heater-cooler and then bypass disposables. On the oxygenator, we continue to see strong demand, and the demand continues to outpace the market's ability to supply. We continue to see our share gain momentum. Just to remind you that in 2024, we increased our capacity and output by 10%. In 2025, we are on track to have another 10% increase. And we have invested in additional manufacturing line, which we expect to go live in the middle of next year, and that will give us a step change in terms of capacity increase. So, on the disposable business, we're pleased with the performance in terms of share gain, and we see a path for longer-term growth and market share gain, given our expansion in our capacity. So that's on oxygenator front. On the HLM front, just to remind you that Essenz was – represented 40% of all the HLM placements in 2024. And this year, we are on path to get to 60%. And so, then if we look forward, we will go from 60% to 80% and then to 100%. A major milestone for us is China, where we got regulatory approval for Essenz ahead of expected timeline. So in April, we received the approval in China. China is our second largest market worldwide after the U.S. in terms of HLMs. The other thing that we're pleased with is we were able so far to maintain the price premium versus the previous generation, and that obviously is a significant growth driver for us. So I think on HLM, we're very pleased with the performance in the first quarter. We are on path to get to 60% placement penetration and to maintain price premium.

Rick Wise

Analyst

Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from David Roman with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, David.

David Roman

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, David.

Thank you. Good morning everybody. I wanted to start on the OUS neuromodulation business, which very much trended as you had communicated earlier this year. But could you just go through a little bit more detail as you think about the progression of what transpired between Q4 and Q1? And help us think about the sustainability of some of the changes you've made and the updated guidance you provided for that segment.

Stephanie Bolton

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, David.

Hi, David. It's Steph here. Thanks for the question. So our first quarter results for Europe certainly demonstrate the improved commercial execution outside the U.S. that we described on quarter four call. We're really pleased with the progress that the team has made, focusing on the fundamentals, strengthening our talent, improving our customer segmentation and focusing on our organic patient demand. We have started the year in a very healthy position, and our performance is indicative of organic patient demand. We've made some talent changes, and the impact of those is starting to read through. We've got experienced leaders supporting the field in the team – the team in the field rather. And we believe that the performance OUS will continue and we've incorporated that in the improved expectations for Europe for the guide. So – the other thing I would say is that we still know there's significant opportunity in the EU region. The DRE population is even less penetrated outside the U.S. And with our footprint and market leadership position, we're able to drive penetration. Thanks for the question.

David Roman

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, David.

And then, maybe as a follow-up on – I know, Alex, you've given the earnings walk here on Slide 18. But as you kind of put the pieces together here, the $0.21 of revenue and margin improvement, is that – should we think about the takeaway as you're utilizing – is that revenue and gross profit improvements that are helping cover the incremental investments in OSA and SNIA? Or are there other kind of OpEx adjustments included in there as well?

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

Hi, David. Yes, it's largely revenue and gross margin upside. We continue to optimize our spend across the P&L, but it's largely the top line and the associated gross margin.

David Roman

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, David.

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Adam Maeder with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Adam Maeder

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning and thank you for taking the questions. Congrats on the nice start to the year. From my vantage point, I wanted to start on tariffs. Alex, if I heard the commentary correctly, it sounds pretty manageable. I think you said $5 million impact to adjusted operating income this year. Hopefully, I heard that right. Can you just double-click on some of the assumptions in the tariff math that's built into the guidance? I think that came in better than expected. And then, in terms of the tariff mitigation strategy and kind of what's baked into the guidance, does that assume you're taking price or passing along price? Or is that not contemplated as an offset at this time? And then, I have a follow-up. Thanks.

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

Hi, Adam. Yes, so let me just start off. I think it's important to note that we are very well positioned in terms of the tariff situation. Our plan – so at first, we assessed our overall supply chain, and looking at the components coming in to our manufacturing sites, we largely assess that as negligible. So from that perspective, we're in good shape. I want to just again, reemphasize our manufacturing footprint. So our neuromod products, right, are manufactured in the U.S. 80% of our revenue comes from the U.S. Our HLM business and the bulk of our CP consumables are manufactured in Germany and Italy, right? And then, two thirds of that revenue base comes from outside the U.S. So you take that sort of as a whole, I think we have a largely manageable situation, based on what we know today. And again, the tariffs are indeed captured in our guidance that we provided today. And that's less than $5 million impact on our adjusted operating income for the balance of the year.

Adam Maeder

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Understood. Thanks Alex for the color there. Maybe I'll just ask one on the guidance front as well. You raised the guidance, 7% to 8% organic on the top line. Just maybe walk us through quarterly sequencing. And I show the Street sitting at Q2 revenue, I think, $331 million or so, $0.97 for adjusted EPS. Just any reaction to those figures and any comments as you kind of think about the rest of the year playing out? Thank you.

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

I think from a top line perspective, your – the Street is probably in the right ZIP code. I think our investments begin to kind of ramp. Usually, our Q1 is kind of the – on the lower end of the spectrum as it relates to OpEx. So we start to ramp our operating expenses kind of in the neighborhood of $160 million to $165 million per quarter. So I think that's largely in line. And then, of course, in Q2, we start to see the impact of the interest – the net interest expense related to the balance of the term loan A facility. So that's now incorporated into the operational performance metrics. So that's kind of the key adjustment there.

Adam Maeder

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Matt Taylor with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Mike Sarcone

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Good morning. This is Mike Sarcone on for Matt Taylor. Thanks for taking the question. Just a quick clarification on Adam's first question. That $5 million tariff impact, does that include the offsets from the mitigation strategies? Or is that just gross tariff impact, and then any mitigation strategy would reduce that impact?

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

Yes. So – and I apologize to Adam for missing that part of his question. Yes, so we had assumed that there might be some, call it, marginal pricing actions to offset the costs related to the tariffs.

Mike Sarcone

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thank you. That's very helpful. And then, I had one on U.S. Epilepsy. What type of visibility do you have into the channel? And I'm really trying to get at your level of confidence that the U.S. Epilepsy business won't be impacted in the near-term more severely than you're baking into guidance?

Stephanie Bolton

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Sure. Hi Mike. It's Steph. So we continue to be confident in the long-term trajectory of the business, which we believe is the mid-single-digit range. The epilepsy market is large. It's growing. And we are the market leader in neuromodulation. From a shorter-term perspective, we're pleased, as I've already alluded to, with the performance and the execution that we've seen in Europe and Rest of World, which is reflected in this guide. We remain committed to our strategy, which is to maximize VNS therapy access and to address this large unmet need in DRE. When you think about it, there are 40,000 patients in the U.S. that are diagnosed each year, and less than 25% of them are treated with a surgical intervention. So that's very much our mission to ensure that patients get access to advanced therapy.

Mike Sarcone

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Got it. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mike Matson with Needham & Co. Please go ahead.

Mike Matson

Analyst · Needham & Co. Please go ahead.

Yes, thanks for taking my questions. Just with all the moving parts on the balance sheet with the potential payment of the cash out for SNIA and then the debt repayment that you did, can you just give us an estimate of where your leverage ratio is going to be once all that's kind of done?

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

Our leverage ratio today is extremely healthy. So I'll provide the sort of the exact numbers on some of our follow-up calls, Mike. I don't have that off the top of my head, but I assure you that our leverage ratio is very healthy at this point.

Mike Matson

Analyst · Needham & Co. Please go ahead.

Yes. No, I'm not worried about it. I just was curious how much flexibility you have to do things like share repurchases or M&A now that you've kind of resolved that overhang or uncertainty around how much you would have to pay Italy for SNIA.

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

Yes. So look, we've accounted for the SNIA liability. We obviously recorded the – our best estimate of approximately $360 million in liability in the quarter. We had a very healthy and strong cash balance to deal with that. We took the opportunity to repay $200 million of the term facility. In terms of our capital allocation strategy, I'd say our priority is to continue to build on the strong foundation and continue to invest in the core to build on our market leadership there with innovation in epilepsy and CP as – and we talked about the CP manufacturing investments. Our second priority is around OSA and – because that presents a significant growth opportunity. Obviously, we've made great progress on that so far from a clinical and regulatory perspective. And then, we're open to inorganic options for growth, right, and really focused on attractive markets, high unmet needs and our right to win. And that will be done in a very disciplined approach. So overall, I'm very comfortable with our capital structure as it stands today. We do have additional borrowing capacity if necessary.

Mike Matson

Analyst · Needham & Co. Please go ahead.

Okay. Got it. And, then just one quick one on the tariffs. So you're saying that the $5 million is based on current tariffs. So I'm assuming that if the tariff rates were to increase when we hit that 90-day mark post April 2 that, that number would likely increase. I mean, obviously, who knows what's going to actually happen, but...

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

Yes. Look, we're operating in an uncertain and kind of evolving environment. When the 90-day timeframe expires, we'll reassess, right? Our teams are focused on the fundamentals and making sure that we have continuity of supply to our customers and serving our patients. So, as the 90-day clock expires, we'll take a look at our mitigation strategies, should the tariff situation change again.

Mike Matson

Analyst · Needham & Co. Please go ahead.

Okay, got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from David Rescott with Baird. Please go ahead, David.

David Rescott

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead, David.

Great. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask on this – the bridge to the updated EPS outlook that you provided in the investor deck. I think what you called out is, had the SNIA environmental liability payout and associated debt reduction not been there, you would have raised by $0.15, can see the math again in the slide. Our initial look at some of the back-of-the-envelope math was you had the $0.12 beat in the quarter, maybe $0.07 or $0.08 of a headwind from tariffs. And our math at the time was about a $0.20 FX kind of net change benefit. So it would imply that maybe the raise could have been higher than the $0.15. So just want to get an understanding what the effective kind of communication is here on the raise. And then, maybe any quantification that you have on what that tariff – or sorry, the FX change would have impacted or is baked into the guide at this point?

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

Hi, David. So look, our FX impact is largely reflected in the top line. Our – given our sort of geographic footprint and where – and our geography of our OpEx, our P&L is kind of naturally hedged, right? So when the dollar gets stronger, top line is impacted negatively, but we get the benefit of the OpEx gains there. So we don't really have a massive impact on our bottom line from an FX perspective. It's kind of naturally hedged, if you will.

David Rescott

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead, David.

Okay. Perfect. That makes sense. On the updated guide for the Cardiopulm segment this year, you talked about China, recent approvals there. Wondering if maybe you could size up the opportunity there. The 30% – I think it was 30% HLM growth in the quarter, I think, was pretty impressive relative to where you were exiting last year and even given the comps that you had last year. I don't think those comps even really get that much tougher in the second half or in Q2 or the rest of 2025. So can you help us think about how you arrived at this new Cardiopulm growth outlook, especially with, again, what seems to be pretty strong trends, not as strong kind of comps even on the HLM side next year or in the back half of this year and then China coming on as well? Thank you.

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

Yes, Alex. So, as we said in our initial guide, we expect HLM to grow at double-digit rates. We obviously assumed our regulatory approval in China came a bit earlier than we expected, but really not a major impact in terms of our guide. We still expect strong growth with HLM. Q1, I just want to remind everybody, our – the capital equipment sales are not linear, right? So Q1, we had a very strong quarter with 30% growth. We don't expect that to continue throughout the year, but we still have assumed a strong ramp in the last three quarters of the year. So that's baked into our adjusted guide for CP, which is now expected to be 9% to 10% relative to 7% to 8% that we projected at the end of Q4.

Vladimir Makatsaria

Management

And David, this is Vlad. And we're very pleased with our execution in CP, both on HLM and oxygenator front, and obviously, very pleased with our first quarter performance. It's early in the year. So we are working very hard to maintain this momentum. And when the time is right, we will keep informing you on our progress on growth.

David Rescott

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead, David.

All right, great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Michael Polark with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead, Michael.

Michael Polark

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please go ahead, Michael.

Hi, good morning. I have a question on depression. In the slide deck, I see that depression revenue in the guidance is $12 million at the midpoint. I didn't see that in the fourth quarter deck. So is all that incremental? Or was there a placeholder in before? And then, the driver, it says driven by program optimization efforts. And I'm curious what that means because $12 million is the best number I've seen out of depression. It's even better than peak RECOVER enrollment year. So I'm curious what's driving the uptick.

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

Hi, Mike. It's Alex. So yes, we upped our revenue assumption in DTD. I think you've heard us talk about this in the past. We have a small commercial infrastructure in place. The team was – during the RECOVER enrollment period, they were largely focused on driving the patient funnel for RECOVER. What we've done now is we're awaiting our reengagement with CMS. We've basically restarted our process that we've had over time to look at basically driving the new patient funnel for patients, who are interested in the device, right? And so, that goes through a very long appeals process with payers, which is not very efficient. And that is the reason we're so keen on getting reimbursement with CMS. So, that is the rationale for increasing our revenue in DTD.

Michael Polark

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please go ahead, Michael.

Was there something in the guidance before? I just – it wasn't in the old deck. So I'm curious what the old input was.

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

Yes, it was largely the same. I mean, it was a marginal increase relative to the previous guide, yes.

Michael Polark

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Please go ahead, Michael.

Okay. For my follow-up, I want to ask on sleep apnea, small two-parter. 72 minutes average case time in OSPREY. What's your perspective on what that could be in the real world as you train surgeons and get them comfortable with your device? And how do you think that compares to what the competitors delivered in their pivotal trials? And then, the second part is on pricing. Any preliminary view of how you might approach price as you develop a commercial strategy at the market level of hypoglossal nerve stim or perhaps a discount to differentiate? Thank you so much.

Ahmet Tezel

Management

Yes. I'll start with more of the clinical questions, and I'll ask Alex to comment on the pricing piece. So, one of the key points of our design is that you put the electrode cuff at the proximal end. So, that really limits or minimizes dissection in the tissue when you're placing the cuff. Therefore, you win a lot of time. That is one reason we're 72 minutes. In other trials, for example, INSPIRE, they had a longer time period. But one reason for that was that they had a secondary sensor that they had to implant. So there was three incisions instead of two. So it's a little bit of apples-to-orange comparison, but 72 minutes is low. We're very excited about it because it's an easy implant to the proximal end. And the last comment I will make is that what we hear from our surgeons is that if you have done INSPIRE, it's very easy to move and implant an OSPREY device. You do not need to learn new skills. It's actually – because of the proximal end piece, it's actually something very straightforward then to transfer into. So with that, I'll ask Alex to comment on the commercial piece.

Alex Shvartsburg

Management

Yes. And I think as part of our go-to-market commercial strategy, and we'll talk a little bit more about that later in the year during Investor Day, our team – I don't want to do a big rollout of our pricing strategy, but our team is continuing to work on an appropriate coding for this therapy.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Those are all the questions we have time for today. And so, I'll turn the call back to Vladimir Makatsaria for closing remarks.

Vladimir Makatsaria

Management

Thank you, Emily, for facilitating the call, and thank you, everyone, for joining the call today. And on behalf of our entire team, we really appreciate your support and interest in LivaNova, and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. This concludes our call, and you may now disconnect your lines.