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Lindsay Corporation (LNN)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Jun 25, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Kaila, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Lindsay Corporation Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] During this call, management may make forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties, which reflect management's current beliefs and estimates of future economic circumstances, industry conditions, company performance and financial results. Forward-looking statements include the information concerning possible or assumed future results of operations of the company and those statements preceded by, followed by or including the words, expectation, outlook, could, may, should or similar expressions. For these statements, we claim the protection of the Safe Harbor for forward-looking statements contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Rick Parod, President and Chief Executive Officer.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Good morning and thank you for joining us today. With me on today's call is Jim Raabe, Lindsay Corporation's Chief Financial Officer, and Lori Zarkowski, our Chief Accounting Officer. Total revenues for the third quarter of fiscal 2015 were $160.7 million, 5% less than the same quarter last year. U.S. and international irrigation equipment revenues decreased in the quarter and were partially offset by substantial increases in infrastructure sales. Operating margins decreased to 13.4% in the quarter compared to 14.8% in the same quarter last year. Net earnings were $12.9 million or $1.10 per diluted share, compared with $16.5 million or $1.28 per diluted share in the prior year quarter. For the first nine months of fiscal 2015, total revenues were $436.6 million, decreasing 7% from the same period last year. Net earnings were $29.5 million or $2.46 per diluted share compared to $40.2 million or $3.11 per diluted share in the prior year. Foreign currency exchange negatively affected year-to-date sales by approximately 3% and operating earnings by a little more than 2%. For the irrigation segment in total, sales were $131.3 million, 12% lower than the same quarter last year. Irrigation operating margins decreased to 15.1% of sales from 18.8% of sales due to competitive pricing pressure and deleveraging of fixed expenses on lower revenue. In the U.S. irrigation market, revenues were $86.7 million for the third quarter, decreasing 2% from the same period last year and declining 8% excluding the revenue from the newly acquired Elecsys Corporation. The lower U.S. irrigation equipment revenue is primarily resulting from approximately $4 million less of storm damage sales as compared to the same time last year. While lower commodity prices and reduced farm income have dampened farmer sentiment regarding investments, we're now at the end of the primary selling season for…

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Brian Drab from William Blair.

Brian Drab

Analyst

Good morning, Rick. Good morning, Jim.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Good morning.

Brian Drab

Analyst

First question just on the infrastructure side, the margins there 22% is really impressive and when I look back to historical results second quarter of 2011, you did 15% operating margin on about that same level of revenue and that was a period where I think you had about 50% of revenue coming from the Mexico City QMB project. So can you talk a little bit about what enabled you to get to 22% margin? What's changed since then in that business and it seems like quite a bit of a mix was just your road safety or non QMB type product. How do you explain a 22% margin or help us understand that? Thanks.

Rick Parod

Analyst

This is the time Brian we’ve had significant changes that have taken place in the infrastructure business including expense reductions, cost reductions and improvements in our manufacturing processes. And as you said there is also a mix difference from that time period through today. And to put it into a little more perspective, in the past quarter more than 50% of the revenue for the infrastructure business in the quarter was from road safety products with some good margins that are generated off of that product line. So that’s a significant change that's taken place for the mix, but at the same time, we’ve benefited from the volume plus efficiency improvements and changes that have been made in the infrastructure expense and cost structure.

Brian Drab

Analyst

Okay, thanks. I guess if you’re able to sustain that level of revenue in the infrastructure segment, but this isn’t when we shouldn’t be surprised if we can sustain operating margin of high teens or even low 20s going forward?

Rick Parod

Analyst

Well I think the way I would characterize this is we’ve made some really good progress in terms of the cost structure and expense structure, but in addition to that, in gaining market penetration and market share with our road safety products. So from that, I would expect that we would continue that initiative. At the same time, we may have a little bit of a seasonal impact where this is the season to see some of the let’s say the leases on QMB, which were not a major factor, but are still a factor, but also road safety products installed. So there is a little bit of a seasonal impact, but in addition I do believe that we’ve made some very significant progress.

Brian Drab

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, and then can you talk a little bit about the pricing environment in the Irrigation segment? It seems like pricing holding in pretty well given the margins that you’re achieving and what do you see going forward and I guess that its obviously the least interesting quarter seasonally?

Rick Parod

Analyst

Of course we have discussed in previous quarters, we definitely seen a change in the pricing from [them] [ph]. There is more competitiveness as the market contracted through this trough of the cycle and we’ve seen that continue through this past quarter. At the same time, we benefited some from lower steel cost, which did help in terms of our cost of goods sold, helped margin some. We also as mentioned had little lower cost in expenses in warranty and other items, but competitive pricing has continued and I believe we’re responding appropriately and well to those conditions.

Brian Drab

Analyst

Okay. And then just a last one for me, which regions were you seeing the most competition internationally?

Rick Parod

Analyst

I don’t know that I could really split out international market specifically in terms of increased competitiveness I would say wherever we see larger projects, which I would say we’ve seen a little bit more probably in Africa and Middle East recently. We’ve seen increased competition, which includes seeing some of our European competitors who have been a little more dormant in the past and we haven't really heard much from kind of re-emerging a bit. So we’re starting to see more competition than we have had, but overall there is not any one specific market that stands out that's increased competitiveness.

Brian Drab

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks and congrats on the good results in the quarter.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Schon Williams from BB&T Capital Markets.

Schon Williams

Analyst

Hi good morning gentlemen.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Good morning.

Jim Raabe

Analyst

Good morning.

Schon Williams

Analyst

I just wanted to, I wanted to be kind of I guess clear on the infrastructure demand, how much of this do you feel in a significant upside in revenues, how much do you feel is kind of the market actually perking up a bit and the demand environment versus kind of more the internally generated [worthy] [ph] factors, better market penetration, better share gains?

Rick Parod

Analyst

It’s difficult to split that out into specific quantity Schon. In that, I would just say that we have seen a significant improvement in our road safety product sales. Part of it is due to some things we’ve seen in the competitive environment, meaning we were selling more in terms of our end terminals than we have in the past, partially due to what I think some other competitor or competitors maybe going through. But we have picked up market share and we have increased our market penetration meaning getting approved in more markets than we’ve been in the past. So there is overall strategy to expand our road safety product sales that has been affected in doing that and with decent margins as well.

Schon Williams

Analyst

I guess would it be fair to call it demand environment, I don’t know good would you call it robust? What are your just -- your general thoughts on kind of demand separate from your specific product expansion?

Rick Parod

Analyst

Well given the lack of a long-term Highway Bill in place, I would never call it robust at this stage. I would probably say that it's definitely improved some from what we saw a couple of years ago, but I would let's not call it robust. You may categorize it as good, but I still think that more of it is emphasis that we've placed on expanding that product line that it is really the specific market itself.

Schon Williams

Analyst

Okay. And in what -- where do you hearing most recently just in terms of your contacts on the Highway Bills like there were some movements through the Senate here recently. Just any general thoughts there would be helpful?

Rick Parod

Analyst

Well we had a hard time predicting anything regarding the Highway Bill other than to say it’s a continual discussion and I’m optimistic we’ll still get one in place. I have no really estimates in terms of timing of that. I know that there is ongoing discussion of that as we speak.

Schon Williams

Analyst

Okay. And maybe one more if I could, could you just call out what was the contribution from Elecsys to your operating income and how much was kind of purchased accounting? How much was that a headwind in the quarter?

Jim Raabe

Analyst

This is Jim, I would say that basically we’re still amortizing most of the purchase accounting cost and so it was from a fully loaded standpoint. It was pretty close to breakeven. We are excluding the purchase accounting adjustments since we’ve acquired and it was still in kind of the mid-teens margins. So the margins have been good and the sales volume has been good. We did finish some of the amortization like the inventory -- step up amortizations and those types of things in the quarter. So I am not going to call out a specific number but we should start seeing more positive contributions from that going forward.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Just to be clear, mid-teens operating margin is kind of excluding some of the purchase accounting.

Schon Williams

Analyst

That’s correct. Okay, thanks guys. I’ll get back in queue.

Jim Raabe

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Nathan Jones from Stifel.

Nathan Jones

Analyst

Good morning, guys.

Jim Raabe

Analyst

Good morning.

Nathan Jones

Analyst

Rick, you alluded a little bit to increased sales of end terminals here and some issues that one of your competitors is having. I think everybody knows usually its Trinity having that. Are you able to quantify what you think the positive impact to you was from that?

Rick Parod

Analyst

Well we don’t break out the specific sales by product category in our infrastructure business. I would say that the majority of our road safety product increases are probably in end terminals, but the product category itself has been -- the road safety product has been increasing overall, but the largest percentage of increase is probably in the end terminals.

Nathan Jones

Analyst

Okay. And would you attribute the majority of that increase to the issues that Trinity are having?

Jim Raabe

Analyst

Well I wouldn’t go that far. I would say that what we’ve learned as we’ve gone along is that we had opportunities to expand our market penetration and market share through working with additional states to get our product certified and accepted and we have done that. And through that time, we’ve seen the continual expansion of our road safety sales in general and primarily in our end terminals. I won't attribute to what any specific competitors are going through, but certainly it's had some factor.

Rick Parod

Analyst

And I think what I would add Nathan I think is I think our team has done a really good job and it’s already leading up to what occurred there in expanding our distribution as well as in some of the international markets as well. So we're seeing some -- we've started to get some traction in some markets outside of the U.S. as well.

Nathan Jones

Analyst

Okay. Fair enough. Obviously their domestic irrigation segment had quite a bit improved comp this quarter. If you kind of edge out the storm revenues from last year, edge out the contribution from Elecsys, you probably were down about 5% organically there. Also several quarters of the cyclical downturn being in the 15% to 30% kind of range. Given the annual nature of the business, can you talk about what drove the improved comp there? The better sequential revenue that we haven’t seen in the third quarter for the last two or three years and just any color you can provide us on the relatively good result there?

Jim Raabe

Analyst

There is nothing really specific that comes to mind. I would say that when you look at the results you’d see that most of the markets from a domestic standpoint behaved as we would have expected where we were down were primary still corn belts from a competitor standpoint. There were a little bit of differences there and again that's also the area where we had more of the storm damage from last year as well. I would say that we’ve seen let’s say more of a stabilizing of the markets in terms of the kind of impacts that we expected that throughout and towards the end of our selling season. I think another factor to look at is in terms of the revenues through the quarters is really that's split out in our product sales on domestic machines in terms of what went into conversion, dry land and replacement. But we also saw really there more of a return to the more normalized third, a third, a third type levels. Wasn’t quite that and we saw about 29% in conversion, 33% in dry land and 38% in replacement. And year-to-date the numbers are closer to a third with 30% in conversion and 32% dry land and 38% replacement. So overall, we’re seeing what I would consider to be more normalized, stabilized conditions in the selling season that we’re just finished up.

Nathan Jones

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. Thanks very much.

Jim Raabe

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Brett Wong from Piper Jaffray.

Brett Wong

Analyst

Hey guys thanks for taking my questions. Just wanted to look into the infrastructure business a little bit more. Rick, you mentioned gaining more approvals in more markets than before as part of the benefit that you've realized here. Can you talk to the strategy to continue to penetrate new markets that are there significantly more markets you can get into and what does that timing look like and how does that impact demand?

Rick Parod

Analyst

Well, I can’t really get too specific on that Brett. I’d say that that’s an ongoing process and we have no list of the ones that we know that we have still to go in terms of getting approvals in certain product categories. And we have a group that’s aggressively working that list to work through issues and we do find at times that while we’ll go through a process, we may get a rejection in the first time. We’ll be back again to have further discussion with the State DOT to understand what the reason is and it's usually there maybe some technicalities or technical issues in terms of some paper work that maybe submitted that has to get work through. So it’s an ongoing process and I would say that there are more states. We’re certainly not complete and we have certainly a continual list of the main states of let's say the larger states that we still think are opportunities. And from that, I’d say that we still have some good sized opportunities in front of us, but we’re making really good progress.

Brett Wong

Analyst

Okay. And just in terms of a visibility into the infrastructure segment, when you do get approval in a State, when you start to see demand in sales really ramp there?

Rick Parod

Analyst

Well, sometimes it will be immediate because they may have a need that may trigger the discussion for approval. And sometimes it maybe never in terms of we could see that we get on to the list that not really seen or at least we haven’t seen that happen yet in a state. But I would say more often than not, it would be fairly short-term that we will begin to see the benefits of that. We have had some where that need has specifically driven the discussion. So therefore it was a fairly quick process.

Brett Wong

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thanks. And then just looking at your additional international side, can you just talk to how the start-up of the Turkey facility is down when you mentioned last time that you’re trying to ship in April and then on top of how that’s moving. When can we expect to see an improvement in the international irrigation margins coming from the Turkey operations?

Rick Parod

Analyst

Well the Turkey facility is going very well in terms of it is up and running as we talked about last time and we have shipped units from that facility. There is a portion of it that is not complete yet and we saw one building that is being constructed and the galvanizing operations is going to be opened up and that isn’t ready yet and there are little ways to go they've just really started construction recently. Once we get to full production levels, meaning the galvanizing facility up and demand that will drive more production through that facility, we’ll really see the benefits of that. So it's going to take a little while before we see that. It could happen fairly quickly depending on what happens with maybe some specific projects that we’re working or it could take a little bit longer, but it’s difficult to predict the timing, but I will say that we won’t get the full benefit that we would expect until we have the into our galvanizing operation up and that's still probably I think maybe six months away before we’re at that point.

Brett Wong

Analyst

Excellent, that’s perfect. Thanks a lot for the color.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kevin Bennett from Sterne Agee.

Kevin Bennett

Analyst

Hey good morning, guys.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Good morning.

Kevin Bennett

Analyst

Rick, first question on the international front, can you talk about what you’re seeing in Brazil right now?

Rick Parod

Analyst

Brazil is holding up pretty well. We haven’t really seen a significant change. We did see a little delay in some orders as they were going through discussions on Tsunami and modern infra in terms of the funding and projects. Overall, we’re still pretty positive about the situation in Brazil and orders that have held up pretty good like I said it was little bit of delay. We do know that many of the funding projects are now being put into place that’s being the funding I believe it is under the modern infra program or the subsidy on the interest rate that is now changing the rates from a subsidized I think 4% interest rate to I think 7.5% now with the new program. So that may have some impact in terms of demand for this next year with equipment buyers, but it’s really too early to tell. But in general, I think Brazil is still good by the way that interest rate is lower for irrigation equipment than it is for other Ag equipment. So it’s a bit of a very good rate. It continues to be a very good rate for the growers. But in addition, I would say that the markets we still are very positive about, we see a lot of growth opportunities in Brazil in general, but it remains to be seen how they react to the new rates.

Kevin Bennett

Analyst

That’s helpful. And then on the cost front in irrigation, can you help quantify the impact of lower material cost and then the lower warranty expense and then secondly on that front, I see headcount at Lindsay is down 25%. Is that at a place you want it or is there more room to go there?

Jim Raabe

Analyst

Well this is Jim and relative to the margins overall, as Rick said earlier, I think the pricing has held up pretty well through the quarter and then the cost benefits that we had from this year still offset most of that. If you remember last quarter, we had about 3% total and we didn’t get much benefit from the steel cost, but we are starting to get it now and that offset most of the pricing. We did have some deleverage and we had a little bit of warranty adjustments on some of our warranty items that were out there, which pretty much offset and those were relatively minor. So it’s mainly the pricing and the steel cost that make up the netting of the kind of 1% down.

Kevin Bennett

Analyst

Okay. And then two more quick ones, first in the infrastructure business if we think about just the QMB sales, can you help us if we look at the third quarter of '15 versus the third quarter of '14, were they up, down, the same?

Jim Raabe

Analyst

QMB revenues would have been up in the third quarter of '15 versus '14. We’re not talking about very big numbers in total. So I would hesitate to draw much conclusion from that other than to say it’s a little bit bigger and I think the difference in '15 would probably be more lease revenue and there wasn’t really a large QMB project in '15 or '14.

Kevin Bennett

Analyst

Okay. Perfect and then lastly on the buyback, you guys are getting towards the end of the $150 million. Rick, what are your thoughts of kind of re-upping that going forward given that your cash balance is still, almost double kind of your targeted balance. How should we think about that going forward?

Rick Parod

Analyst

I think we as you mentioned, we’re getting close to that authorization level and as we get to the end of that, we will certainly revaluate and decide what we’ll do next, but I’m not really going to speculate or comment on that now other than to say that’s definitely up for reassessment soon.

Kevin Bennett

Analyst

Okay. Fair enough. Thank you, guys.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Rose from Wedbush Securities.

James

Analyst

Good morning. This is actually James, calling in for David.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Okay. Yeah.

James

Analyst

Can you hear me?

Rick Parod

Analyst

Yes, yes good morning.

James

Analyst

Yeah, so my question on Irrigation margins, I know you guys gave pretty good overview of different factors impacting margins, but I wanted to see if you get actually that and may be talk about kind of the progress of your consolidation of your electronics manufacturing and any improvement in utilization and perhaps talk about kind of sustaining sort of those margins going forward.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Well I think in terms of the consolidation fees, I would say that that consolidation is basically complete in terms of consolidating into the Elecsys operation now. I am not really able to give you any specific number in terms of what that estimated savings is at this stage, but I think we’ve commented in the past on what our estimate was on an annualized basis like $1.5 million from that consolidation, which is still very much our expectations on target. In the second part of the question I think it was more in terms of the margin sustainability, question is that correct?

James

Analyst

Yes. And may be if you could talk about project mix, was there any shift there, may be year-over-year or sequentially then have benefited or impacted your lines as well.

Rick Parod

Analyst

In terms of product mix within irrigation there was really not any significant mix shift that we saw. I would say that in terms of sustainability on margins will depend on a couple of different things. One is the competitive environment and we do know that competitive intensity is a little greater in these times as I said we're in the trough of a cycle. So it will depend a little bit on what happens with our competition and we will do what we can and all aspects to maintain or gain share and that doesn’t mean our gaining share through pricing, but we definitely will defend our position. So from that standpoint, it depends a little bit on the competitive environment and I’m optimistic that we’re in a very good sustainable position in the sense of our manufacturing efficiencies are lean implementation in our factories and other factors including we're fortunate that we’re seeing a low steel price environment today versus what we’ve seen in some other time period.

James

Analyst

Okay and quickly on Elecsys' performance it seem like sales have grown organically although backlog seems to have improved. Can you talk about for your expectations for growth opportunities and any cross selling opportunities in the near term and long term?

Rick Parod

Analyst

Well we do see substantial growth opportunities for Elecsys longer term. Short term our focus and emphasis has really been on the integration of our electronics into Elecsys and that’s been a primary focus. We also know that there will be some challenges as say move forward in terms of some sales mix changes with Elecsys, but we see additional growth opportunities in the current market they serve, which include both oil and gas and irrigation and also in new markets with the utilization of their existing technology. So we see opportunities to expand their core business in addition to the cost savings and what I consider to be some strategic advantages that we get through their capabilities added to our product lines.

James

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Chris Shaw from Monness Crespi and Hardt.

Chris Shaw

Analyst

How are you doing?

Jim Raabe

Analyst

Good morning.

Chris Shaw

Analyst

Would you cite the breakout and you talked about replacement. I know replacement includes both parts and placement from the subsidy. Can you breakout and notably how much is parts actually for system?

Jim Raabe

Analyst

Well the replacement numbers that I referred to is open. We don’t really breakout out our parts revenue in total as part of our revenue, but this is a replacement in terms of whole good number. So as we’re looking at the whole goods going out the door, we split that out to best that we can based on the dealer's representation as far as what percentage went through conversion, dry land or replacement.

Chris Shaw

Analyst

All right. Just an idea and how much -- there has been a lot of rain obviously throughout the corn belt and particularly some of the difficult high irrigation areas and perhaps for instance, would that impact at all their usage of their I would think, but also sort of their need for replacement parts throughout the season and investment revenue you should worry about or giving thoughts on that?

Jim Raabe

Analyst

Well the wet weather definitely impacts how much they will run the machine and also in some cases had an impact in terms of their starting up of machines, which could delay some of that startup. For example meaning that some of the parts replacements could come a little bit later in the cycle especially we'll see some parts going in after the spring startup, but definitely there is a little bit of a delay. It could impact parts requirements maybe at the end of the season or potentially into next season depending on how much they run, but I wouldn’t say that I’m really concerned about that yet. I would say that what we often see if there is a really wet spring as we've seen and sometimes there is a delay in terms of machines being installed. And we really didn’t see that as having an impact in the quarter although I think there is probably still some machines that maybe sitting out there to get installed yet, but overall I don’t really see that as a significant impact on parts business for the future.

Chris Shaw

Analyst

You generally and you guys are obviously invested that you might know but have there been instances that summers were -- they got enough moisture out there, that there wasn’t a need for a lot of farmers to even run their difficult summer or that's very, very rare.

Jim Raabe

Analyst

Well, I can I haven’t seen that, not in this region where they won’t run them. I would see that still be a later startup because of the spring range or every some earlier summer rains, but as summer progresses, I haven’t seen a time where they haven’t needed them.

Chris Shaw

Analyst

Great, thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Peter van Roden from Spitfire Capital.

Peter van Roden

Analyst

Hey guys.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Hello. Good morning.

Peter van Roden

Analyst

First question on North American business, so excluding all the pros around Elecsys and the storm orders only being down 1% seems like a great result considering everything else in that Ad market. Do you guys see domestic business dropping or is it too early to call that?

Rick Parod

Analyst

Well, I certainly wouldn’t call it at this point one way or the other. I would say that if you follow some of the agricultural commodity analysts, I think they would say that it’s very difficult to call at this point what is going to happen with corn prices. I think there is some optimism in terms of corn prices being near a bottom or at a bottom, but it’s certainly too soon to call and I don’t think there is anyone is position that could call that at this time.

Peter van Roden

Analyst

Got it. And then just on the detrimental margins in your business I guess there is a little bit of course than I would have thought and I think a lot of that has to do with the Elecsys position. Do you know what margins or excluding Elecsys and I couldn’t figure I out on my own but if you could just provide the number now it would be easier.

Jim Raabe

Analyst

Yes, well I think this is Jim and I would just say to you, if essentially the margin flow through kind of on a year-over-year basis in the quarter excluding Elecsys is about where we would think it would be, as you said it’s a little bit higher on the decreasing volume, but that is not almost entirely attributable to the Elecsys coming through on a kind of purchase accounting adjusted number, it's pretty close to breakeven.

Peter van Roden

Analyst

Okay. Got it. That’s all I have. Thanks guys.

Rick Parod

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And there are no more questions at this time. I hand the call back over to you sir.

Rick Parod

Analyst

The global long-term drivers of water conservation, population growth, importance of biofuels and the need for safer, more efficient transportation solutions remain positive. We're uniquely positioned for developing and delivering turnkey irrigation solutions for agriculture, providing the best irrigation management and control technology, offering a broad line of market-leading irrigation solution, engineering integrated pumping and filtration solutions for landscape and industrial applications as well as providing energy absorbing safety solutions and quick change movable barrier that expands the capacity of existing road and bridge infrastructure. We're committed to creating shareholder value through investments in organic growth, dividend increases, strategic water related acquisitions and share repurchases congruent with our capital allocation plan. We thank you for your questions and participation in this call.

Operator

Operator

This is the end of today's call. You may now disconnect.