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Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Jan 28, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the Comstock Mining’s 2015 Year-End Results and Business Update Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Corrado De Gasperis. Please go ahead.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thank you, Valerie, and good morning, everyone. It’s Corrado De Gasperis on the line, with Judd Merrill, our CFO, joining me live today. We have a number of positive updates for you. First of all, let me remind you that we may make some forward-looking statements on this call. Any statement relating to matters that are not historical facts may constitute forward-looking statements. The statements are based on current expectations and are subject to the same risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the reports filed by our company and the SEC and in this morning’s release, and all forward-looking statements made during this call are subject to those same and other risks that we cannot identify. We were successful last quarter in keeping the call to an hour including questions. I’m going to really try to do that again today. We did it by limiting callers to two questions. If you could please comply with that, we’d appreciate it. And if we don’t get to all the questions, we will mostly certainly follow-up after towards with anyone that gets caught up in the queue. If your questions don’t be in the queue, again, we will be available post call to do that. Also if you didn’t have a copy of today’s releases, there were two, one on the annual report and one on updates from intercepts in our underground drilling program. You’ll find them on our website at www.comstockmining.com under news/press-releases. In effort to be more concise, I’ve organized my comments into six areas that I think are most critical to assessing our value and our future value. So I’ll stick with that kind of an agenda. Number one is our operations and the tremendous progress on cost,…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We’ll pause for just a moment to allow everyone an opportunity to signal for a question. Please stand by. Thank you. And we’ll move to our first question. And our first question will come from Heiko Ihle. Please go ahead.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

Hey, can you hear me all right?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, Heiko, I can hear you clearly. How are you?

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

Excellent. How are you so [ph], Corrado? Good to hear from you.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Doing good.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

So you are currently limiting production at the site to the existing leach pad as per your release and with the little bit stacking and all that. Just can you walk me through the cash flow and expenditure estimates through that, through the next couple of months, just given the little bit of ops at those sites? And can you quantify the impact around the payroll. I know you mentioned there was only 25 people. Do guys simply just do other jobs or what exactly happens? Are there severance expenses, that kind of stuff? Thank you.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, so, we - yes, absolutely. That’s fine. It’s really all been methodical and phased in, not dramatic at all. In terms of - we had very specific intermediate objectives and we were communicative if possible around all that internally. But just as an example, completing the first phase of the road resulted in a significant reduction of surface mining personnel. Completing the second phase of the road reduced the mining staff to literally six heavy equipment operators. And then, they transitioned to supporting American Mining & Tunneling for the underground drift development and related activities associated with that. Most of the material that we were taking in the last six months was loose material. It needed to be crushed and agglomerated, but it did not need to be blasted. So we had reductions in staff associated with that. Then, once we process it all, we had reductions in our depression level. But at the same time, we were also assessing our people and identifying people, not only who have the most flexible skills, but also to be cross-trained. So we literally have employees now that are driving trucks, could operate agglomeration and working in the Merrill-Crowe processing facility depending on what the need is. So in terms of the severances, it’s very modest and it’s over - it’s all been over a longer period of time. Today, there probably sitting at about 33 people with a shift down to ultimately about 17 or 18 happening, most of those people already communicated to. So to answer your question, right, the revenue from the processing well covers any of the activity, because most of the cost for mining are heavily front-end loaded with mine crushing, extracting, blasting, hauling, right? Most of those activities are very light for us, right now. We…

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

Right, right.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

So we probably would have to talk offline a little bit to highlight some of those specifics within the context of what we disclose, but we can do that.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

Sure, give me any time. I’m around the rest of the day. Just one more question. You had a sentence in the release regarding land values. And I assume always been a long bull on the evaluations that you guys have had with the land. You state that the, and it is your call, non-mining land values for some comparable transaction suggest, high and increasing values, even rivaling the equity of our mining claims. To the best of my knowledge, you were under the - under some options to purchase additional land.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

Is it fair to say that these options will therefore be exercised? And can you walk me just through the balance sheet impact to that? Thank you.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes. Excellent question, Heiko. Heavy one, but excellent. Okay. So let me explain very preciously, because…

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

Not supposed to be easy, Corrado.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

No, no, no, it’s good. Our chairman has always had - our chairman - our largest investors, John Winfield, not our Chairman anymore. But he always had a strong view that the fundamental land value in this particular part of Northern Nevada could be very valuable. I never rejected the notion, but quite frankly, I never focused on it too much either, because it was very - I would call it, speculative, right, ten years ago, eight years ago, five years ago. But I am witnessing full frontal in my face, the inflow of business, the inflow of people. The boom that’s happening in Reno especially and how it’s starting to migrate out to the quadrant. And we’re starting to see comps. So it’s very important for me to say that when you look at our 2,300 acres of private land. And to your point, potentially 1,500 to 2,000 acres of land under option, I can’t say that every parcel would be valued at $20,000 or $30,000 an acre. There is clearly parcels that would be valued $50,000, $60,000, $70,000 plus an acre. There is some that maybe you get $8,000 to $10,000 depending on where they are, water rights, et cetera. But when you put it all together, I mean the numbers could add up very quickly to $40 million, $50 million even $60 million. And I am not sitting here suggesting, we’re going to have a land sales of those kind of values, and I don’t either want to be maverick in exaggerating it, but it’s all contiguous. Most of the land that’s on the periphery is in developable above major spaces, like 400 acres in American Labs, 230 acre ranch right on Highway 50. I mean, these are not five acre mine claims jammed in the mile,…

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

Very fair, very fair. Excellent. Well, thank you so much. I’ll stop hogging the queue here. Thank you, guys, and congratulations.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thank you, Heiko. We look forward to talking tomorrow. Thanks. Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We move to our next question from [Barry Kasakov of Havis Hilton Capital] [ph]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hey, Corrado.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Hey, Barry. How are you?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I’m doing well. Listen, thank you for the color around land valuation. I think it’s very helpful to get sort of an idea of what’s going on in that area. So the question I have is, I know that you probably has been really hard to reduce your cost, your mining, your production, your administrative. Where are your cost, your all-in cost, right now? Is it around $22 million? And by the end of 2016, can you give us an idea where you think those costs will be?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes. So $22 million was the reflection of sort of the full production mode of the Lucerne surface mine, if you will, right?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

So let me transition that, right, we went from - I’m thinking now - yes, we went from 2013 or 2014 down to that $22 million number. From 2014 to 2015 we were running closer to, I would say, $14 million to $15 million number, right? And I think that’s sort of the - that’s sort of would be reflective of what we were able to achieve. We actually did lower than that, but some of that lower than was the resulting of improving yields, which is sustainable. And maybe some lower volumes, which is not a sustainable number. So if you put it in context, I certainly believe $12.5 million to $13.5 million sort of number for that kind of activity is sustainable for us. That’s most relevant, right. As we think about transitioning to the Dayton mine, right, because the activities around the Dayton mine will absolutely replicate what we just said with two exceptions - well, I’m sorry, three exceptions. Much higher grade, expected better metallurgical yield from all the column testing we did between the two areas, Lucerne and Dayton. And a little bit longer of a haulage rate, right. So I believe that the Dayton will ultimately perform at or better than what we were able to deliver. If you are thinking in terms of per ounce, we were able to get down to below $650 an ounce and below $1,000 all-in, the Dayton numbers would be better than that, okay. The underground, you’re in a transition, right, we are - there is a meaningful variation in mining methods. So, when we are looking at the Succor, for example, which has a very, very long strike, thinner width and a dip angle that really could allow for long haul stoping. And I’m not going to…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right. Now, I - I get that. I guess, let me just focus on one part. You mentioned just few minutes ago about your corporate costs, following from - to above $5 million to $6 million and you feel that that has a chance to continue to go lower. So in your - if you were to break out your all-in cost and just look at your operational costs, exiting 2016, where do you see your operational cost segment?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

You mean in terms of the run rate of cost?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes. So it’s extremely low, Barry, because essentially three quarters of the operation is not operating, right. So we are not extracting, we are not hauling, we are not crushing. But we are fully leaching and processing and pouring, right, which is the smallest component of the part. So if you were looking at the 15 - I’m sorry, the $13 million to $14 million that we were just talking about. I mean, you’re only going to be spending like 20% of that number. It’s very small. So the revenue will flow positive off of sort of a tail, if you want to think of it that way. The corporate cost, and I want to be specific with this too, what we built took land acquisition, land negotiation more importantly community development, political development. We had to deal with environmental studies. I mean, we had to deal with title claims and discrepancies like Lot 51. We really have to build a corporate organization frankly that could handle all of that complexity. And I don’t want to say a hostile, but certainly a controversial environment. Most of that is stabilized now, right. And so, we don’t really - we’ve been peeling back those activities just as well. So for us it gets down to the core of financial organization, the administrative organization and just maintaining the capital structure with the public company, right. And we’re looking at ways to do that as thinly as possible. I think even if we weren’t transitioning out of production and into a new phase, junior miners can’tsurvive with $5 million to $6 million of overhead and be public. I’ve concluded that about a year and a half ago, it’s ridiculous.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got it. Okay. Well, thanks a lot.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thanks, Barry.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now move to our next question from Marco Rodriguez of Stonegate Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

Good morning, Corrado. Thanks for taking my questions.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Anytime, Marco. How are you?

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

Doing well. Thanks. And yourself?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Fine. Thank you.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

I was wondering if we could spend a little bit more time just trying to clarify production for fiscal 2016. Obviously, in Q4 you mined a total of let’s just call it 18,000 tons of material. I’m just trying to understand with what your plans are and where you are expecting things to move into fiscal 2016, and then, obviously, transitioning. What should we be expecting as far as a run rate on a quarterly basis?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Okay. So thank you for that question. I will be more specific, then I should have probably given a little bit of that more earlier. So we - the last half of 2015 was sort of a combination of trying to finish all of the ventures that we identified and the mine plan for Lucerne, that weren’t otherwise blocked by the road and/or the underground development activity. And so, in essence, a big part of the eastern mine plan really was re-categorized for the underground. So we did that. I think we really did substantially all of that bulk by the end of the second quarter where we were hastily moving into the alignment of the road, the realignment of the road did open up and give us access back to some of that material plus tonnages associated with old mine dumps that were trapped under and alongside the road. We were able to access all that material, which really not only added to the leach pad production, but it really killed an infrastructural and environmental obligations all in one shot. So that’s why the second-half of the year looked odder. We were fully working, but on a number of various things that we are all trying to converge on to ultimately a safe underground development. I think we synchronized the activities very well, but it clearly was different, okay, in a number of ways. The grades in that dumpster [ph] were a little lower, but there was no blasting and - drilling and blasting needed for it, but there was construction associated with moving the road blah, blah, blah. So we were able to quantify most of the dedicated road activities to about something just under $3 million. We put that separately on the P&L because those dollars are…

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And a last quick question, Corrado, if I might. I was wondering If you could kind of help me understand your cash flow expectations and cash expectations into fiscal 2016. What are you expecting from a cash flow from operations perspective? What sort of CapEx are you looking to spend? And if you can quantify the equipment sales, what would you expect to obtain from them?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

So let me start at the end and move upwards. From the equipment sales we have about $5.5 million to $6 million of equipment that will be sold. I believe that it will certainly cover the obligations on that and it will be above their book values. Proceeds from that, I’m not necessarily counting on too much. Although, it’s interesting all the equipments that we sold so far is into the construction industry and not the mining industry, which sort of reinforces of what was happening up here in Northern Nevada a little bit. In terms of - let’s talk sources and uses, just for a second. In our current reality, we’re managing cash flow very predictably, cash flows in, cash flows out every week. And most of the heaviest drilling is completed, right. So most of our efforts over the next two to three months is internal geological development, get the assay back, getting cross-sections, build the grades shelves, build the block model, right. So we are doing that substantially all with internal resources, which is excellent. And the scope drilling that I mentioned for Succor and the Woodville is in the hundreds of thousands, a couple of hundred thousand will scope out Succor, couple of hundred thousand will scope out Woodville. And then, if you even include the development drilling, assume all things are go, right, our view of uses of capital is somewhere between $6 million, which is all normal routine and the internal and light developments I just mentioned. And upwards to $10 million, if were in heavy with the Dayton and the Succor, in terms of infield drilling and finalization. So within our existing capital resources and our facilities, we can manage that effectively. And right now the constraint is our internal ability to assess all the data. So we are not in - in the moment, we are not in a heavy spending mode. We are in an internal assessment and analysis mode, and I just keep - just keep tweaking the organization to be right size and competency for doing that work. So I’m giving it you, big picture, now little picture, I think similar to Heiko, if you want to break it down a little bit, we can do it offline within the context of what we disclosed. I’m happy to do that.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

Got it. I appreciate it, Corrado. Thanks a lot.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

All right. Thanks, Marco.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We’ll move to our next question from Ken Fine, [ph] private investor. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello. Hi.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Hi, Ken. How are you?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I’m okay. I tried to right down some of the numbers you were mentioning before, I hope I got at least some of them right. My first question, roughly, how many of the total acres that Comstock owns are currently used for mining operations?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

About 300, and it’s actually split about to 150 for mining and 150 for processing.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

That’s all I needed to know. That sounds to me that you have over 8,000 acres that are not in any way used for mining.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

So that’s currently, that’s correct.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. At the valuation you through around before, the unused land is worth more than the company as a whole.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes. The only…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Stock was trading a few minutes ago at $0.43.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

That’s the market cap is about $65.5 million. This is total non-sense. I mean, it says that the mining operations are valued at nothing.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Right. So can I make two points to that. One…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Well, please do.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

One, it’s a very valid thesis. And the only distinction I would make is that of the 8,500 acres, about 2,250, even with options and related let say it’s rounded up to 2,500 is private land. And so I was comping the 20,000 or 30,000 acre number to the private land only. It still meets your point. It still meets your point. The public land have value that people would buy, but it’s different and less - it’s a less liquid, less saleable notion, right? I’m almost certain if we were selling our public lands that we fully control and have mineral rights over, it would not certainly, but most likely be the miner, right. But that’s still the value, right? So when we think about it, at least focusing on the private land, I think it is a missed value. I think it’s an under - what I - personally I haven’t marketed at all very well either, because I always believed in it, but felt it was a little speculative. I just can’t ignore the comps and the economic activity that’s happening here today. It’s real. And couple it with the fact that gold equities are at, I want to say like 30 years or 40 years lows, but I can’t go far back and often find comps that where we were valued this low relative to our resources. It’s not a favorite sector right now. I feel like and I hope like it’s starting to turn. But we’ve searched forward. Our attitude is low cost is our best hedge against the gold price. But one last point, we also just inventoried all of our non-mining real estate, and we’ve created a different segment in our reporting for that, so that people can see it better and understand it better. And it’s important to say, since the beginning of 2015, when we leased out a - we also own a hotel with a number of positives - when we leased the hotel out to a proprietor, all of our real estate assets in total, separately and standalone are cash positive. The rental incomes from the property, even though a lot of it is just free land, the rental income from the properties cover the expenses. So we’re step up I think safely, but there is an intrinsic value there that’s not recognized in my opinion for sure.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes. I couldn’t agree more with you. I mean, you’re first and foremost a mining company and it just absolutely shocked me that the value of your non-mining-operations are worth more than the entire company. I hope you can do something to get back to a more realistic valuation.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

I do believe that the establishment of reserves and the establishment of valid production plans will unlock that. I also believe, we’re getting request to purchase some of our land. So we can do more than just get comps here, proving out some of the values. So I think it will develop, but I’ll be more focused on it, I definitely will.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thank you, sir.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will move to our next question from James Dell [ph], private investor. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hey, Corrado. How are you doing?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Hey, I’m fine. How are you?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good. Hey, most of my questions have already been asked. One question I do have that’s still remaining, and maybe one time into this, as to the comment is basically, as the land value increases around you, you may get different source of real estate pressures than you had with the Comstock Residents Association. So developers and so forth wanting to give up your mineral - I mean, your water and sewer rights and what. But - and please don’t sell for $0.43 here, because most of your investors have got a lot more per share into this company. So next, do you perceive or when do you could see transitioning into - away from the subcontracted drilling and the underground mining to in-house?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Well, okay, so let me - two good points. First, well, on your first point, all of our property, except for some of the recent options is contiguous. And generally, we bought it with the purpose of either thinking it was a good buffer to our properties or could add some potential expanded mineral possibilities or it traded more support for what we are trying to accomplish over all. I don’t - we would not sell a property to regress that, right. So I think our whole reception in the community and the both social and political arena, is so much more positive now. There’s less of a risk of that. So I think that’s okay. And we’d be thoughtful about it. Thank you for the comment. In terms of the transition, we’ve built all of our models as if we were going to do it ourselves. Frankly, I don’t know how you can manage a contract or if you didn’t have intimate knowledge of how you would do it yourself. So we have internal engineers and we are building up our models. We use our contractors certainly to bounce thoughts off of and try to improve it. But we do it that, so - well, having said that, I don’t think - I can’t imagine that we wouldn’t be using a third party for a while. And, I mean, that could be multi-year. And I really don’t have an answer to the question. It really depends on how effective, how efficient. In one regard, it sometimes will cost you a little. It will cost you a little bit more to use the contractor. But the amount of capital that you avoid upfront, it’s just tremendous and I can’t make the return models work as good, in most any scenario, if you’re using a good contractor. If you are using a bad contractor, it’s a whole different discussion. So I think we’ll be biased to using them longer, if that a good answer for now, and then we’ll see how it goes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Well, it’s a good answer. Okay, just keep up the good work. Thank you very much for taking the call.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thanks, James.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And we’ll move to our next question from Arnold Van Den Berg from Century Management. Please go ahead.

Arnold Van Den Berg

Analyst

Hello, Corrado.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Hello, Arnold. How are you?

Arnold Van Den Berg

Analyst

I want to follow-up on, but I don’t want to belabor this land thing, but I’d like to get a clearer picture. This [indiscernible] ask some good questions about the land. So basically you’ve got down to where you only need 300 for the mining operation, which means you got about 8,000 plus acres, and you define them as public and private. And there were numbers of 20,000 to 30,000 an acre, but can you breakdown how much is public and private and what the going rate for both of those, so we can get kind of a rough ballpark as quite fast - but the land really is worth?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes. So let’s start with private - I’m going to just here use round numbers because it’s easier. Let’s say 2,300 acres of private land and subtract 300 acres that we’re currently using, right, and that’s the key distinction that we’re currently using always 2,000 acres of private land. It’s very well situated in three pockets of areas that ultimately could all be developable. And so I feel good about those and when I look at the comps, I think we’re picking the lower end. So if we say 20,000 or 30,000 so in and itself 2,000 acres times $30,000 could be $60 million, right. So I feel most comfortable about that conversation, when you go to the other 6,000 or 6,500 acres of unpatented land, its technically public land that we have 100% of the mining claims, meaning we control all of the mineral rights. We see in the state various I mean, it’s not incumbent at all that unpatented mining claims change hand, meaning one party sell them to the other party, but the range varies significantly and it generally have something to do with their intend of mining. So we could say 1,000, 5,000, 10,000 and more, but I don’t - it’s a very wide range I personally believe that’s a high number for us, because we control such a large continuous block within a known mineralized district. I’ve done less work on that I feel comfortable in the making of statement that the value of our private land could equal our market gap. I certainly feel comfortable to say that the non-private land add to that, I just don’t yet know the right number to pin on it, but it would be higher than most, because of where we are.

Arnold Van Den Berg

Analyst

But can you just give me kind of a ballpark like you’re saying 20,000 to 30,000 per acre for the private. So what was the public, what are the ranges of the public land that you know of without making a commitment to just give us a range?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Okay. So, I think - well, I think the range would be higher and I think that - like saying like - but that would be higher, but I’m sure there is example like prices like 2 to 10, right. But I’m sure there is example above that, I’m sure there is example below because there is so much of variation. But again, you see these unpatented mining claims change hands like real small pockets of them; 6,000 continue, it’s consolidated, it’s going to push you up higher on the range. So it really puts the - it’s such a big number of acres that really adds a lot of value. So I didn’t say two, I didn’t say 10, I’m sort of giving you a range, but I think that whatever that range is, we’re higher. We’re at the higher…

Arnold Van Den Berg

Analyst

Higher than what, the 10 or the 2?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

No, I’m saying we would be at the higher end of what the range is. So I guess something closer to 10, but I’ll tell you right now if somebody offers me 10 per acre for all of that, I wouldn’t sell it. So that’s the market comp for you right there.

Arnold Van Den Berg

Analyst

Okay. So, let’s just say 5,000 an acre that would be another $30 million right?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Okay.

Arnold Van Den Berg

Analyst

So if you take the 2,000 for 30,000 an acre that’s $60 million and if you do conservatively 5,000 for the 6,000 you get a total of $60 million - I’m sorry, a total of $90 million.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Right.

Arnold Van Den Berg

Analyst

So that’s the point that we can’t figure out. I mean, you’ve got the mining operation that’s worth X and you’ve got the stock selling at $0.42 and here you have potentially $90 million which is more than 50% higher than the price of the stock, so basically the gold operation that has no value according to the market?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Right. And that to me - I understand that right now in our sector in the resource sector, if you will, the sentiment is so negative, it’s like a show me attitude, right. And so I think you’re right, I think people aren’t valuing it at all until you prove and show it, right. And I think we’re different than most other mining property positions, because often, more often or not, most often they’re only valued with the minerals, right. They have a sole purpose if you want that mining you would want it anyway, right. And that’s where I have to make it, I have to do a better job to explain the people those estimation that we reside in and its proximity to all of this activity and what it’s meaning in real terms today for property value and I’m going to - it’s nothing else these conversation make it certainly clear to me that our investors want to know and that there is a dislocation and we need to fix it.

Arnold Van Den Berg

Analyst

One more question. Would you consider selling since the value of the land is so high, would you consider selling that to fund the operation?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

There is land value that are moving up, that are I would say sail above that would not negatively impact the operation and if those opportunities were in front of us we would absolutely consider, yes.

Arnold Van Den Berg

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thanks, Arnold.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We’ll move to our next question from Barry Kitt of Pinnacle Fund. Please go ahead.

Barry Kitt

Analyst

Hello, Corrado. How are you doing?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Barry, I’m fine. How are you?

Barry Kitt

Analyst

Okay. So you come to common stock in July 2010, join the global market, I think this is going to be easy, and that certainly has everything been easy. But you do tremendous job that I think very few people could have accomplished pointing all those things together that you have to make it, to get us where we are right now. So congratulations on that and thank you for that.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thank you.

Barry Kitt

Analyst

As well pretty much almost every question I have is been asked and answered already. One quick question on the - and I have to talk about land again, and but I have one question. But what is the timing of the options explorations that you have on the land that you have options on?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

But we have three or four and none of them are very long, but most of them will go out to the end of 2017.

Barry Kitt

Analyst

So how many of them are 2016 and roughly what’s the value that you have to pay or the price you have to pay to exercise that option that expires in 2016 roughly?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

We have two in 2016, one is $1.1 million of value, one is about $800,000 of value. There are two further on the periphery of 2017 that are actually further up the corridor that and those were purposely quick to 2017 to closer align them to the USA Parkway. The USA Parkway is scheduled to be finished in August of 2017, and we believe all of these lands will accrue value from that. Those are larger, because the land themselves is about $3.5 million, but there is water rights that are almost the same value right. So…

Barry Kitt

Analyst

And is that a scripted [ph] purchase or is that included with the land?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

It would be included within and we wouldn’t want it any other way, right.

Barry Kitt

Analyst

Okay. So sufficed to say, you’re going to exercise those options?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, because the land values are much higher.

Barry Kitt

Analyst

All right. And so, between operations and selling, chemical-attractors [ph] and whatnot, will you have enough money to run the company and to fund the purchase of the land.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

We believe, so, yes.

Barry Kitt

Analyst

Okay. All right. Well, that’s really all I have. I guess, the land you have options on, at this point, probably it’s not strategic relative to your mining operation. It’s just valuable relative to the value of the land. Would that be right?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes. I would say so.

Barry Kitt

Analyst

Okay, perfect. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate it, Corrado, great job.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thanks, Barry. Bye-bye.

Barry Kitt

Analyst

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And we’ll move to our next from Harvey Marker [ph], Private Investor. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, Corrado.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Hi, Harvey. How are you?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good. Back on the topic of the private land.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Is it owned free and clear?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

So the private lands that we have, there is about $2.02 million or $2.03 million of notes. They’re all like owner-financed, low gold, like 87 acres in the day and we owe about 500,000 as an example. There is a footnote that actually lists them out in our financials I don’t have now at my fingertips. But even though there is a couple of millions of obligations, they’re sort of scheduled out. And they’re with individual owners and their folks that have really granted us a lot of flexibility, as we’ve been trying to meet our other business objectives. So we have very close relationships with them. So…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So it’s in fact the land that’s privately owned.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

And had it appraised professionally, and took the 50% loan to value on that within the 5% to 6% interest rates, could you not go and start buying back shares at these low valuations?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

I believe the way that you just articulated the concept, we could get financing on the land, right. And then I haven’t pursued or about that as much to date. And then, the use of those proceeds, I guess, is a second question. But we certainly feel the shares are undervalued. I believe that one of the ways of unlocking that value, and then I believe that we have a clear path, is just proving out some of these very specific mineral reserves, and then, proving out some much more specific mine lives. Even though, we’ve been producing for three years, and I do feel good about the cost and performance that we’re ultimately able to establish. We really never had mine life in front of us. Right, and that’s important to the future of the company. It’s important to the stability of the operation. But ultimately it’s what I think a lot of our investors and new investors want to see in terms of giving value to those mineral claims. So anyway we’ll take that input very well. And we’re being very diligent at the board level to ensure that we’re deploying the capital at the right pace. We are doing it safely and we are not putting the broader asset at risk. So…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, right now - right now, we’re down about 70% evaluation in the past year-and-a-half. I believe it was back in September 2014, we were at $1.43. So we’re down a $1 a share. And based on that, I think the board should really take into consideration the buyback situation. And I think financing of our land at 5% or 6% interest would be a very prudent method of doing it. And that would not in any way detract from the wonderful minerals that we have in the ground.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes. So I take that very well. We will absolutely deliberate on that. And take the comp constructively and positively. So thank you for that. So I can’t answer any questions on it, obviously now, but we’ll…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Sure, last question, do we have a date yet for the annual meeting?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

We are targeting end of April. And we’re just trying to tweak it and get the reservations. Because we filed the 10-K quickly again this year, we have another opportunity to make it a little earlier. I said, the only debate is, wanting to make sure the weather will be good, but otherwise we can do it as early as like April 21 or something like that. But we’ll probably know that within the next week.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Look forward to seeing you there.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thank you, sir.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thanks.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

All right, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. The time allotted for questions-and-answers has come to a close. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. De Gasperis for closing remarks.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Just want to thank everybody for their interest and participation. And please look out for the continued reporting on intercepts and ultimately what it means to the mine plans and the future of the company. Thank you all.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line and have a great day.