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Logitech International S.A. (LOGI)

Q4 2009 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 23, 2009

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Logitech’s fourth quarter financial results conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will be conducting a question-and-answer session towards the end of this conference and instructions will follow at that time. This call is being recorded for replay purposes and may not be reproduced in or in part without written authorization from Logitech. I would now like to turn your call over to Ms. Teresa Thuruthiyil, Director of Investor Relations at Logitech.

Teresa Thuruthiyil

Management

Thank you. Good afternoon and good morning everyone. Welcome to the Logitech conference call to discuss the company’s results for the quarter ended March 31, 2009; the fourth quarter of Logitech’s fiscal year 2009. The press release, a live webcast of this call and accompanying presentation slides are available online at www.logitech.com. This conference call will include forward-looking statements that are being made under the Safe Harbor of the Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including forward-looking statements with respect to future operating results. The forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated in the statements. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially include those set forth in Logitech’s annual report on Form 10-K dated May 30, 2008 and subsequent filings available online on the SEC EDGAR database and in the final paragraph of the press release reporting fourth quarter results, that was issued by Logitech and available at www.logitech.com. The press release also contains accompanying financial information for this call. The forward-looking statements made during this call represent management’s outlook only as of today and the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements as a result of new developments or otherwise. I would like to remind you that this call, including the question-and-answer portion, is being recorded and will be available for replay on the Logitech website. For those of you just joining us, let me repeat that presentation slides accompanying this call are also available on our website. Joining us today from Zurich is Gerry Quindlen, Logitech’s President and Chief Executive Officer, and in Fremont, we have Joe Greenhalgh, Logitech’s Vice President of Corporate Finance and Investor Relations. I’d now like to turn the call over to Gerry.

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Thanks Teresa and thanks to all of you for joining us. I’m going to start with an overview of our performance and then turn it over to Joe to going to more detail on our Q4 results. I’ll address our view looking forward following Joe’s comments. Our results in Q4 were very disappointing and this was especially true for our retail sales, down by 32% year-over-year with double-digit declines in all regions. The primary cause of the year-over-year decline in our Q4 sales was the global economic downturn. Our sales have been negatively impacted by the combination of weak consumer demand and the accelerating reset by our channel partners of their weeks of supply. I will touch on each of these along with the impact of the stronger US dollar in this first section. Our sales continued to be negatively impacted by the consumers’ understandable reluctance to spend during the severe economic recession. Not only are consumers spending less, but they are strongly attracted to the value proposition delivered by the wide variety of aggressive in-store and online promotions, but the most critical point I want to make from the start, is that consumer demand for our products in Q4 did not decline anywhere near as much as the rate of decline of our revenues. The best evidence for this point is the sell-through data. Let me share with you the sell-through and our top five geographic markets, which comprise more than half our retail sales. In the U.S., our largest retail market, our sell-through in Q4 was down by 11% compared to the prior year. In our three largest European markets, Germany, France and the U.K., we actually showed sell-through growth ranging from 1% in Germany, to low double-digit growth in France and the U.K. Among the top five…

Joe Greenhalgh

Management

Thanks Gerry. I’ll start with an overview of Q4 sales performance. Please note that the growth percentage as it follows are in comparison to Q4 fiscal 2008. Our retail sales fell by 32%, with units down 23%. Sales are down by 36% in EMEA, by 33% in the Americas and by 14% in Asia. The source of much of the weakness in EMEA was emerging markets in Russia, which have been hit very hard by the combination of the liquidity crisis in currency volatility. Looking at our regional sales in local currency, the decline were 26% in EMEA and 16% in Asia. Let me supplement the country specific sell-through data with the regional sell-through. Sell-through on local currency was down by 14% in the Americas, down by 7% in EMEA and sell-through increased by 4% in Asia. We have typically provided an overview of the performance for each of our retail product families; however, it’s difficult to draw any meaningful conclusion about the performance in individual product families, as they were all negatively impacted by the same factors that caused our overall sales decline. Instead, I’m going to limit my product related comments to a few key points. The decline in our sales was greater than the decline in units in all of our retail product families, resulting 11% drop in our overall retail average selling price, clearly had a negative impact on our top line performance. Gerry mentioned the consumer strong response to aggressive promotions and this was the major cause of the difference between our sales and unit performance. Sales of our products priced above $100 held up relatively well during the quarter. They represented roughly 16% of our sales in Q4, down around 100 basis points compared to the prior year. The move to our price point…

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Thanks Joe. I want to comment now on our outlook and plans going forward. The impact of this recession on consumer buying behavior has been extreme. Our strategy has continued to stay close to consumers and adapt rapidly to their changing needs. Consumers have become more skeptical; more value oriented and are increasing moving online both the research and purchase products. Let me talk about how we’re addressing these shift in consumer behavior. Exactly two years ago, we established a sizeable organization, whose mission was to focus on understanding and improving the consumers overall experience with our products. Through the use of net promoter score and other consumer feedback mechanisms, we already helped drive a number of meaningful and measurable improvements in our product. What we’ve learned about the changes in the consumer behavior has resulted in some shifts in our product development strategy. First, we are placing an increasing emphasis on strengthening the competitiveness of our entry level products. We’ve always participated at the entry level, but given the increased price sensitivity among a growing number of consumers and the resulting shift to lower price points, we’re taking actions to ensure we’re also the consumers’ first choice at these price points. For example, we recently won significant new opening price point business at a major U.S. retail chain. Beyond the entry level, we’ve tightened our focus on providing the consumer with the strongest possible overall value proposition, across all price points. Our goal, utilizing the lessons we’ve learned from our customer experience initiatives, is to maximize the products tangible benefits and to value the consumer associate with those benefits. Maximizing this tangible value proposition has become the guiding principle of our product strategy above the entry level. To give you just one example of this principle on action, I…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our first question will come from the line of Tavis McCourt with Morgan Keegan, please proceed.

Tavis McCourt - Morgan Keegan

Analyst · Morgan Keegan, please proceed

First on the gross margin; I was wondering if you could enlighten us on how at this point given that the revenue level, how much of the cost of goods sold is fixed in terms of overhead and how much does that improve things as the manufacturing capacity comes back in September and beyond. Then secondly, I was just trying to piece together that guidance and would you kind of give us a round number or how far down OpEx should trend in June versus March?

Joe Greenhalgh

Management

Hey Tavis. I think on the fixed portion of our manufacturing facilities, we haven’t given this both between fixed and variable. I think that we’ve factored into our Q1 target, what the impact is being underutilized in the factory. Obviously that will improve over time as demand picks up, but obviously there’s also a significant component to that that is fixed and again it’s reflected in the Q1 targets. As far as OpEx is concerned, we’re not getting a number. For Q1 I think that you can come up with your own model between the gross margin and the indicated operating loss target we’ve given you for Q1.

Tavis McCourt - Morgan Keegan

Analyst · Morgan Keegan, please proceed

Let me ask a follow-up; then I guess the sell-through trends obviously don’t look that horrible. So I was wondering if you could talk about any linearity in the quarter on sell-through by region. Did it get better from January to March or did it depend by region or did it get worse, on a sell-through basis?

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Yes Tavis, this is Gerry. So there is a seasonality within the quarters. We don’t see a constant pattern from month-to-month. There’s more promotions in some month than others because of holidays and natural events. What we did see that was very encouraging, particularly to the very end of Q4 was some stabilization in a number of our key markets and sell-through. So just to be clear, still in negative territory in EMEA and the U.S., but several weeks of stability; which is a very positive sign to us. It’s not getting better, but the first key that we’ll be looking for is to see those signs of stabilization and they were in several of our key markets and in several key product categories. Now what we’re looking for is to see that stabilization spread to more categories and to more markets, but in general we are very encouraged by that, but we don’t see a continuous pattern through the quarter. Some months have bigger sell-trough’s than others just because of the natural seasonality of the quarter.

Tavis McCourt - Morgan Keegan

Analyst · Morgan Keegan, please proceed

Thanks a lot.

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from the line of Jonathan Tseng with Merrill Lynch; please proceed.

Johnny Tseng - Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Hey, it’s Johnny Tseng, Merrill Lynch. A couple of questions; first one, just on Mark’s departure. I just wanted to see more explanation for that. It looks like (Inaudible) I don’t know how much you can speak with him, but Joe or Gerry what did he say to you when he told you he was moving?

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Johnny, it was strictly a personal decision by Mark. He was attracted to the opportunity. One of things that he shared with me was, he was attracted to the idea of a software company. He’s worked for Dell, HP and now Logitech more hardware oriented companies; he was excited by that. There are some additional responsibilities that he has there that were attracted to him, but Mark leaves on good terms. You’re free to contact him. He’s still busy working and helping us wrap some things up; tomorrow’s his last day. As Joe said and I said on the call, he led the close process, but it was just a personal decision by Mark.

Johnny Tseng - Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Okay, thanks and then just one another question just in terms of when we get to the September quarter, how do we think about this when the pressures of the destocking and the FX lift away? The revenue growth bounced back to match up to the sell outs-growth? Should there be some tail winds as there is restocking with the new products. I mean, how do we think about the September growth year-over-year?

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Yes, I think we said it in our earlier comments; when we talk about getting the equilibrium in Q2, what we’re saying at that point is that our revenue changes should move in sync for the most part, not identically, but should move more in sync with the changes in sell-through. We’re steering clear at this point of making any forecast about when top line growth will return. I guess it’s too hard to call. It all depends really on macroeconomic factors and what happens to underlying demand.

Johnny Tseng - Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Yes, first of all there simply is no single norm for weeks of supply. Every one of our retailers has a different target and for us they don’t have the same target for every product category. So we had a different weeks of supply category on Harmony than we did on mice for example. What I can share with you, again to be more transparent and give you some context that we’re seeing, from the end of the September quarter last year, till the end of the September quarter FY ’10, our estimation is the channel will take out more than 40% of the dollar value of inventory. So, that’s how drastic the destocking will be. So it’s pretty significant.

Johnny Tseng - Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Thanks very much.

Joe Greenhalgh

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from the line of Tom Schneckenburger with UBS; please proceed.

Tom Schneckenburger - UBS

Analyst

Okay. Good afternoon everybody. Two questions; one is on the FX impact on your gross profit line. You quantified an impact on sales of 5% and you said it was a significant drive of margin. Could you help us; what percentage was the impact on the gross profit and the second one is on pricing? Is your price reduction rather Q2 really promotional activities or is this permanent rating down on this price reduction which will not recover in the coming quarters? So this will be helpful. Thanks.

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Thank you, Thomas. I’ll talk to the second question and I’ll let Joe comment on the FX question. What we see in the ASP declines; the evidence that we see is pretty clear that the dominating factor is a more promotional retail environment, particularly in the U.S. as Joe said in his comments, but we acknowledge there is some lets call it moving down to lower price points by consumers. It’s hard to quantify, but frankly there isn’t a lot incentive for a consumer to say “Well, in the past when the economy was in more normal times I would have been content to buy this $99 keyboard or mouse with all these bells and vessels and feature, but I’m more of a budget, so I’ll buy this $59 item.” In fact, what’s happening is, with the constancy and frequency of promotion, they can get that $99 item for $79 or something else? So, that’s what we mean when we say the environment is very promotional. We look forward to pulling back from that, but that’s going to happing until core demand stabilizes and we don’t need to be as promotional. We do see that starting to lift as we’ve said, particularly after Q1, because we’ve worked off a lot of our inventory and the channel destocking should be complete within Q2. That will be the biggest factor that helps elevate the pressures on gross margin. I’ll let Joe comment on the FX question.

Joe Greenhalgh

Management

Tom just to clarify in the sale side, the impact was 4% rather than 5%. As far as the impact on gross margin, it was more substantial and it was in the top line, but we’re not going to quantify that. We may choose to do that in the future, but for the time being, we’re just going to identify the factors that impacted our gross margin and I’ll put a number to it.

Tom Schneckenburger - UBS

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of John Bright with Avondale Partners. Please proceed.

John Bright - Avondale Partners

Analyst · Avondale Partners. Please proceed

Thank you. I guess Joe in the slides it says you’ve got a plan to eliminate another $50 million in variable spending during the year, as well as what you’ve already eliminated. What areas do you plan to make those reductions?

Joe Greenhalgh

Management

So John, I mean in general it’s any spending that we would look at and say its variable. So, examples of that would be consulting. We would have had significant consulting expenses in the past, both in our IT organization and from supply chain perspective, TNAs and other obvious ones. So I think there are a variety of categories like that that we look at across every function in the company. We’ve given each one of the Senior Managers in the company targets to reduce their variable spending in those kind of categories and so it will be from any place where we think we can reduce our spending without negatively impacting the product development in customer touch points.

John Bright - Avondale Partners

Analyst · Avondale Partners. Please proceed

Okay. Gerry, both on acquisitions had been a core piece of your strategy for quite sometime and I think more recently you’ve talked about the potential of going a little bit higher in the type of acquisitions. Assuming no change what areas now do you think look promising for M&A targets?

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Yes, I mean we’re still aggressively looking for potential targets, John and we will continue and in fact that we continue to do good a job managing our cash gives us the ability to look in an environment like this. A lot of companies are not in a position. The area I would say; I mean we look across the spectrum, so we’re looking at acquisitions that would continue to expand our business around the PC; we still see a lot of room to grow around the PC, but I would say that the bigger focus for us is really in the digital home. We’re looking at a number of different categories within the digital home. I can’t get more specific, but it’s very comprehensive and there’s a lot really interesting areas where we see a fit with Logitech that would significantly broaden our position with the digital home. So that’s our number one focus.

John Bright - Avondale Partners

Analyst · Avondale Partners. Please proceed

Okay and we talked about this last quarter and I’ll ask you again to see if any change in the thought, but netbooks. Obviously there’s the rise of netbooks taking place. I’m trying to get a sense and feel of where you think or what impact you think that’s going to continuing to have on Logitech going forward and how you’re going to play that?

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Sure. So our view in the quarter is even though netbook; there were some nice sales in netbooks globally, we don’t think it really was a material impact in the quarter, but let me share with you what our philosophy or attitude is towards notebook. Net-net, bottom line we view as a positive; we view this as an opportunity for a lot of reasons. One of the things that’s very attractive about the net book in our view; if you think about it, it’s the first sizable Vintel platform in the ultra mobile world. Without netbooks, all of the ultra mobile opportunities would be restricted to really the proprietary Smartphone platform. So for us there’s actually an opportunity there. The other thing is, we’re always starting to plan for I’ll say netbook specific products in our roadmaps. We just conducted a study, it’s an internal study, that show that among net book owners, the same percentage of them as notebook owners owned a mouse already. What pleasantly surprised us was the purchase intent of buying a mouse. These net book owners versus note book owners was about 50% higher and that maybe because of some of the things we talked about in the script, which is the comfort factor. There is some trade offs with netbooks in terms of functionality versus notebook and certainly versus desktop. So the bottom line for us is, we do not view net book as a negative. We view it as an opportunity. It’s going to be a challenge for us. Just like note book was initially challenge versus our product development efforts to that point, which had all been targeted to the desktop. So that’s our philosophy on it.

John Bright - Avondale Partners

Analyst · Avondale Partners. Please proceed

Thanks and then the last question is going to be, any timeline Gerry that you have for CFO search?

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Well, we’ve already began an external search John. Mark leaves a very good team behind and I credit him for that. We’ve divided his responsibilities between two of the senior lieutenants, Joe being one of them. Joe is not only Head of Investor Relations, but our VP of Corporate Finance and our Corporate Controller, Tom Fergoda. So things are in good hands; we’re conducting am external search. I don’t a timeframe, because really as you can appreciate, it’s all about finding the right person.

John Bright - Avondale Partners

Analyst · Avondale Partners. Please proceed

Thank you.

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Andy Hargreaves with Pacific Crest; please proceed.

Andy Hargreaves - Pacific Crest

Analyst

Hey guys. I’m wondering if there was something structural that the retailers are changing, that’s going to allow them to sustain the lower inventory levels or will they have to build backup eventually.

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Well that’s a very good question, because most of our retailers are saying and I hear them saying this about every product category, not just about Logitech, is that they view this as a fundamental change, meaning that they want to get to new weeks of supply and stay there. I think the proof will be when growth does return in general to the economies and we’re back to double-digit growth. We’re very confident we’ll get there in time and if they start to see their out of stock go way up, I think there maybe some easing from these lower weeks of supply. Right now that’s what they’re saying and only time will tell.

Andy Hargreaves - Pacific Crest

Analyst

Okay and then the follow-up question I guess is, it maybe that answers it a little bit, but why are they pulling back so significantly if sell-through on your products in particular hasn’t changed or hasn’t fallen off a cliff.

Mark Hawkins

Analyst

Well one thing to keep in mind, I think a perfect example that maybe illustrates his whole phenomenon is if you look at what’s happened with Harmony. In the first of this year, our sales of Harmony, our sell-in grew 39% in the first half of the year, and our sell-through grew slightly faster than that. So the biggest concern retailers had about Logitech Harmony was running out of stock. So they were more than willing to carry higher weeks of supply target than they would on other product categories; some of our product categories and certainly other categories in their store, because it’s a high growth category, high retail ring and they don’t want to run out of it. When demand hit the wall and as we said, there’s very sharp and sudden drop-off in demand, the retailer just completely pullback and said, “look, number one, I don’t need all the inventory I’ve got and frankly, I don’t want to state the same weeks of supply target. I’d like to go two or three weeks lower” and you can just imagine what that did to our sales. In the second half of the year, our Harmony sales were down 45%, but when we get to a new equilibrium, they’ll start to move together again. I think the key will be your first question, which is, when things get back to normal, are we going to see the pressure that take the weeks of supply backup? Frankly in my mind, we’ll go through some paying to get there, but it will be very good for us and them to stay at these new lower levels. So the retailer may have to run the risk of more out of stocks than in the past, but I think the Harmony example explains it very well.

Andy Hargreaves - Pacific Crest

Analyst

Just a follow-up on that last point, are you seeing already an increase in out of stock at some of the retail partners?

Gerry Quindlen

Management

In general I would say, yes. Retailers are more willing to tolerate that risk than they’ve been in the past. Just because they would rather run that risk, than run the risk of having too many goods on hand. So eventually it has to change, right? I don’t think we’ve hit that point yet, but eventually that has to change. They’re going to start being more concerned about missing sales opportunities and that’s when I think we’ll start to see upside opportunities; a little bit of a tail wind as Johnny said for sales, but we aren’t there as yet.

Andy Hargreaves - Pacific Crest

Analyst

Okay thanks.

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Alexander Peterc with Exane Bnp Paribas. Please proceed.

Alexander Peterc - Exane Bnp Paribas

Analyst · Exane Bnp Paribas. Please proceed

Yes, thanks. I’d like to just ask you a little question on the calendar effective of Easter. Did that effect in any specific way for example the gaming category, the one question. Second one is, can you give us your idea of what’s going on in China? Have you seen the same demand as other industries seem to be indicating? Thanks.

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Yes sure. The first question, we can’t point to any material impact from the shift Easter. I think Easter was what, two or three weeks later this year. We saw it in some seasonality of our sell-through, but that’s normal. China, actually we had a good quarter. In general the emerging markets as Joe said were not good in the quarter. They were not good in Eastern Europe, Russia not good, Latin America was weak and it’s all due to the factors Joe mentioned which is, that’s where the credit crisis is most prevalent and then the currency volatility has added to that. Ironically China was really a standout. We had a very good quarter in China in both sell-through and sell-in. So we’re obviously trying to keep that going.

Alexander Peterc - Exane Bnp Paribas

Analyst · Exane Bnp Paribas. Please proceed

Okay thanks. Can I have a third follow-up then on gross margins? I understand that the promotion is a big part of the decline we’re seeing at the movement. Can you tell us when we see an improvement; will that to be primarily driven by the introduction of new products or more by the end of the promotion activities?

Joe Greenhalgh

Management

The single biggest factor that will ease the pressure on gross margin is what we’ve been saying throughout the call; which is, as the channel gets to a new equilibrium into Q2; as the fact that we worked off a lot of our inventory helps tremendously, but we’ve got a little bit more work to do there, I’m happy with the progress, but we’re not finished. So, I think those are the two biggest factors, but the new progress will help as well. Frankly input costs are going in a right direction, but frankly that impact is smaller compared to these other factors. The first factor I mentioned is the biggest thing that will ease the pressure on gross margin, just not meaning to be so promotional to stimulate demand or to reset the channel.

Alexander Peterc - Exane Bnp Paribas

Analyst · Exane Bnp Paribas. Please proceed

Excellent, thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Simon Schafer with Goldman Sachs; please proceed.

Simon Schafer - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

Yes, thanks so much. Joe I was just wondering, once we added this challenging period; just obviously a couple of things that perhaps at some level is changing on a more structural basis. So I was wondering as we move into a more normalized period, do you think this online trend and then also this change towards more the entry level product range and then of course promotional mix, arguably stays around for sometime? Does that still allow you to go back to the 32% sort of model range for gross margin, specifically assuming that the dollars stays where it is today?

Joe Greenhalgh

Management

Yes, I mean our view Simon is that the 32%, 34% range is still valid, but we will acknowledge that we don’t know when we’ll get back there and it will take sometime and the most important factor is the global economy stabilizing and consumer confidence returning and things like that, but we’re very confident that it’s still a valid range for the long term. At the end of the first half, our gross margin was 34.2%. We were slightly above our long term range and obviously went down dramatically in the second half and that was all driven in our view by economic factors. So to us, the long term range, the way that we think of it, it’s the best metric that we can come up with to measure our ability to effectively innovate overtime, to bring meaningful innovation to consumers’ overtime and that’s why we believe it’s still a valid target range; it’s because we don’t see anything that’s happened that invalidates our ability to bring meaningful innovation and allow us to deliver 32 to 34, but it will take some time to get back to it. In terms of online, Simon I do think this is permanent; I can’t tell you to what degree. We always had consumers coming to our website in big numbers to research products, even if they bought them at retail. In fact most people who buy retail come to our site first to get information, but I think the current trends are accelerating that, and I think this will help us grow our online business, both logitech.com and our partners’ business. Amazon is already a huge customer and they’re getting bigger. So I think from standpoint, the impacts are more permanent.

Simon Schafer - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

Maybe just help me understand how, if that online move is really more prevalent and you’re moving more aggressively towards the entry level product range, surely this move towards online, somewhere along the line is increasing price trend. So how can that be beneficial for your gross margin?

Mark Hawkins

Analyst

It’s positive today. I really don’t see the linkage. I’m following your line of thinking. On the question about the lower and I think it’s important to remind everyone, we’ve always participated there. What we’re saying is, we’re adjusting our portfolio, because we think consumers are more price sensitive in this environment and we’ve always made the case that the margins of our products at the lower end are just as good, in many cases better with some of our products at the higher end. So, we don’t see as a negative from a margin standpoint that people move to the lower end. The best thing that will help our gross margin, pressure is easing the promotional environment that we’re in.

Simon Schafer - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

Understood, and my follow-up question would be more related to the buyback program. You still I think have the existing program ongoing from February ’08. So maybe you could just update us as to what the intensions maybe and by how much you may decide to renew that; just similar to the balance sheet strength that you’re citing? Thanks.

Mark Hawkins

Analyst

Yes, it’s still there and we’re still committed to it. We pullback a little bit in light of the economic conditions and that’s one of ways we’ve been able to preserve cash. We prioritize preserving cash over buying back our stock, but it’s still there and it’s still valid and we still plan to move forward with it, there is really no change.

Simon Schafer - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

Should we expect another renewal of an additional program then once you finish with this one?

Gerry Quindlen

Management

At this point, we’re not commenting on that.

Simon Schafer - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

Okay thanks.

Gerry Quindlen

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Michael Foeth with Bank Vontobel; please proceed.

Michael Foeth - Bank Vontobel

Analyst

Yes, hi Gerry, hi Joe. I have two questions. First one, regarding your DSOs that was down very nicely. I was wondering how sustainable you believe that is? The second question is just a clarification regarding the costs savings. You’re talking about $100 million costs savings in total and $50 million in this year for other cost. Is it right to assume that if I take the OpEx that we’ve seen for fiscal ’09 that we should expect $100 million less in ’10, is that right?

Joe Greenhalgh

Management

Mike, I’ll start with your second question first. $100 million, which is a combination of $50 million in personal expense related savings and the rest of variable spending, a portion of that is coming out of cost of goods sold. We haven’t quantified the two for you, but you can assume the majority is OpEx, but there is certainly a COGS piece that won’t be visible to you. Secondly, DSO; it was a great DSO for the quarter. In fact that was the lowest DSO we’ve in a quarter in at least seven years. I think it’s unrealistic to think that’s sustainable. We’ll certainly do our best to trying and manage our DSO effectively as we’ve been doing over the last several years. In particular, but I wouldn’t want to set the expectation that we’d stay at that kind of level going forward.

Michael Foeth - Bank Vontobel

Analyst

So is it reasonable to say that there’s no structural reason behind that decline and that it should return to a more normal level that we’ve seen in the past, in the long run I would say?

Joe Greenhalgh

Management

Yes, I think it’s reasonable to assume nothing has changed structurally.

Michael Foeth - Bank Vontobel

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Nicolas von Stackelberg from Sal Oppenheimer; please proceed.

Nicolas von Stackelberg - Sal Oppenheimer

Analyst

Yes, thanks for taking my question. I was wondering whether you could share with us the cash impact from restructuring in the quarter.

Joe Greenhalgh

Management

Yes, I was just pausing to think that true. The cash impact in the quarter, I don’t think we’ve got that number available right now. I can certainly follow-up with you and get it as soon as we have it readily available.

Nicolas von Stackelberg - Sal Oppenheimer

Analyst

Yes, that would be very kind. Just that we are not surprised if a larger portion of that were to hit the quarter you’re now entering. Then following on the question regarding DSO; would it be safe to assume that after this fantastic job you’ve done on net working capital in Q4, that there would be some swing back, especially as you are preparing to launch new product towards the end of the quarter?

Gerry Quindlen

Management

If you look historically what happens with our working capital, the first half of the year is where we make our significant investment, given the fact we are launching new products. So I would assume that for my seasonally standpoint, if you look at what’s happened with our cash conversion cycle in the past, that even though the environment has changed, what you’ve seen in the first half of this year should be similar than what you’ve seen in previous years; at least in terms of the direction on a quarterly basis.

Nicolas von Stackelberg - Sal. Oppenheim

Analyst

Yes, I’d take that as a fair comment. Having said this, the step down was especially pronounced as evidenced by the low DSO. So I was wondering whether we should maybe get ready for a swing back and a more pronounced swing back in the second quarter.

Gerry Quindlen

Management

I think at this point there’s no benefit for us to start giving targets for the second quarter. Again I would just go back to what’s…?

Nicolas von Stackelberg - Sal. Oppenheim

Analyst

For the first quarter, calendar Q2?

Gerry Quindlen

Management

I think our first quarter, I think as far as a balance sheet is concern we’re not going to give any specific targets again. Only I’d say about the balance sheet, I would not assume that you’d see the kind of sequential decrease in inventory that we saw from Q3 to Q4 and again if you look historically, you’ll see that that’s been true as well. So I’m not going to give you a specific target, but it’s safe to assume that the first half of the year, including Q1 is when we start to invest more from a working capital standpoint.

Nicolas von Stackelberg - Sal. Oppenheim

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

That concludes our conference call for today. You may all now disconnect. Thank you.