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Loop Industries, Inc. (LOOP)

Q3 2024 Earnings Call· Wed, Jan 17, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Hello, everyone, and thank you for standing by. The Loop Industries Third Quarter 2024 Corporate Update Call will begin shortly. Thank you for your patience. Please stand by. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Loop Industries Third Quarter 2024 Corporate Update Call. [Operator Instructions] This conference is being recorded today, January 17, 2024, and the press release, accompanying this conference call was issued last evening, January 16, 2024. On our call today is Loop Industries Chief Executive Officer, Daniel Solomita; Fady Mansour, Chief Financial Officer; and Kevin O'Dowd, VP of Communications and Investor Relations. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kevin to read the disclaimer about the forward-looking statements.

Kevin O'Dowd

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Before we get started, let me remind you that today's meeting will include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the securities laws. These forward-looking statements related to, among other things, current plans, expectations, events, industry's trends that may affect the company's future operating results and financial position. Such statements involve risks and uncertainties and future activities and results may differ materially from these expectations. Additional information concerning these statements and related risks and uncertainties is contained in the Risk Factors and Forward-Looking Statements section of our latest annual report from 10-K, our quarterly report on the 10-Q filed with the SEC yesterday and yesterday's press release. Copies of these documents are available at sec.gov or from our Investor Relations department. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Daniel Solomita, Chief Executive Officer of Loop Industries. Please go ahead, Daniel.

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for Loop Industries Earnings Call for the Third Quarter of Fiscal 2024. I'm Daniel Solomita, the Founder and CEO of Loop Industries. I appreciate your presence. We had an interesting quarter, several highlights to go through. I'll start in chronological order. I guess the highlight was a groundbreaking ceremony that took place at the Ulsan ARC on November 15, 2024 (sic) [ November 15, 2023 ] in South Korea. It was an honor to be there and to be able to present our Infinite Loop technology at the event. The event was attended by several senior members of the SK Corporation, SK Innovation, SK GC, as well as the Prime Minister of South Korea, Han Duck-soo. It was a groundbreaking ceremony for the ARC's facility, where Loops Technology will be a part of the ARC in Ulsan. It was well attended, a lot of customers were there as well, very interested in purchasing PET resin and polyester fiber made through Loops technology. The event marks a significant milestone for the Infinite Loop Ulsan project, anticipated to start in the first half of '24 and to be completed in 2026. I guess one of the biggest milestones was what in our announcement yesterday was the strategic partnership with Reed Management, a French fund manager for $66 million of non-dilutive capital for Loop. Of the $66 million, $33 million comes directly to Loop Industries, that $33 million of non-dilutive capital comes in three separate tranches. The first tranche is $11 million, which is nonrefundable. That nonrefundable portion is to allow Reed to co-invest with us in Europe. There's -- the second and third tranches are $11 million each for a total of $22 million, which is a loan to Loop Industries to be…

Fady Mansour

Analyst

Thank you very much, Dan. Yes, I echo your comments. We're thrilled with the announcement hot off the press, excited about the partner, the amount and the flexibility of the financing rate. So there's more to come, but this was clearly the foundational element that we saw needed. Going through the financial information for the quarter, we've posted the presentation to the website, if you have that open. If not, please let me lead you through that discussion. On the P&L for the 3 months ended November 30, a significant drop in operating expenses. The company has exceeded my targets for reducing costs, but smartly reducing costs. We're not just going at it with guns blazing. We're being very methodical in how we reduce costs. So if you take them caption by caption, we've seen a 60% reduction in the R&D bucket. We've seen a 25% reduction in the G&A bucket. And obviously, the corresponding quarter of Q3 2023 had a onetime accounting gain on the disposal of land for Becancour. If you strip away that onetime gain, our operating expenses went down to the tune of 45%. So that exceeded my internal targets. I'm thrilled with the team who have been focused on smartly reducing costs, but also preserving the integrity of the product that we offer. So in terms of the P&L, our run rate right now, remember, I guided towards the cash burn rate, if you take the total expenses of about $4.3 million, subtract the non-cash of stock-based comp, which is about $400,000 for the quarter. Depreciation is another $131,000. And then, amount that we spent for the Ulsan project, which we did expense in our P&L, but will be recoverable when we settle what we refer to as a statement of account once we pass…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We do have our first question, comes from Gerard Sweeney from ROTH Capital Partners.

Gerard Sweeney

Analyst

Just wanted to, if you don't mind, a couple of questions around the Reed JV, which obviously, congratulations. It's a nice one for you guys. With this investment, the way I'm reading it, you're creating a JV, so Loop your 50/50 with Reed. My understanding is they're going to handle 100% of the investment -- the equity requirements for facilities in Europe? Is that -- or the do you have the ability to invest as well? Sorry...

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

Yes. So the Loop Europe's company will be owning 100% of the equity of the projects we build within Europe. That's a 50/50 split between the two companies. So -- but Loop Europe is going to be the one that owns the equity in the plants, of which Loop Industries owns 50%, Reed's own 50%. They're putting in the first $33 million for us to be able to execute on projects, paying for permitting, licensing, whatever we need to get the projects off the ground. Any cash contributions after the $33 million would be done 50/50.

Gerard Sweeney

Analyst

I got you. So just making up a number, if the plant was just say $100 million, let's just say, equity contribution with $100 million Loop and Reed would each contribute $50 million, if that was the requirement for the JV, correct? I know that because of this JV -- with other JVs potentially so. Yes.

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

After the $33 million is exhausted, everything else is 50-50. And all of the royalty fees, all of the engineering fees, everything that comes from the project goes to Loop Industries, the parent company. So royalty fees are roughly between $6 million to $10 million a year, in licensing fees that comes back to Loop Industries, the parent company, not the European partnership.

Gerard Sweeney

Analyst

They don't have any claims on that?

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

None whatsoever.

Gerard Sweeney

Analyst

And then -- got it. Yes. Now will Reed have any ability to -- in terms of input on negotiations, timing, size of plants or costs? Or are they sort of acquired partner in that regard?

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

Yes, Loop is going to be leading the way on all of the -- obviously, it's our technology, the size of the plants and everything else. We expect a good working relationship with Reed, obviously. But we'll take the lead there. We obviously -- we are planning to have a CEO of the partnership that's going to be nominated by Loop to the project to the head up the Loop European company. So most of the directive comes from Loop, we have all the relationships in the marketplace. But Reed does bring a tremendous amount of experience on developing and financing large infrastructure projects in Europe. The principle of Reed was on the Board of SUEZ for many years, our partner in France. That's how he learned from the company. That's how we learned about Loop, learned about our technology. So I've had a relationship with him for many years. So he's been a big believer in Loop's technology for many, many years. So they are going to bring an element of experience, especially on the waste management side and the waste collection side. That's where Reed's team can be tremendously valuable to our partnership.

Gerard Sweeney

Analyst

Got it. And that was sort of my next question was just Reed's experience in making investments in these type of sort of, I'm going to call it, infrastructure projects for a lack of better term? As well as I was just also curious as to the size of the current -- the size of the fund.

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

Yes. The fund, I think, is closing out that EUR 1.5 billion. They have experience -- the management team has experience with infrastructure projects in Europe. The principal was formerly with Meridiam, it was a large -- I think it's a $10 billion infrastructure manager in Europe. I think the cost of Suez was a multibillion dollar acquisition of Suez from Veolia. So they're used to financing large infrastructure projects. They also bring all of their banking relationships to the table with us in Europe, which is hugely important for debt financing, project finance and things of that nature. So yes, it's going to be very, very helpful for us. Loop has great technology. We have -- not try to say it. We have the best technology in the world in what we do, we've always had. The banking side and the financing side has always been where we need to catch up to the technology side. And we think that this partnership with Reed, not only the $33 million of non-dilutive capital, but also the banking relationships and everything else they bring to the table in Europe is going to be tremendously helpful to us.

Gerard Sweeney

Analyst

Got it. Yes. I couldn't agree more. And then what are the hurdles for closing? It sounded like -- it sounds like you're sort of in the ninth inning, but I just want to see a little bit more due diligence or any major -- any higher hurdles, but...

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

We're very comfortable on the closing. That's why we felt comfortable enough to put the document out there and announce the partnership at this step. The teams are already working on all of the closing documents, you have to set up a joint venture, you have to set up a company in Europe. So all of those are the steps that have to happen. That's why we think it would take approximately until March -- middle of March is when the closing date is expected. But we have to incorporate a company in Europe, partner there. So there's quite a bit of work to do on that end, but no hurdles that we feel are insurmountable. And both companies have a great working relationship. This is something that we both want to do together. And so we're really excited about the partnership and about who we're working with.

Gerard Sweeney

Analyst

Got it. Just switching gears on a couple of quick questions on the SK plant. Just wanted to get an update, looks like timing maybe is pushed back a little bit. And then I'm just curious, just project costs have finalized and then obviously, there are some cost -- some investment you had to make on this front, which the Reed side certainly helps, but I wanted to get some more clarity on that and then that will be...

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

Short finance. So the Reed is the foundational part of our financing package. It's not the entire financing package, but it's the foundational part of our financing package. I believe last quarter, we said in our filing that we are working with a strategic partner, which is Reed. We're working with the government and some customers. So the first part is done with the Reed and the strategic partner. Now we're finalizing. We're in advanced discussions to finalize the rest of the financing package with the governments and the customers. So our goal is always to be able to do customers, governments, so really strategic partners of Loop rather than tapping the equity markets and raising capital at a low valuation, which would be -- I'd be a little bit uncomfortable doing. And so we're executing on our plan, as we said, this is the first step of that multi-strategic partner plan, but we're well underway to execute on what we said. Time is always a little bit against us. Being a Public company is always -- you always have that clock. That's 3 months, you got to report something. In our case, Public company that plays against us, but we were very confident in being able to execute on our financing package for the facility moving forward. Second part, I guess, was the cost in Ulsan for the project. The project costs are crystallizing. We've seen a little bit of an increase in cost, mainly due to labor costs in Ulsan, South Korea. So Ulsan right now is a hotbed of activity. So there's a lot of projects being built in Ulsan. I believe Hyundai is building the largest electric car battery factory in the world in Ulsan. In our industry, Saudi Aramco is building a $7 billion petrochemical complex in Ulsan. And so manpower and resources are more expensive because of the amount of projects being built. It also plays a little bit on the timing because when you're planning out these construction projects, when you're fighting for labor, it could challenge the time schedules a little bit. But nothing that we can't manage. I think it's also important to remind people that SK covers over 80% of the cost of the facilities. So any of the over projected overruns of the project are absorbed, 80% of it is absorbed by SK. So Loops responsible for less than 20% of any of those increases. So, those are the main drivers for the increases. We haven't seen any increases on our technology side or any of our proprietary equipment. It's really labor related in Korea.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Mark Reichman from Noble Capital Markets.

Mark Reichman

Analyst

Starting with Ulsan. The question I have is when you look at your strategic plan to develop 10 additional facilities, is Ulsan pretty much the template going forward. I mean, in terms of a 60-40 financing and a 51-49 split and the licensing agreement, et cetera. And then like with Reed, you're kind of satisfying your equity portion. Do you expect that kind of that template to change at all, as you develop future projects?

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

So the way we've built it, these are large infrastructure projects. These are plants that are going to be around for the next 25, 30 years. And for us, being a smaller technology provider, we're trying to be in the mix between owning equity in the plant. It's creating value there, but also bringing -- by bringing in partners that have experience that complement our core competencies, which our core competencies are the technology partnerships and customer relationships. We bring in partners that can complement that, such as SK, who brings in the construction experience, the operating of chemical plant experience. So that's where they complement us tremendously. Reed obviously complements us on the financing side, being able to bring in the capital and then we bring in partners such as SUEZ, where they can bring in waste plastic. So that's another complementary. And all of Loop, the parent company becomes more of the licensing revenue -- generating revenue through licensing fees and our core development fees, that we charge to the projects. It's going to be the template specifically the 60/40 split and the 51-49 is definitely the template for Asia with SK. So SK has -- SK and Loop together, the partnership has a plan to build out multiple of these facilities, all across Asia. We've talked about South Korea and Ulsan, we've talked about China. We've talked about Japan as well. Vietnam is very interesting. So I believe Asia is well covered with the SK partnership. In Europe, we have this one partnership with -- obviously, the Reed partnership will be co-investing with us. We have demand for multiple facilities in Europe but always having Reed as a partner. And then the rest of the world, we take it case by case. There could be opportunities in some lower cost countries, where we would feel more comfortable owning more of the equity. But really, what we want to do is make sure all of that licensing revenue is at $6 million to $10 million per year per plant is flowing back to Loop Industries, the parent company.

Mark Reichman

Analyst

Okay. And so like, for example, you'll be looking for -- you've got the debt partner with SK and then you have the equity portion. Could you -- would you expect -- I mean, could you have multiple equity partners? Or I mean, do you -- how much do you -- or do you think like some of these companies that are taking up the debt portion do you see them participating having kind of a partner that participates on the debt side and on multiple projects or how are you kind of thinking about that? Or do you think that each country will kind of have their own set of investors?

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

So in Asia with SK, SK provides all of the debt financing for all of the projects across Asia. So if it's in Japan, China, Korea, SK puts their corporate guarantee on the debt. So Loop is not responsible for any of the debt for anything in Asia. In -- let's say, Europe, we have Reed. Reed also brings in their deep relationships with different banks across the world. So they'll be instrumental in helping any debt financing needed, for projects. But there you could -- we bring another equity -- we can bring in other equity shareholders that can bring other strategic value, either a petrochemical company, a waste management company that brings in the petrochemical side or the access to waste plastic. So it's more of a combination there. I would say part of the financing as well that increasing, and we see it in France already and our project in France is, the governments are very active in helping to finance these infrastructure projects creating good paying jobs and also to help the plastic recycling and sustainability aspects of it. So, we, in our French project, we have discussed and are negotiating with the French government for a significant amount of grants to be able to help finance these facilities. So governments are going to play a very strategic role moving forward in the financing packages.

Mark Reichman

Analyst

Okay. And then just the second part of my question is, so you're getting that 3% of revenues in licensing fees. But when you look at kind of the plant operating cost structure, where 40% is feedstock and 30% is fixed cost and 30% variable cost. How does that vary by country? Does it vary too much?

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

That does vary a little bit by country. I could say that CapEx varies by country because of labor rates mainly, so if you're building something in Ulsan, which is Korea, which is quite high as far as labor rates versus, let's say, building something in China, which is much lower labor rates, so CapEx will change. The energy costs are going to be -- the variable costs are mainly energy. So depending on the cost of energy in that country, that will affect the variable costs. Fixed costs are mainly labor again. So if you're going to a less -- a country where labor is much cheaper than your fixed cost will be much cheaper. So the region that you're choosing does play a significant -- does impact the finances of the facilities.

Mark Reichman

Analyst

Right. So that has an impact on the planned operating cost, but how much impact does it have on the top line revenue on the price that you're getting to the product? So in other words, there can be variability between...

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

Yes. So the top line, you're selling the product internationally. So because the product is produced, let's say, in South Korea, doesn't mean that it's going to be sold into South Korea. We're expecting that to be sold to global CPG companies in other countries. So we always look to have -- the best model is to have the lowest operating cost and selling it to the highest price market.

Mark Reichman

Analyst

You got a global price, kind of a global price deck and then -- but your costs are going to be a little more localized, right?

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

Exactly. And so one of the best models would be to produce these material in lower-cost countries. And then selling it into the global markets or, let's say, where markets were regulation is driving the price. So Europe is the leading, if you take that example, Europe is really leading the way because of all of the regulation in Europe in 2025, brands have to be using a certain percentage recycled content in their packaging or else they're paying taxes. Certain countries in Europe are taxing virgin petroleum-based plastics. And so all of those things drive the price of plastics up in Europe. And so producing in a low-cost country, selling into Europe, would be the best for the top line of these facilities and the profitability at the plant level.

Operator

Operator

We currently have no further questions registered. So I would like to hand the call back to Kevin for closing remarks. Kevin, over to you.

Kevin O'Dowd

Analyst

Thank you for your participation today in today's conference. If you have any questions, you can follow up with me and our team here at Loop. We appreciate your time. You may now disconnect.

Daniel Solomita

Analyst

Thank you, everybody. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.