Yes. As far as licensing, it's really interesting. there's a lot of different models or different ways to do licensing. For us, one thing is definitely to have an upfront payment, which -- because there's a lot of work that goes into the licensing side. A percentage of revenue is always something that's interesting. Loop is unique because we bring in the customer relationships as well. We have strong relationships with a lot of the customer brands. So we do a lot of -- like in the joint venture in India, for example, we do all of the sales. So Ester is the manufacturing partner. We work together on the product, but all the sales comes through Loop. But when you're licensing, there's a lot of different ways. There's upfront fees, there's potential licensing on an annual basis, a percentage of revenue. And then if they want us to get involved in helping on the sales side, that would be an extra charge. So there's a lot of different ways to be able to do it. It's really tailored. It's really going to depend a lot about the price of PET. That's going to be the driving factor, right? PET prices today, let's say, in Europe, today, you're talking about EUR 1,650, so USD 1,825. So those numbers make it challenging to be spending big CapEx in Europe because of the low PET price. We're expecting to see PET prices move into the $2,000 range, maybe the $2,200 range in early 2025 when the regulation comes in. So it really depends that revenue, you got to make sure that whoever is licensing your technology has enough profit to be able to license the technology and be interested in licensing your technology. So the pricing is going to play a big factor into it. People that are expecting PET prices to be at EUR 3,000, I don't think that's realistic whatsoever. So those type of projections are completely false and I don't think any producer or any customers willing to pay those type of prices, which is why you see a lot of projects stalling right now in Europe. And the second part of your question, North America. Yes, we're talking to a couple of different opportunities in North America, looking and seeing where the best opportunity is for us. We would love to do something. We've always said we want to do something in Quebec in Canada. So we'll see how that plays out, but we always would love to do a larger scale facility than the one we have in Montreal.