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Dorian LPG Ltd. (LPG)

Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 1, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Dorian LPG Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Additionally, a live audio webcast of today’s conference call is available on Dorian LPG’s website, which is www.dorianlpg.com. Many of the remarks today contain forward-looking statements based on current expectations. These statements may often be identified with words such as expect, anticipate, believe or similar indications of future expectations. Although the company believes that such forward-looking statements are reasonable, the company cannot assure you that any forward-looking statement will prove to be correct. These forward-looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties and other factors as well as general economic conditions. Should one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize or should underlying assumptions or estimates prove to be incorrect, actual results may vary materially from those expressed today. Additionally, please refer to the company’s annual report on Form 10-K, where you will find risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements. I would now like to turn the conference over to your John Hadjipateras, Chief Executive Officer of Dorian LPG. Please go ahead.

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for joining our financial year 2018 third quarter earnings call. We have changed the format for this call. And instead of remarks from me to John Lycouris, Ted Young and myself, I will make a brief introduction, after which John L. and Ted will join me, and we will be opening for Q&A. Dorian owns and operates the most modern fleet of VLGCs in the world. Our spot ships are operated in the Helios LPG pool from our London office and the Singapore office of our partner and cofounder, Phoenix Tankers, a subsidiary of Mitsui O.S.K. Working in a challenging freight market environment, our chartering teams have remained focused on our commitment to excellence and customer service, and the benefit of this is reflected in a time charter equivalent rate achieved for the quarter, which was $22,833, and the overall fleet utilization rate of 95.6%. Our spot ships earned $20,357 per day with a 94.6% utilization rate. In-house technical management by our team in Athens with direct control over the day-to-day management of our ships enables us to control costs without compromising the safety and excellence, which we strive to achieve at sea and onshore. Our daily OpEx continued to improve in the last quarter to $7,800 per day roughly flat with the prior quarter and a significant decline from $8,450 per day in the same period last year. Our adjusted EBITDA was $24.7 million; net income, $1.7 million; and EPS, $0.03, including mark-to-market on swaps. We are very focused on the robustness of our balance sheet and believe that its health reflects the good work of our financial team. The outstanding balance under the bridge loan provided by our friends at DNB was reduced to $66.9 million. We recently concluded a refinancing of the…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Noah Parquette with JPMorgan. Please state your question.

Noah Parquette

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, guys.

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

Good morning.

Noah Parquette

Analyst

You’ve outperformed the market by quite a bit this quarter, which I think is about 16,000. sharing your secret sauce, can you maybe talk a little bit about how that happened and is anything sustainable there?

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

Thank you. Simple question, Noah. Well, there’s no secret sauce. I mean, we do our job. We’ve continued – I think it is not for the first time we’ve been outperforming. I think if you see, we’ve outperformed the market for several quarters in a row. And it’s partly due to the fact that we have a very good team, partly due to luck and partly to the fact that we’ve traded more in the West than our – some of our competitors. But if you’re asking whether past performance is a guarantee of future, it’s something that we can’t do, unfortunately. We have confidence in our people and in our operation, like I said in our remarks though.

Noah Parquette

Analyst

Okay, thanks. Okay. And then shifting to the bridge loan. You pushed back step-up, I think, April. Can you give an update on where you are in terms of the refinancing of the rest of the ships under that facility?

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

Sure Noah, Ted will give you an update.

Ted Young

Analyst

Hey, Noah it’s Ted. Actually, I’m over in Asia as I finalize the transaction. So if there’s a bit of a crack on the line, that’s it. We’ve continued to make good progress on the bridge loan. Number of different options including the transaction structures that we’ve been looking at in Japan. So we’ve continued to be pressing ahead. And I think our goal would be to try to get this done before the interest rate steps up. But on the other hand, we did the bridge loan initially to have as much flexibility as possible and make sure we don’t unnecessarily enter into a financing transaction that may not be ideal. But all that said, I think we’re guardedly optimistic that we’re going to be able to consummate something that we’re happy with and is good for the company in due course here.

Noah Parquette

Analyst

Okay, great. That’s helpful. That’s all I have. I will turn over to next.

Ted Young

Analyst

Thanks Noah.

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

Thank you, Noah.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from John Gandolfo with Clarksons Platou Securities. Please state your question. John please state your question. Your line is muted.

John Gandolfo

Analyst

Sorry about that. Hey good morning gentlemen. Thanks for taking my question.

Ted Young

Analyst

Hi, John.

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

Hi, John.

John Gandolfo

Analyst

Just wanted to say congratulations on the solid quarter – I mean, again, the outperformance has been pretty much over the last couple of quarters a surprise to The Street. And I mean, I guess, looking towards the broader market, and you did mention, John, that it has to do with maybe potentially positioning your fleet more towards Western voyages or Western loadings, so to speak. We’ve seen now, I guess, in terms of the pricing differentials start to widen once again on the U.S. to the Far East. Should we expect at least over the initial months relative to the current benchmark AG Far East quotes that we are starting to see more of a pricing or earnings differential between the two regions?

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

I wouldn’t want to venture a guess. At the moment, there you can see a premium, but I really – we really can’t predict. I don’t want to be apologetic for our performance to date, but I don’t know that we can guarantee the sort of delta to continue. There are some changes in the structure of the market. There are more ships in the spot market. So the biggest operator hasn’t renewed its COAs, and most of its fleet now is in the spot market, and we view that as a positive. So we’re hopeful that the whole market will rise. So we’re not just looking at the relative. We’d like to look at the absolute numbers being better down the line.

John Gandolfo

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And I guess another general market question. If we’re looking towards, I guess, the overall broader LPG fleet, there is still, I guess, a little bit of a headwind in terms of medium-sized carriers and below delivering this year. Do you see that having an effect on keeping rates subdued, so to speak, as we do go through that part of the order book?

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

No. We think that – we don’t see medium sized as encroaching on our trade. It’s a bit of the opposite, I’d say. The growth we’ve seen, I guess, especially out of the U.S. East Coast, has facilitated movements in larger ships at the expense of smaller ships.

John Gandolfo

Analyst

Okay. Got it. Thanks for that. That’s all from me John.

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Eirik Haavaldsen with Pareto Securities. Please take your question.

Eirik Haavaldsen

Analyst

Hi, Thanks. Just quickly to begin, there’s been some writing in the press about how Oriental is removing their ships from the – from your pool. Is that changing anything? Is that true? And does it impact at all your operations? And can you also remind us how many ships are now in the pool?

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

We had six ships in the pool from Oriental Energy, and a COA, which was – which both are winding down. And I expect by the end of the next month – by the – or middle even, of March, there will be none anymore. So to the extent that, that gives us – that, that is what it is. It was a good relationship we have with them. I think it was mutually beneficial, but they had their own reasons to want to operate their own ships, one of which was including that they were anxious to trade to Iran, which is something that we are precluded from doing. So going forward, we expect that we’ll maintain the relationship with them but also that we may expand the pool perhaps with some other partners so that we’re – and we’re looking at that quite actively. But we have nothing that I can report to you right now.

Eirik Haavaldsen

Analyst

Okay. And after those six have gone, how many ships are left in the pool? Can you tell me that?

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

At the moment, we – well, after they’ve gone, it will be the 18 ships of Dorian and 4 ships from Phoenix, and there’s a couple of more ships that are chartered in, but it’s something we can give you more details if you like off-line. You could…

Eirik Haavaldsen

Analyst

All right. No worries. Also on the transaction now, perhaps to you, Ted. The value you now placed on the ship is $70 million on Concorde, and it was $65 million on Corsair previously. I mean, that was a few months ago, and the ship is one year younger now, but it’s still a year after as well. The difference there, is there anything in the transaction terms that would explain such a difference, other than just stage difference maybe?

Ted Young

Analyst

Well, don’t forget that, that ship also is a scrubber, which really explains most of the differential. So beyond that, no, the structure is pretty – it’s identical to what we did for Corsair, pretty much identical documentation and advance rate, slightly longer loan profile but same interest rate even though the deal’s a year longer. So Corsair was a 12-year deal. This is a 13-year deal with a 16-year amortization profile in the Corsair, 17.3 on the Concorde. So from our perspective, just reflects – I’d say, relative – the values have kind of held up okay in spite of what we’ve been through as an industry in the last couple of years.

Eirik Haavaldsen

Analyst

Yes. And then you get – I mean, all the proceeds you keep, as you said, $21 million of cash on the balance sheet. Any reason for why that’s not just directly taken into the DNB bridge, is that because you can’t? Or it’s because you want to keep it for – just for – to have it?

Ted Young

Analyst

I think you can read into it, it’s a reflection in our belief that we will be successful in refinancing the DNB bridge in the short term. Right now, the DNB bridge is pretty attractively priced at L plus 2.50%. That’s always an option to apply to pay down the loan, but we think there should be good opportunities to refinance the bridge loan. And we’re making – okay, we’re not making L plus 2.50% on our cash, but we’re doing okay. And you never know what sort of buying opportunities there could be out there, so we generally like to have some dry powder.

Eirik Haavaldsen

Analyst

Completely agree. Thank you guys.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from Greg Wasikowski with Wells Fargo. Please take your question.

Greg Wasikowski

Analyst

Hey guys. I’m on for Webber. How are you?

Ted Young

Analyst

Hi, good. And you.

Greg Wasikowski

Analyst

So just wanted to get your thoughts around removing the Poison Pill and then also on BW’s increased stake. John

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

I think I said in my statement – or actually, maybe it was reported in the press that we have a high regard for BW. I think they’re very smart people. We’re flattered by their interest in us. And the opportunity came, as you know, because of the sale that was not kind of foreseen by HNA, well it might have been foreseen, but it was – came almost suddenly. And they saw an opportunity, and I’m happy for them. As for the Pill, the Pill was a subject of a discussion. It had been placed there a while back for a specific reason, which no longer existed. And it had been scheduled to be removed, and it was removed following a board meeting that we had actually last week in accordance with the decision that was reached at that board meeting.

Greg Wasikowski

Analyst

Okay. Great. Very helpful. So then to, I guess, piggyback off of John’s question from earlier. Do you think that the recent orders that we’ve seen, even though they’re for a dedicated business, do you think they could push out a recovery at all?

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

I was going to give you John Lycouris to answer that, but I find he’s too cautious when it is – and I’m characteristically optimistic, although I don’t want to encourage any more newbuilding. I find that the orders that are being placed, as you said, are either by – for a specific business or by end users. So, so far, I think we are fine. But I think, like in every other sector in the shipping – in the world of shipping, ship – an excess of shipping building capacity does have the potential to destroy a recovery. So we see the industry fundamentals in LPG trade being very positive. It’s increasing. The ton miles are increasing, and I think a restraint in new building is welcome, but I don’t see anything that has happened so far as being worrying.

Greg Wasikowski

Analyst

Okay. Very helpful. That’s it from me. Thanks for your time.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the call back to management for closing remarks.

John Hadjipateras

Analyst

Thank you very much for joining us on the 1st of February. As they say [Foreign Language], and see you next quarter. Thank you. Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today’s conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.