Matthew J. Audette - Chief Financial Officer
Management
Yeah. Chris, so this is Matt. I'll take that one. And I think there's a few things to keep in mind. First, I'm sure you're looking at it, but keep in mind that from a covenant standpoint, it's the credit-defined EBITDA, right. So that's a metric that we negotiated. It's got a little bit of more flexibility than the management defined adjusted EBITDA that we've had. So if you look at the quarter and it's just north of $110 million or $111 million for that metric. Second, I think you know them well because you just stated them, but we did negotiate covenant capacity in the new debt. And the other thing that I would keep in mind is it's a trailing four quarter test, right. So when we entered into the deal we were at 3.7 times. We ended this quarter at 3.8 times. So it's not something that happens overnight. With respect to the quarter, right, so just annualizing the quarter the way you did, I would keep some seasonality items in mind and maybe just starting on the gross profit side, right. So from a payout standpoint, I'm sure you know this well, but the bonus production payout is billed throughout the year, right. So Q4, just by the nature of the payout, is the highest quarter of the year, right. So annualizing that is going to have a disproportionate impact. And then all the things that are highlighted on the expense side that has some seasonality, core G&A with some year-end disclosure. It's our typical year-end service ramp up. On the promotional side, the year-end marketing push and then on the regulatory side, where we expect to decline from here. So there's just a lot of things that I think I would caution in annualizing Q4. But then to your point, just sticking to the environment, right. There's no doubt, as I said a little bit earlier, the commissions and advisory fees are going to be pressured in this environment. But at the same time, there's some natural offsets, right. Transactions would typically be higher. Our cash sweeps would tend to be higher, right. They grew in the fourth quarter. You'll see next week when we release January metrics, where January came out, there's definitely some natural offsets there. Putting all that together, right, the environment's not lost on us. Our covenants and our debt are not lost on us. We need to be dynamic and flexible, making sure we're balancing, focusing investments for growth, but also being efficient and smarter here. So hopefully that gives you a bunch of color and context on how we're thinking about that.