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LPL Financial Holdings Inc. (LPLA)

Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Sat, Oct 28, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good evening, and thank you for joining the Third Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call for LPL Financial Holdings, Inc. Joining the call today are our President and Chief Executive Officer, Dan Arnold; and Chief Financial Officer, Matt Audette. Dan and Matt will offer introductory remarks and then the call will be opened for questions. The company would appreciate if each analyst would limit their questions to one question and one follow-up. The company has posted its earnings press release and supplementary information on the events section of investor.lpl.com. Today’s call may include forward-looking statements, including statements about LPL Financial’s future revenue, expenses and other financial and operating results; business strategies and plans; as well as other opportunities that management foresees. Such forward-looking statements reflect management’s current estimates or beliefs and are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. The company refers listeners to the Safe Harbor disclosures contained in the earnings press release and the company’s latest SEC filings to appreciate those factors that may cause actual financial or operating results or the timing of matters to differ from those contemplated in such forward looking statements. During the call, the company will also discuss non-GAAP financial measures governed by SEC Regulation G. For a reconciliation of such non-GAAP measures to the comparable GAAP figures, please refer to the company’s earnings release, which can be found at the company’s website, investor.lpl.com. With that, I will now turn the call over to Mr. Arnold.

Dan Arnold

Management

Thank you, James, and thank you to everyone for joining our call. Throughout an eventful quarter, we remained focused on our strategic priorities of growing our core business and executing with excellence. Consistent with our focus, we announced and closed our acquisition of NPH, which is an important milestone for us. Today, I look forward to discussing the third quarter with you starting with a summary of our results. Our core business continued to grow in the third quarter with assets increasing to $560 billion, driven by increased net new assets and rising equity markets. Advisory net new assets were the primary driver of net flows, and as a result, 45% of total assets are now in advisory solutions. On our centrally managed advisory platforms, net new assets continued to increase following our previously announced strategic pricing changes. Our advisor count was roughly flat in the third quarter, as recruiting continued to be influenced by advisor uncertainty around the timing of the DOL fiduciary rule. At the same time, production retention was 97% year-to-date prior to the impact of previously discussed client departures. Altogether, we believe our business results reflect the appeal of our model and our advisors’ ability to win in the marketplace. I’ll next turn to our third quarter financial results. Gross profit was up year-over-year and we stayed disciplined on expenses to generate operating leverage. These results led to $0.63 of earnings per share or $0.66 prior to costs related to our NPH acquisition and our September debt refinancing. Matt will review our financial performance in greater depth. As we look forward, we plan to stay focused on driving growth and generating operating leverage. I’d now like to review our approach to our NPH acquisition. Now as a reminder, NPH advisors are onboarding with us in two…

Matthew Audette

Management

Thank you, Dan, and I’m glad to speak with everyone on the call. Overall, we are pleased with our third quarter results as we continue to improve our business fundamentals and financial performance by growing assets and gross profit, staying disciplined on expenses and driving operating leverage. Year-over-year, our assets grew 11%. Gross profit grew 12% and EBITDA grew 30%. We also announced and closed on our acquisition of NPH and are excited for their advisors to join our platform over the next two quarters. And we capitalized on favorable debt markets to borrow an additional $200 million, primarily to support NPH-related costs and refinance some of our debt. As for earnings, we generated $0.63 of GAAP earnings per share in Q3, or $0.66 prior to $0.03 of costs related to our NPH acquisition and debt refinancing. A year ago in Q3, we generated $0.58 of GAAP EPS, or $.042 prior to $0.16 of benefit from tax planning initiatives and account termination fees related to an institutional client departure. So prior to all of those items, our operating results drove EPS up 57% year-over-year. Let’s now go into our Q3 business results in greater depth, starting with brokerage and advisory assets. We finished the quarter at $560 billion, up $18 billion, or 3% sequentially, including $2.9 billion of net new assets. Demand for advisory services continues to grow as net new advisory assets increased to $6.9 billion, including $1.9 billion in conversions from brokerage to advisory. Our net new advisory assets include centrally managed platform inflows that also increase sequentially. Those flows have averaged more than $1 billion per quarter this year, up from small outflows in 2016. These results show that our business is moving from brokerage to advisory and within advisory, more business is moving to our centrally…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Yian Dai with KBW. Your line is open.

Yian Dai

Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. First thing I had was on NPH. And I remember, when you guys announced the acquisition you talked about the cash levels for NPH clients being somewhat lower. And I guess, I’m just wondering how you think about it and what’s a reasonable timeframe to see those cash levels approach the LPL range as those clients onboard, what are the hurdles to getting to that point?

Matthew Audette

Management

Sure, and this is Matt, I’ll start. I mean, I think, a couple of things and you see it in our mix of business as well. I’d highlight first, remember, the mix of their business is more brokerage versus advisory, which is going to have their cash levels a little bit lower. And then two, I think, when you look across our industry overall, clients in general are really engaged in the markets, so even looking at our numbers at 5.1% are relatively low by historic standards, which would put us around the 6% range. I’d highlight it was flat quarter-over-quarter. But I think it’s client engagement is a big one and the mix of brokerage business is the other, and those are probably two things I’d highlight.

Yian Dai

Analyst

Okay, great. That’s a good color. And in your prepared remarks when you talked about the 350 full-time employees and some of the temp staff, I’m just wondering what level of retention you’re basing that on. Is it within that range that where you have the contingent payment?

Dan Arnold

Management

Yes, this is Dan. I think as we contemplated and constructed our plan, we obviously shared with you the range of potential spectrum of retention that we were thinking about. So those numbers are just consistent with that plan. I think, as Matt mentioned earlier, to the degree that you refine exactly what your retention rates will be, that number could potentially fluctuate up or down associated with that.

Yian Dai

Analyst

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Doug Mewhirter with SunTrust. Your line is open.

Douglas Mewhirter

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

Hi, good evening. Just a first quick – just a quick numbers clarification. The – your financial assistance, Matt, what did you say that you estimated the initial financial assistance for the first two – those two waves of advisors would be? You said about half of it would be in cash, but others would be loans, which would be amortized?

Matthew Audette

Management

Yes. So that was in reference to the approximately $100 million of financial assistance. So similar to Dan’s comments on the headcount right now, that’s our, call it, our middle of the road number and it could be above or below that. And – but it was in reference to that $100 million.

Douglas Mewhirter

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

Okay. Thanks for that. And my follow-up maybe for Dan. It’s sort of two-part, but the same subject on advisor productivity. I noticed the productivity for advisor ticked down. And also I noticed your sales commissions dropped off quite a bit and it looked like it was across the Board, wasn’t any one particular category. And I was just wondering related to both of those questions, just comment on advisor productivity in general or commission productivity.

Dan Arnold

Management

Yes, and I think there’s a small correlation there that obviously advisor productivity could be impacted relative to the amount of sales commissions that’s being done. That productivity number also is – doesn’t pull through in an apples-to-apples way the hybrid RIA advisory revenue, because we don’t count that as our revenue. That shows up, as you know, as more of an attachment revenue or the net revenue. And so the productivity numbers are a bit impaired or influenced, if you will, by not including that advisory revenue at a gross amount. But I think the shift in the productivity numbers, as you say, it has a higher correlation with the sales commissions. And the sales commissions being down weren’t a surprise to us. I think, if you look at it, there’s probably three primary drivers on the year-on-year change. The first is just that ongoing secular trend from brokerage to advisory. And where appropriate for clients, we certainly want to be supportive and helpful in our advisors in making that transition, so we’ve tried to simplify and automate that process in that support. And again, where it’s appropriate for the investor, but that’s one driver. The second one is the standardization of commissions that went on across variable, fixed annuities and alternative investments. And again, that has a year-on-year impact, where you see that showing up, then you’re seeing a shift in the economics from less sales and more trails. And so I think that’s part of that year-on-year impact. And then finally, the third one is one that’s maybe more unique to us where some of the previously announced client departures that we had had a much higher mix of brokerage commissions and that would tend to create a headwind year-on-year. I think, if you look at it from a sequential basis from Q2 to Q3, that is really just the typical seasonality we see from coming in out of tax season or IRA season in to Q3. And I think the trend this year was very similar to the downward trend we’ve seen in prior years. Does that answer your question?

Douglas Mewhirter

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is open.

Okay, thanks. Yes, that’s very helpful and that’s all my question.

Dan Arnold

Management

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Steven Chubak with Nomura Instinet. Your line is open.

Steven Chubak

Analyst · Nomura Instinet. Your line is open.

Hey, good afternoon, guys. So…

Dan Arnold

Management

Good afternoon.

Steven Chubak

Analyst · Nomura Instinet. Your line is open.

…I wanted to start off with a question on just rate and deposit beta expectations. If we look more holistically at just some of the rating deposit dynamics that we’ve seen in the retail brokerage space from some of your peers that have already reported, it seems that more of the benefits being passed along to clients, whether it’s in the form of higher deposit rates or lower money market fees. I’m wondering if you’re seeing any signs of intensifying competition on either deposits or money market. And maybe just some indications as to what sort of actions you might take to potentially combat some of those efforts.

Matthew Audette

Management

Yes, I can start this, Steven, this is Matt. I mean, I think when we look at our – specific to our cash product, right, it’s in general, it’s right insensitive, it’s not unique to us. I think when you look at suite products, in general, they are about the operational convenience and availability to invest as opposed to a client putting money in there specifically for rates. I think second, we – the first few rate hikes where interest rates didn’t move, in the most recent one they did, including us. So I think you’re definitely starting to see some of that rate sensitivity. I think when you think about going forward from here, our working assumption is a 50% beta or pricing coefficient, and we think it will likely be, or possibly be a little bit better than that. I think when you compare that across other folks in these type of products, I think, the vast majority are assuming something at that or even lower. So I think we’re pretty conservative in our view on the 50%. And maybe the final point I’d make is, it’s not a certain pricing for all balances. Typically larger balances are more sensitive and the rates that get passed through on those are higher in general just due to the nature of the product. So I think, we feel pretty good about where we’re positioned.

Steven Chubak

Analyst · Nomura Instinet. Your line is open.

All right. Thanks for all that color, Matt. And just one more for me, it’s – maybe for Dan, just a broader question on the growth strategy. I’d say that one of the more interesting discussion points that we’ve had with investors post the NPH announcement has really been this discussion around the potential for rollups to become a bigger part of the growth narrative at LPL. And I’m wondering if you view that growth strategy as something right for LPL to take advantage of, just taking a step back, whether it’s better economics at a self-clearing entity and what appears to be a very fragmented broker dealer space, is there an opportunity that you view as sufficiently compelling and maybe providing the best return on capital, or are you more looking to pursue that strategy because of the risks associated with M&A?

Dan Arnold

Management

Yes, that question certainly makes as a good one. So I would start right back at our strategy where we shared with you, we are very focused on growing in our core markets and we see opportunity obviously to drive that through both organic growth in inorganic ways, such as M&A. And I think that we approached the NPH transaction with very much a plan to make sure that we understand, that we learn, that we refine, that we are constantly working on how we improve that overall effort all in the spirit of that it could potentially be an ongoing opportunity. And you mix, as you say, a world that’s getting more complex and tougher and challenging and scale tends to be more and more important in environments like that with a fragmented environment. And if we create a strong muscle around this overall effort and process then we think those things could add up to potential opportunity as we go forward.

Steven Chubak

Analyst · Nomura Instinet. Your line is open.

Great. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Bill Katz with Citigroup. Your line is open.

Bill Katz

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open.

Okay. Thanks so much. Just coming back to deposit beta just from the other side. I actually heard a slightly different message from some of the online brokers. I think, they are sort of coming in a bit lower in terms of their core deposit betas versus maybe some of the wire house oriented in their work channels. So when I look at that 50% deposit beta, that feels awfully conservative. Is that just sort of based on your own level of conservativism? Is there something very unique to your platform that would make your client base a bit more sensitive to rates? Just trying to get a better handle on why such a high percentage.

Matthew Audette

Management

Yes, Bill, I mean, I think the – where interest rates go and where market dynamics go nobody knows, right? So I think you see a range of views on there. I think you’ve heard us, including today, every time we highlight this 50% beta emphasize that we think it will be better than that. So I think you’re hearing that well. I think getting into the nuance of whether it will be 40% or 30%, I think that’s hard for us to know. So I think that’s our perspective. We do think it’s conservative, but again you never know, so that’s our planning assumption.

Dan Arnold

Management

Yes. And Bill, I think, the only color I would add to that, and Matt referenced it earlier is historically speaking, these rates are different potentially across the size of the cash balance or the deposit in one’s account. And I think you’ve heard us describe before the nature of our account balances are a lot of small accounts that historically have not been as sensitive to interest rates or competition as larger accounts. And so I think, as Matt said, it’s uncertain, there is a lot of moving parts. But I think those are sort of the structural foundational elements that sort of shape our thinking.

Bill Katz

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open.

Okay, that’s helpful. And just a follow-up. I was looking for your supplements and I know there’s a lot of moving parts, but I was looking specifically at page 15. And I’m just so surprised that we are not seeing a little more lift in the gross profit ROA at this point in time. And I certainly appreciate some of the component pieces have changed here within brokerage, et cetera. But given where we are in terms of the rate cycle, given what seems to be a pretty healthy market backdrop and the – what’s been a very strong operating leverage story in terms of the core G&A, I’m just surprised we are not seeing a bit of improvement there. Are we at a more natural inflection point, or am I just missing something in terms of that sort of thought process on that incremental asset coming in the door?

Matthew Audette

Management

Yes, Bill, this is Matt. I think, we’ve got a few decks out there, but I think you’re in the investor presentation update on the operating leverage side. And I highlight a few things, right? First and foremost on us deliberating operating leverage, which is the difference between the gross profit ROA and operating expense. And I know you saw it. But just to emphasize below that, it is increasing and it’s been increasing for the last three years, so we think that’s good. I think, when you look at the revenues themselves with the gross profit ROA, there is a couple of things to keep in mind. So the trends that we’ve talked through for a while that Dan has emphasized as well, from a brokerage to advisory trend and even within brokerage, the sales to trails conversion, those things manifest themselves in a decline and short-term revenues and then build in more recurring revenue over time. So I think you see that as part of the driver and I think the sales decline this quarter is a great example of that. So I think, we feel good about it. I think, we feel good about the long-term growth opportunities. But I think we feel best about matching our investments and spending in those periods and delivering the operating leverage growth that you see on the bottom of that page.

Bill Katz

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open.

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Conor Fitzgerald with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Conor Fitzgerald

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Dan, just one for you. I know you don’t have a better read on the hard numbers for November on the transition front. But just wondering if you could give us an update around what you’re hearing from the NPH advisors in conversations and how they’re finding your value proposition?

Dan Arnold

Management

Yes. So, appreciate the fact that certainly we’re trying to get better numbers to share with you and be a bit more specific about that at Investor Day. That said, happy to give you some color leading into that. So it’s natural anytime you have an M&A scenario where it’s a catalyst for advisors to consider their options. And I think we’ve shared that before. And so we anticipated this to be a competitive environment. And so when we created the deal structure, obviously it was influenced with that anticipation in both the creating of the risk sharing within NPH, as well as trying to create a compelling value proposition for the NPH advisors. And again, I think we feel good about the combination of the things that experience tells us really matter to them, which is the transition process, getting from point A to B, certainly, the ongoing economics, to their business. And then finally, the capabilities that we may offer them in a world that either lowers their calls, drives efficiency or helps them grow. And then finally, the financial assistance. And I will say that, look, this a good property, good advisors and we certainly see many advisors who are excited about joining us and see that the opportunity of the capabilities, especially in the advisory area and the technology platforms of which to leverage to both drive efficiency and growth in their practices. So we see a really good positive response. Of course, the flip side of that is, we didn’t expect all NPH advisors to join us, so on the other side of that, not are all a good fit. And some may not be strategically aligned and wish to use all of our full set of capabilities. I think, perhaps in other cases you might find one with a certain preference, such as perhaps a smaller firm. And then there’s some cases, where competitors have often offered financial terms that just don’t meet our thresholds. And I think what we’ve tried to do through this entire process in all cases is to maintain our financial discipline and our risk standards as we thought about the opportunity, just like we would do in typical recruiting. All that said, we feel good that there’s a compelling value proposition that’s attractive to many of those advisors, and we look forward to providing more information to you at Investor Day.

Conor Fitzgerald

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

That’s helpful color. Thanks. And then just one on the sponsorship revenues up 1% quarter-over-quarter versus total assets of 3%. Just wondering what the dynamics were this quarter and just how we should think about that kind of tracking versus asset levels going forward.

Matthew Audette

Management

Sure, Conor. So I look at it in two parts. I mean, you’ve got revenue share in there, which is typically or mostly associated with the brokerage side of the business. In between the conversions from brokerage to advisory and some of the outflows that we’ve seen over the last few quarters, that’s driving that piece of other asset-based revenue down. And then the offset to that is on the recordkeeping side, which is primarily advisory-driven, so that’s growing in excess, as you can tell, with a 1% increase with the decline in brokerage, right, and that’s connected to our – to advisory growth and especially to growth on the corporate platform. So those are the two dynamics there just the brokerage offsetting that advisory growth.

Conor Fitzgerald

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

It’s helpful. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Devin Ryan with JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Devin Ryan

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Great. Good afternoon. Dan and Matt, how are you guys?

Matthew Audette

Management

Hey, good afternoon.

Dan Arnold

Management

Good.

Devin Ryan

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Good. In the investor presentation, I think on Slide 16, you say lower near-term expense trajectory. And I just want to make sure I understand that. Is that just a comment on the tighter guidance range this year, or is there some comment on expenses remaining low? I just want to make sure I understand that. And then maybe a bigger picture on expenses, as you think about starting to budget for next year, how do you guys feel like you are in technology investment? I see the slide kind of showing the pretty big step up in CapEx in technology, which is good to see. But is that an area where you feel like it’s going to be accelerating relative to other investments, or how do you feel like that’s an impact with trajectory over the next year?

Dan Arnold

Management

Yes, sure. I mean, think on the outlook in the investor slide, there is no hidden message. It’s specific to the 710 to 715. I think on the technology front, I think, our thought and philosophy here is unchanged and will likely be the same in 2018, which is when we think about investing for organic growth, I mean, the two main areas we see are investing in recruiting and in technology development, primarily for development at capabilities for our advisors. And I think the slide you’re referring to, I think, has us up in the mid-teens growth per year. And I don’t – we haven’t landed our plans for 2018 yet, but I think there’s that general trend is a good way to think about where we are focused, just because we see the value we see in investing in technology for our advisors and their clients.

Devin Ryan

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Got it. Okay, very helpful. And then just a follow-up here. The FA headcount was essentially unchanged with last quarter. It was a little bit softer than my model and I know there’s a number of moving parts in there. But is that just a function of not a lot of movement in the industry, or is the gross number different, and I’m just kind of curious why movement may be stagnant or what you’re seeing right now and just kind of bigger picture on just the recruiting backlog currently outside of what’s going on with NPH?

Dan Arnold

Management

Yes. So let me – this is Dan. Let me take a stab at that for you. So, hey, if you look back, I think, over the last 12 months, right, you saw a good solid recruiting in Q4 and Q1, a bit softer in Q2 and Q3 tends to look a bit more like Q2. And I think the biggest driver that we see there is the continued uncertainty around the DOL rule. And that tends to reduce the amount of advisors in motion or movement, especially what we’ve seen in the financial institutions and larger practices. I think we continue to see good flow of advisors out of employee-based models to the independent model. So that’s going on underneath that. I think, as we look at the combination of our capabilities and we continue to focus on growth and organic growth and recruiting being an important element of that, we think our model continues to be appealing. And that sets us up well to think about our long-term outlook for expanding the number of advisors through recruiting. I think your final question around is there some NPH overlap into our overall recruiting effort. In the short-run, we treated those items as two different initiatives and we tried to thus separate the resources associated with executing on both of those to mitigate much of the disruption as we could. Now the leadership team that’s overseeing those efforts is our recruiting leadership, who is over indexed some of their time in the last couple of months to NPH, so that might have some minimal or marginal impact in the short run. But we think with the acquisition of NPH ultimately becomes a stimulus to increase recruiting as it just expands our incremental capacity to invest.

Devin Ryan

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Makes sense, great. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Chris Harris with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Chris Harris

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Thanks. So you guys have had gross margin up around 12% over the last couple of quarters. And I’m wondering what you think your growth rate would be if we are in an environment of flat rates and flat equity markets?

Matthew Audette

Management

Yes, Chris. So we don’t give guidance there. I mean, I think I go back to the earlier question on op margin, it’s really about what we are driving to grow their business outside of interest rates. So thinks like brokerage to advisory conversions. The investments we are making in the advisory platform. Aligning our policies, as Dan talked a lot about today to match up that advisory platform, both the corporate platform and the hybrid platform with what folks need in the market. I think those are all the areas that if we are successful over time are going to drive returns and increase returns in gross profit in addition to increases in interest rates or market levels overall, and of course, net new assets themselves. So that’s what I highlight, nothing else.

Dan Arnold

Management

No, I think that’s right. We continue to stay focused, as Matt said, on driving organic growth, exit that either market tailwind or headwind. And I think we’ve described how we typically do that and there’s a variety, as you say, of moving parts inside of that. But if we can continue to grow net new assets and improve and enhance the ROA on those assets, then we will execute on that effort.

Chris Harris

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Okay. A bigger picture question for you. You’ve made a lot of changes in the platform over the last couple of years. Are there any other major initiatives left at this point, or do you guys think you’ve done most of the heavy lifting?

Matthew Audette

Management

So maybe there’s a couple of platforms that you’re referring to. So perhaps the first one is the operating platform, which we refer to as client works. Is that what you are referring to?

Chris Harris

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Yes, I just meant the overall the organization.

Matthew Audette

Management

Got it.

Chris Harris

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

So whether you’ve made significant pricing changes, the upgraded technology and so on?

Dan Arnold

Management

Got it, sorry about that. So, look, I think, we continue to invest in the business where we see strategic opportunity. So we are always looking at the environment and looking for trends, issues, challenges, opportunities and where we can be most thoughtful about evolving our capabilities to capitalize on those opportunities. And so price is always one of those considerations. It could be new services that may drive new revenue streams. It could be investing in technology to drive new capabilities, as Matt said earlier, to help position our advisors to win. And so I think, you will see our effort on a go-forward basis as it has been in the last couple of years to continue to enhance the model and capitalize on the opportunity in the marketplace. We think there is a great opportunity with the growing demand for financial advice to continue to position and help our advisors step in and capitalize on that opportunity. We think the independent objective advice is the best approach to doing that. So we think our model has lots of merits as well to attract new advisors to it. So I hope that answers your question. But from a big picture standpoint, you should expect us to continue to invest in our capability set to try to capitalize on that opportunity.

Chris Harris

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Got it. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is open.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · William Blair. Your line is open.

Hey, guys, good afternoon.

Dan Arnold

Management

Good afternoon.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · William Blair. Your line is open.

On the transaction and fees line, I just want to dig in there why a decline $5 million quarter-over-quarter in Q3. I know there was the $5 million or so of one-time help in Q2 from Alt. There was $6 million, I think, roughly benefit from Focus in Q3. We also know kind of the online brokers that their darts were flat to up in Q3. So I guess, all else equal, I would have thought that line would have been closer to flat than down $5 million?

Matthew Audette

Management

Yes, you summarized it pretty well, Chris. I mean, I think, the only item you didn’t have there is more, and Dan covered it a little bit earlier on the IRA side.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · William Blair. Your line is open.

Yes.

Matthew Audette

Management

So seasonality for IR fees and things is really in the first-half of the year and especially in Q2, and you would typically see a decline in that in Q3. So that would be the third piece and the other two big ones you highlighted, the Focus conference and the AI custody fee in the prior quarter.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · William Blair. Your line is open.

Okay, fair enough. And then regarding this whole move to require new advisors to put $50 million on the platform, could you just walk us through the thought process there, the puts and takes? On one hand, there is potentially increased attrition from OSJs, on the other hand you get better economics from new advisors. So just how did you come up with that solution? Thanks.

Matthew Audette

Management

Yes, so, yes, good question. So I think, maybe the question is, hey, what’s our strategy or how are we thinking about that, right? And so with context, we – as I mentioned earlier, we offer both a corporate and hybrid platforms, which is a competitive advantage, it enables us to serve a greater diversity of advisers. And that’s a good thing and hence we’re committed to continue to investing and growing both platforms. I think as such, the – there you have to pay attention to also the growing trends out in the marketplace. One that we see is the complexity in the regulatory world is driving a greater demand for risk management services and support. And of course, our corporate platform provides those capabilities. In fact, a little more color on that. Some of the advisors that originally went hybrid back three and four years ago are now because of the change in the risk management elements of their business are now in the process of moving back to the corporate platform and we expect some of that trend to continue. And so in that spirit, I think, we were focused on two key principles with this update. One was to align our offering to what is available elsewhere in the marketplace. And the second is positioning ourselves to allocate our capital in line with our economics. So beginning in 2018, advisors under $50 million of advisory assets will join the corporate platform. Advisors that have over $50 million have the choice of joining either the corporate platform or the hybrid platform. And then we’ll – secondly, we’ll provide greater transition assistance rate on corporate advisory and bring our hybrid TA rates down in line with the marketplace. And we believe these changes will position our advisors to best capitalize on the market opportunity going forward, where we help them both in terms of serving their existing clients to give them more time to grow their practices. And secondly, where we will continue to help and support them recruit new advisors to their businesses. So that’s the overall why we did this. We actually thus think in the long-term this will actually help our recruiting volumes. And certainly, as you said, it will create higher yield on those recruiting classes as we get a better return, because we provide more services on the corporate platform.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · William Blair. Your line is open.

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ken Worthington with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Ken Worthington

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Hi, good afternoon. Actually just a follow-up on the transition, I’m sorry, transaction line question. The seasonality you guys mention in IRA fees, hasn’t that always been the case? Why so unusually pronounced in 3Q 2017 versus the second-half of prior years?

Matthew Audette

Management

Yes, Ken, I wouldn’t say, it’s so pronounced. And I think when you and maybe when you look at the year-over-year, that looks like it’s pronounced. But a reminder, the Q3 2016 had some – around $4 million in termination fees associated with a client departure in that quarter. So I wouldn’t say, it was abnormally larger than we’ve seen in the past.

Ken Worthington

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Okay, fair enough. And just on the, let’s see, the custom clearing providers, that number was down again. Just talk about what the outlook there is? Is there sort of a light at the end of the tunnel on the advisor’s number there? And then how profitable is that sort of segment for you? My impression was, it wasn’t very profitable, but maybe a little help there too.

Matthew Audette

Management

Yes, I think on the trends, I mean, I wouldn’t read anything into it. We’ve got a large client there and a couple smaller ones and we’ve had on the smaller side some movement out that has shown those numbers, or had those numbers come down. I wouldn’t translate that into any profitability concerns, it’s really just some noise in those numbers and it’s really one large client that drives that.

Ken Worthington

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open.

But I assume growing that number is better than shrinking that number. Is there an explanation as to why it’s shrinking? And this quarter may be in just the trend has been shrinking there.

Dan Arnold

Management

Yes, this Dan. I think to the degree that number is really driven off of the prioritization of that client and their strategy with their own broker dealer. And whether or not they are in a mode of expanding and then growing it through recruiting could influence that. There could be some noise in that with smaller advisors being transitioned out, et cetera. So there is some probably bigger drivers of that associated with their strategy. I think what we continue to see and work on is, enhancing the assets per advisor that we serve in that area and helping them continue to evolve their practices where they are leveraging more advisory and brokerage solutions in their overall efforts. And that’s how we see the opportunity of growing and expanding that overall relationship. And we continue to strategize with them about how we might support and help them with respect to any number of different growth initiatives they may be contemplating. But at the end of the day, they are the ones that would decide what initiatives they prioritize and invest in.

Ken Worthington

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Okay, fair enough. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our final question comes from Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Michael Cyprys

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking the question. Just curious if you could talk about your perspective on advisor payouts or payouts to new advisors that are coming onboard. Just how that is evolving? And if you were to look at three years how things may look different in three years from today? How you see this evolving.

Dan Arnold

Management

Yes. So let me try to answer that for you. And if I don’t answer it completely, please add on to it, but – your question. But look, so I think that that number is influenced by the mix of business that you do, so your advisory business versus a brokerage business. I think, given the positioning of our payout grids, we’ve been very competitive and kind of an industry leader with respect to both the payout we provide in exchange for the value we deliver on that payout. And we’ve seen stability in those numbers other than some of the mix shift that has occurred. I think where you’ve seen us think about pricing as a strategic lever is more where the flows are going and that would be in the advisory area in the advisory world. And where we’ve tried to potentially bring down the cost associated with our centrally managed platforms to make sure that that is a great trade for the advisor for those incremental services, for the incremental payment that they make for them and the return they get on that in terms of freeing up their time to do other more productive things. And I think it’s fair for us to continue to think about pricing in that way, how can we continue to bring down the cost of our corporate advisory platform to enable those advisors to leverage more of those services and position themselves both to provide greater investment content more efficiently to their clients at a lower cost. And so that’s how I would think both about the stability of the overall payout and how it may be influenced by potential pricing in the area of advisory platforms. I hope that helps you.

Michael Cyprys

Analyst

Great. Thanks. And just as a follow-up question, I think earlier you mentioned new services and capabilities that could make sense to add to your platform to help your advisors. Just curious if you could help flesh that out in terms of what types of services, what type of capabilities might make sense?

Dan Arnold

Management

Yes. So they would be focused in two areas. One is, how do we help improve the investor experience, right? At the end of the day, we’ve got to make sure that we provide them the capabilities that they need to solve their problems at the service levels they expect all at a competitive price. And so I think, with respect to the investor experience, that can be anything from new statements that we delivered and provided, as an example, in the second-half of the year and we continue to evolve those all the way to how do we enhance and improve the digital experience that’s delivered to the end investor, or that could show up in the form of products and platforms like lower costs for our centrally managed platforms, adding new investment content to those platforms, or even the changes we made in the SMA platforms by bringing in a lot of low-cost investment content and options to them. So those are examples of where we would continue to invest to help the advisor position themselves to win with the investor. And I think, with respect to the advisor, it’s anything that we can do to lower the cost of their practice to increase and enhance the scalability of their business or to support or help them grow it. So you could look at any variety of things, like a suite of virtual services. A great example would be the virtual admin that we rolled out in – at Focus this year, which is intended to cut in half the cost of an admin for them that gives them a productive resource that knows our systems, takes friction out of the system and provides some technology interface to create a personal experience around that. That’s a great example of a new service that would lower their cost and create scalability in their practice. So again, you’ll see that with overlay trading capabilities, evolving our advisory platforms. You’ll see it with new technology that will drive straight through processing and again reduce the amount of effort and time they spend on administrative work. So not to belabor the point, but those are examples of how we think about that.

Michael Cyprys

Analyst

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude our Q&A portion for the call. So I would like to turn it back over to Mr. Arnold for closing remarks.

Dan Arnold

Management

Yes, thank you. And I just wanted to thank, everyone, for taking the time to join us this afternoon. And as a reminder, our Investor and Analyst Day is on November 8, and we look forward to speaking with you then. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today’s conference. Thank you very much for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a wonderful evening.