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Lattice Semiconductor Corporation (LSCC)

Q1 2011 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 21, 2011

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Leonard and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Lattice Semiconductor first quarter 2011 conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the call over to David Pasquale with Global IR Partners. You may begin. David Pasquale – Global IR Partners: Thank you, operator. Welcome everyone to Lattice Semiconductor’s first quarter 2011 results conference call. Joining us from the company today are Mr. Darin Billerbeck, the company’s President and CEO, Mr. Joe Bedewi Lattice’s CFO. Both executives will be available for Q&A after the prepared comments. If you have not yet received a copy of today’s results release please email Global IR Partners using lscc@globalirpartners.com or you can get a copy of the release off of the Investor Relations section of Lattice’s website. Before we begin the formal remarks, I will review the Safe Harbor statements. It is our intention that this call will comply with the requirements of SEC Regulation FD. This call includes and constitutes the company’s official guidance for the second quarter of fiscal 2011. If at anytime after this call we communicate any material changes to this guidance, we intend that such updates will be done using a public forum such as a press release or publicly announced conference call. The matters that we discuss today other than historical information includes forward-looking statements relating to our future financial performance and other performance expectations. Investors are cautioned that forward-looking statements are neither promises nor guarantees. They involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Some of…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Richard Shannon with Northland Capital. Richard Shannon – Northland Capital: Hi guys. Congratulations on this very nice numbers here in the first quarter. Guess I got a couple of financial related questions. I guess first on the gross margins, it seem like if we compare the fourth quarter to first, both quarters had some pretty strong benefit from your mainstream kind of products, we had a very divergence pattern in gross margins. I kind of curious what gives you the confidence that you’re still seeing in that range and maybe understand a little bit about the mix that’s driving it in each direction in those two quarters would be great to know. Thanks.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Northland Capital

Yeah, so let’s talk about that a little bit. So, as you know mix affects our gross margin significantly. This quarter we had an actual, a very large percentage going to consumer which is one of the markets we are going into, plus our ECP3 product line, right, which is again our FPGA new entrant products are usually lower margin than our mature products as you know that well Richard. So the bottom line is that we are going to expect that we won’t ship as much in consumer. We got a pretty good pop this quarter. We won’t be shipping as much next quarter. But all in all it’s really going to come down to us controlling really the cost structure so that the new products and also some of the consumer products have lower cost structure that we have to be able to keep the margins up in those high 50s and 60% range. So we feel confident about the product mix that we have next quarter associated with that and then the associated gross margins that we are forecasting. Richard Shannon – Northland Capital: Okay, fair enough. Next question also on the financial side on OpEx, it’s got a number for the second quarter which I guess I’m kind of looking at it stripping out the restructuring and still a number certainly elevated from the levels we saw in 2010. You mentioned that you don’t expect any major mask costs. I guess how should we think about this going beyond the second quarter? We are going to see numbers that get at least into the mid 30s, low 30s or how should we think about this?

Joe Bedewi

Analyst · Northland Capital

From the operational perspective?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Northland Capital

OpEx. Richard Shannon – Northland Securities: Yeah, OpEx, yes.

Joe Bedewi

Analyst · Northland Capital

That’s good question. As we go forward, w are thinking in the mid 30s range is about, where we expected to be through this year. There are some transitional elements going on this year as we do the restructuring. So, you are going to see some, I’d say some lumpiness in those numbers as we transition. Richard Shannon – Northland Securities: Okay.

Joe Bedewi

Analyst · Northland Capital

But it’s going to be in that range. You won’t see any good savings this year. The restructuring really wasn’t designed to do a cost savings exercise. It was more of a strengthened our operational capabilities and efficiencies exercise, but we do expect to see benefits of that as we move into 2012. Richard Shannon – Northland Securities: Okay. Can you describe any more detail these transitions and improvements in anyway, they help us to understand I’m assuming you’re thinking that you are spending a little bit money this year and hopefully we will leverage that to a greater extent in 2012 then?

Joe Bedewi

Analyst · Northland Capital

Are you talking about the restructuring? Richard Shannon – Northland Securities: More on the R&D side, it seems like more of the OpEx figure related to the R&D side so I’m kind of curious. If we kind of understand some of those transitions?

Joe Bedewi

Analyst · Northland Capital

Yeah, I mean the transitions are pretty simple. We are trying to go to more of the single US side to the low cost geography and to do that it means you are going to have to doubled up a little bit on the competency as you move forward right, because you have certain competencies that existed one-side that don’t exist to another and so we are having to do is build those competencies and get center of excellences aligned to that strategy. So, we’re really doing a lot of that and so this year is really that transition, where you have to spend a little bit more money to put it in place, but anymore very efficient later on, because we don’t have the structural issues that we have today. Richard Shannon – Northland Securities: Okay, all right. That makes sense. Maybe two quick questions are remaining from me. Darin, what’s your view on in general the communications market in 2011; obviously, you had a good start of the year with nice sequential growth rate. Any thoughts in terms of the spending plans that might drive improved results throughout the rest of the year specifically on wireless?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Northland Capital

Yeas, I mean I’ve seen a lot of different dialogue out there on the web about China crashing and everybody crashing. We haven’t seen that today as far as our demand. The India built-up sales team to be solid and I really think there is probably a couple of different market dynamics going on. You have the midstream market like the 3G market I’d call it today and those are the markets, where people have ARPUs of $4, $8, $10 that are going to go to 4G anytime soon. And then you have the high end 4G market, which what I can see Verizon and others already marketing that in the US. So, I think you really have to look at those markets separately. As I said our products are more in that midstream 3G moving to 4G long-term. So, we may not be seeing the impact others do as they build out some of the, I want to call it emerging economies and so the emerging countries that are coming up with 3G. I think we’re seeing more of that, but we’ll see. Again I think it’s anybody’s call on that second half of the year if things continue to roll. Richard Shannon – Northland Securities: Okay. Fair enough. I appreciate those thoughts and I’ll jump online. Thanks guys.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Northland Capital

Thanks, Rich.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Sanjay Devgan with Morgan Stanley. Sanjay Devgan – Morgan Stanley: Thank you so much for taking my question. Just a quick question on your FPGAs, the ECP3 product, you talked about the kind of the midstream 3G kind of in the, it gave us a price range there. I was wondering as we transition to LTE-based solution. Can you talk about the content opportunity per box that you have there, kind of going forward relative to what’s you have today?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Sanjay Devgan with Morgan Stanley

Yeah, I’ll talk a little bit about. So, the fact that our ECP3 product fits within 3G, it doesn’t excluded from the 4G LTE market, right, because there is a lot of opportunities. Remember we play in that last mile of the infrastructure, right. So we’re not in the backhaul and we are in this. So, we play with quite a few different products. We play with our ECP3 product. We play with our XO2 product and XO, and we also play with our power management product. And in the new piece of block approach is where they have more of the distributing wireless networks. There is some multiple of those products for piece of box. So there is a lot of opportunity for us to grow and even within the 4G stuff there is different versions of 4G some use very high-end products, we don’t play in and others use more of a moderate product mix that we do plan. So we have three to four different product types that play in that. It’s not ECP3 only. It’s XO and XO2 within all of those different architectures. So we feel comfortable about the product mix that we have in that area and we feel confident that we’re well positioned from that mid density on down. Sanjay Devgan – Morgan Stanley: And then I guess just as a follow-up, sticking on with the LTE theme, there has been a lot of discussion – one of the benefits, reason why FPGA seemed to be taking share from ASICs is just a programmability that allows kind of in a hardware solution. But I was wondering if you could talk to kind of the guys with multi-core solutions they’ve also talked about kind of going after this LTE market and if you just at a high level talk about the trade-outs between the FPGA versus a multi-core solution and your thoughts in each of that, you could share there will be appreciated.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Sanjay Devgan with Morgan Stanley

Yes, remember that we’re not the processing part in a lot of these applications. Right, there is a lot of applications that do have like backhaul and other things have monster microprocessors and that are driving a lot of the data and the infrastructure and we’re playing more in that extension of that out to the wireless network or the wireline network, both of those, right. So I think in our particular area, it’s probably not these monster microprocessors that we’re competing again. It’s more really the functionality and it’s called reliability and reasons where if they have an upgrade or they want to do something with FPGA, given the ability to reprogram on the fly and there are a lot of things you could do in the field. Some of these other systems, I think there will be a complementary systems within each part of the designs being there will be high performance processing that have those when you have people like us that do this transceiver receiver stuff that it will still be in the system. So there could be a shift over time if it gets very high-end, but I think you are always going to see the extensions of that being FPGA. Sanjay Devgan – Morgan Stanley: Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Ruben Roy with Pacific Crest Securities. Ruben Roy – Pacific Crest Securities: Darin, I was wondering if you could comment a bit more on the customer feedback that you got around safety stock buying. Can you iron that out into or flush that out in terms of if that’s related to any specific end market or how that’s working out and do you see that carrying on safety stock buying into Q2?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Ruben Roy with Pacific Crest Securities

Yeah, I mean, it’s a hard one to call, because I think what happened was we saw a couple of customers that were very concerned. It’s usually the larger customers are very concerned about their supply, and so some of the buying patterns that we saw were huge orders all the way. So if you ask me turns versus backlog that the turns are probably going to go down, because everybody is ordering way ahead of time to ensure they have their, they get what they need for their supply. We’ve talked to a couple of our larger customers and have those discussions and don’t worry we have plenty of supply. And let’s not forget that we came out of Q4 with inventory with a slight softening in some of the markets. So we were buffered because of that. But what we don’t want to see is that somebody come in and do this rash buy and then you end up with a giant quarter and the next quarter is really small and then because they don’t know what inventory they really need. So what we’re trying to do is work with the run rates that people have, work with the lineary that we have, and then make judgments based on what they really need, what demand they have from an end customer. We are not trying to manage anything. We are just trying to manage to ensure that we don’t get an over-demand in certain situations, further situations. So we are working closely with the big guys and that’s most of the difficulty we have today. I think the moderate and small players aren’t being as irrational, I would say, as some of the bigger customers. And the irrational stuff is normal right, because some of the products that they have in their end products are constrained and then we know that, so we’re trying to balance that and also see who else is in the systems that we’re in. Ruben Roy – Pacific Crest Securities: So, thank you for that. And is there an assumption for some safety stock in your guidance that you provided for Q2?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Ruben Roy with Pacific Crest Securities

Yeah, I mean, Q2 we’ll see a little bit. I would argue that we’ll see a little bit of that. But who knows because we saw a little bit of it in Q1, which we called out, right we said hey we saw $1 to $2 million that maybe should have been in Q2, that could have been in – that is in Q1. I think as after you have all the discussions and people recognize, it maybe the situation for some suppliers isn’t as bad, I think some of that will pull back. So I think this quarter probably in the first half, you will start seeing people say, okay, these guys are shipping linear to us, I’m not going to worry about them as a supplier. So we might see a little bit, but I don’t think it’s going to be material. Ruben Roy – Pacific Crest Securities: Thank you. And in terms of lead times, your comment in the prepared remarks around no impact to customer deliveries or lead times was that specific to Japan or I mean the broader Lattice portfolio of products, you’ve not seen any changes to lead times Q1 versus Q4?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Ruben Roy with Pacific Crest Securities

That’s correct, the entire company. Ruben Roy – Pacific Crest Securities: Okay.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Ruben Roy with Pacific Crest Securities

It’s not just specific product, right. Ruben Roy – Pacific Crest Securities: Right. And then finally in terms of the restructuring and kind of the acceleration of some of your products roadmap, over the past, I would say five, six years, Lattice has carved out more of a focus on not so much competing against the larger programmable logic device manufacturers and maybe aiming more at kind of lower end and mid end applications, which in some cases, kind of the expensive application specific products etcetera. So in terms of the accelerated roadmap, has that thinking changed at all or if you can give us some incremental detail on how you expect to accelerate roadmap, that will be great?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Ruben Roy with Pacific Crest Securities

Yeah, I think the first way that you do is use some of the innovations that are out there today. And we haven’t traditionally been as good on a B grade or at cadence rate of how we deliver our products to market, right. And a lot of the times it’s taken us multiple stepping. So there’s things we can do there that are just some basic things that you want to do. But I want to be very clear that our market segment that we focus on is still the same market segment. We want to be excellent at the mid range and below, which means and in any one of the market segments the more products you have, the better. So our plan is really accelerating a lot of the derivatives that we had on the roadmap such that we can expand our market segment share in those markets we’re playing out. We don’t want to try to accelerate up on a rocket pace to be one of the big guys that’s still not the intention. We’ve made that clear to everybody. Right, so it’s really within the portfolio of products we have. We want to spend more derivatives to expand our market segment share in the market that we plan and we think that will help us grow a lot. Ruben Roy – Pacific Crest Securities: Okay. That’s all I had. Thanks Darin.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Ruben Roy with Pacific Crest Securities

Yep.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) The next question is from the line of Nick Clare with Robert Baird. Nick Clare – Robert Baird: Hey, guys this is Nick Clare calling for Tristan Gerra. I was just wondering if you could comment at all on the Huawei and ZTE is inventory deleveraging. I know, you had mentioned that you guys hadn’t seen in some of the markets just because you’re a little bit more a niche market provider. But I guess if you could any color you saw there if it did have any impact on your 1Q results are kind of moving forward would be helpful?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Nick Clare with Robert Baird

Yeah, I don’t think we want to specifically comment on any one customer, but I can tell you this. I think that there’s customers out there that maybe using the opportunity of some of the constraints to gain market segment shares. Right, I mean, I think there are people out there that are trying to do that. But I didn’t see – I mean, we didn’t see anything that was really out of the norm from our suppliers although, we’re starting to see people that are actually going back, people came in and ordered a bunch of step-up and in many cases everyone got a lot of backlog, which I think is normal on these situations and I think now people are saying, all right, that’s pretty good. So I don’t think it’s – I think it’s smooth out in the last probably two to three weeks, whereas the first two to three weeks of the situation people were just calling everyone what’s the situation and some of it was the big microcontroller and microprocessor groups that got hit and you guys know who those guys are. So we’re looking more of that. Do we get constrained by somebody else on the system on the bill of material in their system versus if somebody trying to really do something different here, but I think there might be a few people out there trying to gain share at this time. We don’t see that as being significant in Q1 and we don’t see it being significant in Q2. Nick Clare – Robert Baird: Okay. And then the other thing was, I guess, beyond 2011 then, just because you mentioned your – the restructuring charges were necessarily kind of implemented as a cost reduction opportunity. But as those kind of taper off here in 2011, did you see kind of further cost reduction opportunities for the company going forward as a result or in other words?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Nick Clare with Robert Baird

Yeah, absolutely. I think the plan that we have right now is again when you try to short things up, your spending goes up a little bit as you’re trying to take its sight down or take a situation down or you’re trying to bring one up in a different competency. And so what we’re trying to do is as you align those competencies to the center of excellence, we really got to focus on being able to then take the R&D model and switch it over time. We won’t get there probably this year and next year to drive R&D, but as our revenue grows, you would expect us to be a lot more scalable, so we’re not spending as much from that perspective. You’ll get more out of R&D that you did in the past. So, I would expect our models on percentage of R&D as we grow revenue to go down. This year and probably part of next year we’re going to still be going to that transition. Nick Clare – Robert Baird: Okay great. That was it from me. Thanks guys and nice job in the quarter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Sujeeva De Silva with ThinkEquity. Sujeeva De Silva – ThinkEquity: Questions on the restructuring, is there any up opportunity benefit for the gross margin on a secular basis. I know it moves around with mix, but its there anything you can do that that would help that trend upwards over time?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Sujeeva De Silva with ThinkEquity

Through the restructuring? Sujeeva De Silva – ThinkEquity: Yes or just any efforts in general help the gross margin not just move around to mix.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Sujeeva De Silva with ThinkEquity

I think yes so let’s talk about a little bit. I think in the front end of this, no the front end is really focused on research and development because I think that’s what we’re trying to focus on right, just get more products out. I think bringing Joe in is going to be huge for us because we’ve been we’re going to focus on the bottom-line and also on the ability for us to get more out of the operational side, right. So right now the biggest what you want to do first and foremost, which is in the priority orders you want to get more out of R&D and then as you’re growing this thing you can be taken stuff out of the ops, right and we see opportunities in both of these areas as we move forward. We don’t have solid plans at this point to restructure anything beyond what we said so far. Sujeeva De Silva – ThinkEquity: Clarification and then competitively in the market you’re focusing on the mid and low end are you seeing any changes competitively from your larger competitors?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Sujeeva De Silva with ThinkEquity

Oh yeah, I think by the way competition is great. I mean I love the fact that you create a market in certain areas. I think we created a market with ECP3, which was a mid range comps part with 30s and a lot of people went “wow” that’s a pretty interesting way to approach it. So I think I would expect them to respond, the question is really can they execute, who can execute and can people ramp and get the design wins because these things they don’t happen overnight design wins don’t. So we got to be prepared for the next wave of design wins that we’re looking at and again the 3G extension and then eventually we have to be looking at that 4G market. Sujeeva De Silva – ThinkEquity: Great and last question, the MachXO2, what market is new or what markets are those end-markets that product is focused on or is it broad-based?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Sujeeva De Silva with ThinkEquity

It’s pretty broad-based. I want to make one correction is that XO2 is a ship release not launched. Sujeeva De Silva – ThinkEquity: Sure.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Sujeeva De Silva with ThinkEquity

Right, so we launched that last year. We ship released it this past quarter, which is huge for us that thing goes everywhere. I mean it’s a great, as we marketed as a Swiss Army knife it does a ton of things. It’s a very, very low power. So you can find its way into anything from smartphones to office automation to hard disk drive. You name it that thing can go over. So we’re really comfortable with that. It’s a product that will open new markets for us and also help us to expand our reach with the low power applications. Sujeeva De Silva – ThinkEquity: Great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of David Duley with Steelhead. David Duley – Steelhead: Congratulations on a nice quarter. Thanks for letting me to ask a question. I was wondering I notice that your sales in the United States were up I think they are 36% sequentially. Could you talk a little bit about what the driver was there?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · David Duley with Steelhead

One big consumer application that we had one of our military upsides that we didn’t expect. So we’ve got some stuff that went in there, but big consumer pop and the military pop. And I argue this it probably wouldn’t have been up that high had Japan not been down so low right, because Japan again we got hit there was a lot of issues there. So all-in-all I think we faired pretty well on that we expect Japan to do quite a bit better next quarter. David Duley – Steelhead: Okay. I’m sorry if I missed this, but have you seen any sort of supply constraints from either any of your test and assembly partners particularly with either the BT Resin or anything like that, were you having troubles getting substrates during the quarter or do you see any troubles get going forward?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · David Duley with Steelhead

Just first time, I think there was a lot of constraints from thin copper substrate to BT laminate that you named, and we called those organic laminate substrates. But the bottom-line is yeah, there were all sorts of things out there, but the key is, it’s been on industry standard product lines. So that one that something like does happened you shift over to another supplier. I think when people had customized solutions they got nailed then you have a problem. But a lot of these things and you’ve seen by the way, you’ve seen other companies bought with the thick PCN it’s a take it or leave it, convert here is what I got because reaction is pretty bad right. So I think there is the mix of that. There are so many different types of laminates out there today, they’re industry standards. That you just got to make sure, when you build your manufacturing flow that you qualify quite a few different ones, upfront so if situation happens, you just move to the next supplier, right. David Duley – Steelhead: Okay so you can switch off between Mitsubishi and Hitachi without any problems or your substrate to that [account]?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · David Duley with Steelhead

Yeah, right and then the other is that people haven’t alluded to a lot is that you got things like molding compounds, right. David Duley – Steelhead: Yeah.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · David Duley with Steelhead

That got hit, right and that’s another one. If you really qualify, you cross qualify early up and then those things just become simple PCN that aren’t a big deal. So I think what happen is there is probably a lot of people that were single sourced in certain areas and they are like, oh my gosh what do I do. We have experience with a lot of different – the older the company, the more experience you have with the more different assembly test suppliers. And so you kind of have an advantage there where you know what the molding compounds are, who builds and all that stuff. David Duley – Steelhead: Okay. That’s good news.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · David Duley with Steelhead

Yeah, we’ll have to do some simple things as backups just in case something doesn’t come up, but more of our qualifications are just backups to things in case because we feel comfortable with supply plus a lot of these things, you have six months, people have to build these things probably six months in advance. David Duley – Steelhead: Yep.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · David Duley with Steelhead

You have to keep six months of inventory. So we feel comfortable with where we’re at, that’s why we said we‘re not going to have any real impact. David Duley – Steelhead: Great. One final question from me. You’ve touched upon it a little bit, but I am just little confused about the operating expense guidance. Essentially you just, you did like 39 million in operating expenses, without the restructuring it was 37 million and you’re guiding to 38 million in this upcoming quarter and there is about $1 million of restructuring. So it looks like the operating expense levels are flat net of the restructuring. And since there was left, $3 million left mask cost in this upcoming quarter than last quarter, I am wondering what the incremental $3 million of spend is actually on?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · David Duley with Steelhead

Hold on a second. Yeah, I think some of that 3 million, 3 million was clear mask that’s right because we had a bunch of the mask sets that went out last quarter. This time -- here is what’s interesting, we have a lot of wafers that we’re loading out for some of the new products which are classified there plus – yeah, okay so bottom line is we’re going to get some spending from new products which was good. We have some restructuring in there which is good and the rest of it is all labor and things like that that we’re using plus some additional contractors that we have because what we did in order to do a shore up as we’re doing some of the restructuring and building the competencies we had actually used outside services. Right, so we had to go to other places to go in there and say okay we’re contracting stuff out as a backup and accelerate it to our product roadmap. And so that ended up kind of showing up in Q2, which is what we’re going to have to do. That’s why I was talking about there is an interim kind of process we’re going to go through. What I can tell you is that the basic run rate that we’re seeing as we move through is not going up a lot. We’re keeping that in check, but we are putting variable on top of it to short some of our gaps. So no products… David Duley – Steelhead: It will be more like the September quarter, when we see a more normalized level of operating expenses then?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · David Duley with Steelhead

Well, yeah, I would expect it to get better, but remember these new products – our new products that’s coming out, the next product after ECP3 comes out in that again. So we may have one more quarter or so and then we should start seeing it come back to normality, right… David Duley – Steelhead: Okay.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · David Duley with Steelhead

Again, we are spending a lot of time doing that right now, because again there are certain competencies that as you redeploy in one area and you’re moving them to buildup the next area, you’ve got us buffer that, that’s how we’re doing it. We’re doing it with outside contractors. David Duley – Steelhead: Thank you very much.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · David Duley with Steelhead

Yep.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your next question is from the line of Richard Shannon with Northland Capital.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Richard Shannon with Northland Capital

Rich, you’re back? Richard Shannon – Northland Capital: I am. Just one last question on your second quarter guidance, I’m kind of curious, kind of the puts and takes in terms of the end markets and also on the product age, whether there is any large divergence in any of the categories relative to the midpoint of guidance?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Richard Shannon with Northland Capital

Yeah, I don’t see a lot. I mean, today – if you are talking about its comps going up or down or things like that? Richard Shannon – Northland Capital: Exactly.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Richard Shannon with Northland Capital

Right, yeah. I think it’s going to be pretty consistent with what we saw this quarter minus some of the little pops here and that we talked a little bit about the military and some other things that we had right, but I think it’s going to be relatively fixed. Okay, if there is anything that will be hard to call it probably would be variability and comps, right. Richard Shannon – Northland Capital: Okay. All right, fair enough. And then product age, we’re expecting to see a good quarter image in the mainstream like we have a past couple?

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Richard Shannon with Northland Capital

We don’t really see anything, we tell us anything different. Richard Shannon – Northland Capital: Okay. All right, great. That’s all from me guys. Thank you.

Darin Billerbeck

Analyst · Richard Shannon with Northland Capital

All right. Thanks Richard.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) There are no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Darin Billerbeck. Darin Billerbeck – President and Chief Executive Officer: Okay. I just want to thank everybody, great quarter. We feel really comfortable with the strategy. We spent a lot of time on it. And we have some restructuring that might be a little – create a little anxious, but it’s all for good especially in the short-term and long-term. So again thanks for the call. Thanks for everybody asking really good questions and onward to next quarter.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect at this time.