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Q1 2012 Earnings Call· Tue, May 8, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the LTC Properties Inc.’s First Quarter 2012 Analyst and Investor Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I’d like to remind everyone that today’s comments, including the question-and-answer session, will include forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results and events to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in LTC Properties Inc.’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the company’s 10-K dated December 31, 2011. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Wendy Simpson. Please go ahead.

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Hello, and thank you for joining us today. We’ll begin our call with comments on the quarter from Pam Kessler, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Pamela Shelley-Kessler

Analyst

Thank you, Wendy. I’ll be discussing first quarter 2012 compared to fourth quarter 2011. I’ll refer you to our 10-Q that was filed yesterday for a year-over-year analysis. During the first quarter 2012, revenues increased approximately 342,000 due to acquisitions. Interest expense increased 40,000 due to increased borrowing under our line of credit to fund the acquisition in the first quarter. Acquisition costs decreased $127,000 due to one acquisition in the first quarter as compared to 3 acquisitions in the fourth quarter. Operating and other expenses increased $92,000 due to higher payroll taxes in the first quarter related to bonuses paid during the quarter and an increase in restricted stock vesting expense. During the quarter, we sold a 140-bed skilled nursing property in Texas for $1.2 million, and recognized a gain on sale of $16,000. The property was in a master lease with Preferred Care and there was no change in rent from this master lease as a result of the sale, so there was no change in revenue due to the sale of the property. Expense from discontinued operations relates to an independent living property in Texas. We’ve received multiple offers on this property, all with financing contingencies. We’ve ordered an appraisal to determine the fair market value, and should the appraisal indicate a market value below the current net book value of $5 million, we’ll record an impairment charge equal to the difference between the appraised value and the net book value. Net income available to common stockholders increased $353,000 due to acquisitions. Normalized fully-diluted FFO per share was $0.56 this quarter compared to normalized fully-diluted FFO per share of $0.55 last quarter. Normalized fully-diluted FAD per share was $0.56 this quarter and $0.54 last quarter. Turning to the balance sheet. During the quarter, we purchased a 144-bed…

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Okay, thank you, Pam. Clint, our Senior Vice President and Chief Investment Officer, will comment on our deal flow and our pipeline.

Clint Malin

Analyst

Thank you, Wendy. Last quarter I mentioned we had entered into 2 letters of intent. One of these transactions was then converted into a closed deal during the first quarter, as Pam mentioned in her comments. The second letter of intent is for the acquisition of land to construct a freestanding private pay memory care property. We anticipate finalizing all transaction documents this week, and closing on the land acquisition in the next 2 weeks. We are very excited about beginning our first memory care development project since announcing our development initiative late last year. LTC’s funding commitment for this investment, inclusive of land and hard and soft costs for construction of a 60-unit facility, will be approximately $9.8 million. This investment has increased approximately $800,000 from when I initially mentioned this potential transaction on our previous earnings call. We will formally announce the transaction and related details once we close on the land acquisition. Our deal pipeline remains strong, in the $150 million range, consisting of development opportunities and acquisition of existing operational properties; mainly skilled nursing facilities. We have 2 new letters of intent signed by both parties, and we are in the process of conducting due diligence on the transaction. We continue to be in active discussions with multiple companies regarding development opportunities for freestanding private-pay memory care properties, as we focus on building out our development program for this property type. Now that we will be closing on land for our first memory care development project, we have been able to refine our financial modeling and our due diligence process, address accounting and tax questions and create standardized documents in order to replicate the structure with other operators on other development projects. We believe that by having this structure in place, it will give us a…

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Thank you, Clint. We’ve had a very active 2012. Pam mentioned the $18.6 million deal that we closed in the first quarter, and Clint’s outlined some of the opportunities we’re currently pursuing. We’re very positive about our deal flow and the success of our marketing efforts. To add some details to what Clint has outlined, let me give you an idea of what we’re working on that’s in that $150 million bucket of opportunities. And I believe that we have a very high possibility of Clint’s converting these into closed deals. We’ve completed due diligence and gotten a signed purchase - Once we’ve completed due diligence and gotten signed purchase agreements, we’ll announce lease rates and states and licensed beds and other details. But now this is what I’m comfortable in disclosing relative to some of the deals we’re working on. We have a signed LOI to purchase a skilled nursing facility for $6.5 million. This facility will be tucked into an existing master lease, with an existing operator. This property is a year or so old, and is being sold by its developer-operator. We have a good possibility of closing this in the second quarter. We have a signed LOI to purchase $54 million worth of skilled nursing properties from an operator in a sale-leaseback transaction. I’m so excited about these properties because they are among the nicest properties I’ve ever seen. The operator is very innovative and experienced. These properties were opened in 2009 and 2010. The operator has done transactions with a REIT before and is comfortable with the triple net lease structure. We very much want to become the owners of these properties and add the operator to our portfolio, and the owner-operator would very much like to work with us. The primary snag here is…

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions]. Our first question comes from Daniel Bernstein of Stifel, Nicolaus.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

It’s a little hard not to come back to the assisted living concept, so you’re right to anticipate it. Do you have similar properties with other operators? I just want to understand if you have something to compare against their performance?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

They’re not dissimilar to what properties we have with Brookdale.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

And would you say those properties are performing better or you’re just…

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Well, the Brookdale properties, in the same type of market areas, are performing better and Brookdale does not, not take Medicaid or allow their residents to convert to Medicaid. So it gets back in the areas where they’re not performing very well, they’re in states that rely a lot on the Medicaid residents. But in states where other states like common states that we have with Brookdale…

Clint Malin

Analyst

Texas would be one.

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Texas would be one. They’re very similar performances.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

Okay. And the other question I was wondering is, on the acquisition front, what are the timing of some of those LOIs that you have? I mean, obviously they’re still in the due diligence process, but are you thinking those are second or third quarter close or is it going to be later than that?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

I think…

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

You may have said that and I might have missed it.

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Yes, that’s all right. The 6.5 is probably definitely a second quarter close. The $54 million, we would both like to do it, but because there’s a third party involved, it might slip a little bit.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

Is that HUD debt or is it something else?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

It’s something else.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

Okay. And what do you seeing in terms of the pipeline in the senior housing space? I mean, you clearly have some focus here on the skilled nursing, but are you seeing any opportunities in senior housing as well that might present an LOI at some point?

Clint Malin

Analyst

Dan, this is Clint. On the senior housing side, for the assisted living properties that we like to look at that are better markets, newer product - the cap rates, the pricing premium that’s being demanded in those makes it challenging for us to go ahead and look at. So we - there are opportunities we see, but it’s - given the pricing in today’s market, it’s a little hard for us to work on our cost to capital. So we’re still actively looking at them, but the pricing on skilled nursing tends to work better for us.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

Okay. And then I have a question, the assets that you’re buying tend to be fairly new. Do you have an average age for your portfolio and maybe goals to where you want that to go?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

No, we don’t have an average age because we’ve, we’ve done a lot of renovations. But I would say that in the last year, most of what we bought has been built in the 2000s.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

By design?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

By design, or in the instance that I was talking about the opportunity, we’d buy something at a low amount and be able to replace it, hopefully.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

Okay. And no hesitancy on the part of sellers to sell in an uncertain market, uncertain reimbursement, the sellers, there’s no hesitancy upon - amongst the sellers to go ahead and do these transactions at this point?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

We haven’t found an operator who believes that they’ve ever been in a market that’s not always changing.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from John Roberts of Hilliard Lyons.

John Roberts

Analyst

You didn’t mention cap rates. I don’t know if that purposeful or nothing’s really decided upon, but I’d be kind of interested in the discussion of that $54 million portfolio since it’s larger than you typically do.

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

We’re not ready to announce that yet.

John Roberts

Analyst

Okay. What are you seeing? I mean, what’s the - I mean, are they within your typical expectation for …

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Yes, they’re definitely within our typical expectation.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from James Milam of Sandler O’Neill.

James Milam

Analyst

My first question is just on the skilled nursing coverage. Can you guys give us a number, kind of what it would have been for annualized fourth quarter? I'm just curious if there’s a way to sort of quantify if that may continue to decline through the rest of the year given that it’s a trailing 12 month number.

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

I don’t have an annualized. Sorry, James.

James Milam

Analyst

Okay, what’s kind of just - generally, what’s your thought or perspective on how that may shift over the course of the year? Are operators starting to do, should they – see some EBITARM increase over the rest of the year, or is that, obviously it’s a trailing 12 number, does that continue to dip through the third quarter?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

It will dip as we expected it to dip because of RUGS4. So a little bit of it was experienced in this last annualized quarter. So as RUGS4 comes fully into the quarter, we even talked about it last quarter, that we expect it to be at about 1.9.

Pamela Shelley-Kessler

Analyst

Yes. I think we’re still comfortable with that estimate of 1.9.

James Milam

Analyst

Okay, perfect. And then my second question is, I hear you on not changing your guidance given the skilled bonds, but you’ve also made, closed a couple of CapEx investments that should start generating some revenue. I’m just, in addition to skilled nursing asset. So I guess my question is, why aren’t you a little more comfortable assuming that the revenue does go up through the rest of the year, number one. And then number two, maybe without being specific, but thinking about the potential deal pipeline, what are your thoughts - and also with kind of where CMS is at this point, what are your thoughts on the dividend payout and potentially increasing the dividend over the next few quarters?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Our revenues are going up, but as I said, we’re, we’re probably going to do a financing that’s more long term. So we’ll be going from about a 2% interest rate to more. For a short period of time, we might have additional cash that’s not invested at our regular rate of returns in the 8% to 10% rate. So that will cause some additional expenses. And at the, just putting these assets on line, either the $54 million transaction or the $6.5 million transaction, coming in at the later end of the year, I just - we just haven’t had time to push through all possibilities. I got - I got the standalone do-nothing projection, but [indiscernible], who’s our controller hasn’t been able to get everything filed and give me all the assumption transactions. So I’m sorry, I don’t have it available. But the deals that we do, we are doing, are accretive, but timing of when those deals come in, we just haven’t been able to do the pro formas on those, James. I'm sorry.

James Milam

Analyst

So I guess, just as a follow up, you’re leaning towards potentially doing unsecured financing to repay the line of credit balance regardless of whether these acquisitions close or not? It’s not dependent on some additional acquisitions closing?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

I believe so. We’ve got - as Pam said, we’ve got 73 million drawn, and I’ve said before, when we have a significant amount drawn on our line, and I always was looking at about $100 million to make it worthwhile to do a longer-term financing, and right now it seems like the debt markets are pretty open, whether we do it through the pull down of our Prudential agreement or do something else. It looks like we’ll do something in the second quarter, if markets hold.

Pamela Shelley-Kessler

Analyst

Also James, in terms of us giving guidance, historically we’ve only given guidance on investments we’ve made that we’ve closed on and I think not updating guidance, kind of adheres to that philosophy where we’re very hopeful that we are going to be able to consummate these transactions, but I think to increase guidance at this point based on that would be a little premature. And in terms of the development deals that we do have commitments on, those tend to be, those go [indiscernible] usually over a 12 to 18-month period. So you see the revenue from those not really showing up until the end of the year or the first part of next year.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Josh Patinkin of BMO Capital Markets.

Joshua Patinkin

Analyst

Do you have any sense of what the level of interest - a replacement tenant would be for assisted living concepts should that ever happen, or have to happen?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Yes, we’ve talked to some of our other operators, just on a what if type - we’re fairly confident that we would be either able to place them with one operator, or find, people who are interested in groupings of the assets. So I’m not really too concerned about finding a new operator for those properties.

Joshua Patinkin

Analyst

And at a similar rent level?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Well, that, that would be the question, because - well, probably at a similar - I just got to believe something is going to happen at assisted living concepts that hopefully, they will either change their strategy, or their strategy will be worn out in the future. If we had to do it today, and we didn’t have the credit of assisted living, and - I mean, if for some reason we took them back today and we had to lease them out at a lower lease rate because they’re under occupied, we would still have assisted living concepts and extended care who would have to make up that lease differential during the time that the new operator got them more fully occupied. If it lingers on until the end of the lease period, which is 2014, but we’ll know in 2013 that they’re renewing or not renewing - we have a whole year to analyze that. So, right now, if I had to take them back, and I had nobody else to go to, to make up the rent differential, I just believe yes, we would probably take less of a rent while somebody got them up to speed, but I don’t see that happening.

Joshua Patinkin

Analyst

Okay, that’s fair.

Pamela Shelley-Kessler

Analyst

So the initial, rent yield would be lower, but it would ramp up.

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

But, nonetheless, and ramp up probably higher than what the existing assisted living cost.

Clint Malin

Analyst

And that’s assuming that of our idea structure, something along those lines, I mean, like we decided to not, we would look at that too, but would have to think hard about employing that structure as opposed to just a triple net lease structure.

Joshua Patinkin

Analyst

Okay, so that’s good color. And then the second question is on the skilled nursing coverage numbers, have you gotten any sense of the level of mitigation efforts that your operators have accomplished to offset the reduction in Medicare reimbursement?

Clint Malin

Analyst

Rich, I don’t have any specific numbers to give you, but we’re in active discussions and staying in close contact with our operators to get a better sense of what they are doing, and where they are at, and they started implementing this in the fourth quarter, so I imagine as this year continues, we’ll see that sort of get to a stabilized number where they have those cost mitigation efforts fully baked into their financials. So, that’s something that’s in process and underway, I don’t have any specific details other than that they’re pursuing a multiple cost reductions.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Daniel Bernstein of Stifel, Nicolaus.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

I just have a follow up on the construction. The construction that you’re doing, is that Memory Care, and are you looking at any other asset type to do some construction funding?

Clint Malin

Analyst

Right now, the property that I talked about, Dan, was freestanding, private pay memory care facility. So, that’s what we’re targeting primarily. But we would also look assisted living and memory care as a combined property - it would depend on the market, the operator, but it’s something that we would look at. And then we are also looking, as Wendy had mentioned on the skilled nursing properties - and doing some replacement projects. We have the project in Amarillo, Texas, that’s underway as a replacement skilled project, and we’re looking at a few other opportunities hopefully in our portfolio to replace some projects. So, it would depend on the circumstance, but the primary focus on development is for freestanding private-pay memory care.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

Okay, and just so I understand, what the ALC leases, what month do they expire in 2014…

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

December.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

And when do they have to give you notice?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

They need to give us notice by December 31, 2013 to expire December 31, 2014.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

And they have another set of leases, when do those expire, I think it was 2016, or something?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

No, they’re the same.

Dan Bernstein

Analyst

They are all the same?

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Yes, they are all the same.

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions]. Our next question comes from Karin Ford of Keybanc Capital Markets.

Karin Ford

Analyst

What percentage of the $150 million pipeline is development versus acquisitions today?

Clint Malin

Analyst

I would say you’re probably looking at about 40% development.

Karin Ford

Analyst

40%, okay, and I know you said the total cost for the initial deal sounds like it went up a little bit, what are you expecting on yields for the Memory Care product these days?

Clint Malin

Analyst

I’m figuring right around the 9% range.

Karin Ford

Analyst

9% yield, okay. Great, and then last question is just on the Smith’s that Kindred gave up leases with Ventos. I know Ventos is focused on, they said they’re focused on releasing those today, but have you guys seen any - seen them for sale in the market, if you did would you be interested in taking a look?

Clint Malin

Analyst

We’ve made contact with Ventos initially when the announcement came out…

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

We’re one of the hundred.

Clint Malin

Analyst

Yes, we’re one of the hundred, exactly, and they are running a process - if the opportunity came up and there was a few buildings that, maybe an operable one to buy, or we can look at them, we would probably look at a couple if the right opportunity came up.

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Or if an operator came to us.

Clint Malin

Analyst

Exactly.

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

But, yes - we just - we’ve been talking about this, and Clint and I, and Andy are around a lot, and I just don’t remember being in a market where somebody said, “Oh we have a Kindred facility that’s competing.” So, I think they are in a lot of markets that we just aren’t in, I haven’t gotten a list of those properties but they don’t seem to be competitors in our stronger market.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session, I would like to turn the conference back over to Wendy Simpson for any closing remarks.

Wendy Simpson

Analyst

Thank you, Sue, and again thank you all for joining us today. Hopefully, we will have some press releases out about deals or debt transactions within this quarter before we talk to you again, but if not, we will talk to you in approximately 3 months. Again, thanks a lot for spending the time.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.