Operator
Operator
Good morning. Welcome to Macy’s Incorporated Second Quarter Earnings Release Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Karen Hoguet. Please go ahead.
Macy's, Inc. (M)
Q2 2014 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 13, 2014
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Operator
Operator
Good morning. Welcome to Macy’s Incorporated Second Quarter Earnings Release Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Karen Hoguet. Please go ahead.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Thank you. Good morning and welcome to the Macy’s conference call scheduled to discuss our second quarter performance. I am Karen Hoguet, CFO of the company. Any transcription or other reproduction of the statements made in this call without our consent is prohibited. A replay of the call will be available on our website www.macysinc.com, beginning approximately 2 hours after the call concludes. Please refer to the Investor Relations section of our website for discussion and reconciliations of any non-GAAP financial measures discussed this morning. Keep in mind that all forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause the company’s actual results to differ materially from the expectations and assumptions mentioned today due to a variety of factors that affect the company, including the risks specified in the company’s most recently filed Form 10-K. The key metrics for the second quarter performance include a 4% comp sales increase on an owned plus license basis, a 30-basis point increase in EBIT as a percent of sales and an 11% increase in earnings per share on a diluted basis. Those together make for a good quarter and we are in line with what we expected. While our stronger sales performance in the quarter was in part due to the shift in the timing of the friends and family event at the beginning of the quarter, we were pleased that the tone of our business in the second quarter improved relative to the first quarter. However, we weren't able to make up the sales shortfall from the first quarter. However, given the improved trend in the second quarter and our fall holiday strategies, we feel good about the back half of the year and did not change our sales expectations for the fall. We did lower our guidance for the…
Operator
Operator
Thank you. (Operator Instructions) We will take our first question from Paul Swinand of Morningstar.
Paul Swinand - Morningstar
Analyst
Good morning and thanks for taking the questions. Just real quickly so I understand on the SG&A, was just the $1 increase, is that all the marketing shift and I am just trying to think longer term. You just said that you have got lower SG&A on a dollar basis than when you would - can that kind of continue to leverage or hold steady for the long-term without increasing the store base?
Karen Hoguet
Management
I am not sure I understand the questions, but we feel very good about the fact that in the quarter we were able to reduce our SG&A as a percent of sales by 70 basis points, even while investing in growth. We will continue to do what we can to control expense, but we are investing in the future at the same time.
Paul Swinand - Morningstar
Analyst
Is that investment more in the marketing and the online…
Karen Hoguet
Management
Well, it's really more technology and building the Omnichannel strategies, delivery, expense, things like that Buy Online Pickup in Store, all of the new initiatives that we are doing to help the customer find new ways of shopping and engaging with Macy's.
Paul Swinand - Morningstar
Analyst
Okay. Thank you. Then quickly on the handbags, is that still a very promotional area? Obviously, a lot of a lot of other stores do well in that area. Why do you think you will be better with this new initiative?
Karen Hoguet
Management
No, no. We have been doing spectacularly in handbags for a long time and I do think we are the market leader. I think it's a combination of terrific brands, the online in-store presence, the display we have -in-store, the sales associates in store, we are just very strong in that area, but that's not new. That's been the case.
Paul Swinand - Morningstar
Analyst
Great. Thanks again and best of luck.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Thank you very much.
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Charles Grom of Sterne Agee.
Charles Grom - Sterne Agee
Analyst
Hey, thanks. Good morning, Karen.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Hi, Charles.
Charles Grom - Sterne Agee
Analyst
Just again on the SG&A, a lot of the components, the retirement expense, the savings from other store closings and the credit was basically the same as the first quarter, yet to Paul's question you were up $25 million, you were down $41 million. In this quarter, you were down $41 million in the first quarter. Can you just help us a little bit on the technology spend, how much was it in the second quarter relative to the first quarter?
Karen Hoguet
Management
The difference, Chuck, is the fact that the sales grew more, so the sales variable expense are going to be higher in the quarter when you have in terms of dollars when have 4% sales growth.
Charles Grom - Sterne Agee
Analyst
Okay, so there is no major change 2Q versus 1Q…
Karen Hoguet
Management
Correct.
Charles Grom - Sterne Agee
Analyst
Okay. Thanks for clarifying. Then just merchandise margins down like you said about 30 basis points in the quarter. They were up 15, I think, in the first quarter, yet you had a better comp. Could you just flush out the delta. It's great to see inventory levels…
Karen Hoguet
Management
The trick is we were flat for the season, which is consistent with what we had told people, so I think stick with our guidance and again a flat gross margin rate for the quarter is what we had expected.
Charles Grom - Sterne Agee
Analyst
Okay. Then any early thoughts on back-to-school so far? Well, the end of the second quarter back-to-school was extremely strong at the start will see as it goes through the season, but we feel very good about it. Our Junior's business, we really think now has turned around and has been terrific. Kids did well, active is on fire, finished line doing very, we are. Hopefully that will continue through the third quarter.
Charles Grom - Sterne Agee
Analyst
All right great. Thanks a lot.
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Paul Lejuez of Wells Fargo.
Paul Lejuez - Wells Fargo
Analyst
Thanks. Hey, Karen.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Morning, Paul.
Paul Lejuez - Wells Fargo
Analyst
Morning. Just wondering if there were any particular categories that you actually saw more gross margin pressure this quarter versus those that might have been stronger. Also wondering just about your performance from a top-line and gross margin perspective, when you were running friends and family versus the periods that weren't. Thanks.
Karen Hoguet
Management
You know something, I don't look at it that way. Again, we look at the promotional strategy in total and what does that do for the quarter, I am not sure I can help you with that question.
Paul Lejuez - Wells Fargo
Analyst
Got you, and how should we think about gross margin third quarter versus fourth quarter. We heard your guidance for the second half as a whole. You gave us some color on what to expect on the sales line third quarter versus fourth quarter…
Karen Hoguet
Management
Well, it's hard to forecast by quarter, so I don't anticipate any major swing, but that doesn't mean there won't be any and I would just urge you to think about the season as a whole and the years as a whole.
Paul Lejuez - Wells Fargo
Analyst
Okay. Thank you. Good luck.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Michael Binetti of UBS.
Michael Binetti - UBS
Analyst
Good morning, Karen.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Good morning, Michael.
Michael Binetti - UBS
Analyst
Just with everything we have seen and we have heard a number of people saying at a minimal level promotions in the quarter were definitely high still to get the consumer in the door. Can you talk to us if you guys have changed your view at all on how promotion you need to approach the market in the second half of the year based on just update your thinking for the second quarter.
Karen Hoguet
Management
I can't remember a time when it wasn't promotional, so I don't see anything different in the second quarter of the fall season. This is a very promotional business. Our customer very much wants value and very much responds to promotions, so I don't see a change happening there, but it's very promotional. Maybe could you help us think about what might have driven the acceleration in AUR in the quarter versus what we saw on the first quarter?
Karen Hoguet
Management
I think that's why I said focus on the two quarters together, because I think that's a more representative time period.
Michael Binetti - UBS
Analyst
Okay. Then just lastly, could you help us think about where we are as far as the run rate on the cost savings that you announced earlier in year. How much of that is going through the P&L right now?
Karen Hoguet
Management
That's going to run through all year.
Michael Binetti - UBS
Analyst
Is it up to the full amount of savings at this point there is nothing incremental to come in the back half from that?
Karen Hoguet
Management
That's correct.
Michael Binetti - UBS
Analyst
Okay.
Karen Hoguet
Management
But it's still (Inaudible).
Michael Binetti - UBS
Analyst
Right. Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Bob Drbul of Nomura Securities.
Bob Drbul - Nomura Securities
Analyst
Hi, Karen. Good morning .
Karen Hoguet
Management
Hi, Bob. Good morning.
Bob Drbul - Nomura Securities
Analyst
The first question is when you think about the Omnichannel initiative, are radiated sales from Buy Online Pickup in Store, are they impacting certain categories more than other categories?
Karen Hoguet
Management
I think, they are, but I think it's happening, it's just too early to say, Bob. Give us a little more time with that. We have only had it rolled out to off-stores for a couple of weeks now and I said we really haven't even marketed, so I think we need to wait and see.
Bob Drbul - Nomura Securities
Analyst
Okay. Then as you look at - you didn't change the sales expectations for the back half of the year. Are there some product launches or categories that you are excited about or new products, or new brands that you are excited about that you are looking forward for Macy's to have overall?
Karen Hoguet
Management
I think there are, but I don't want our competitors that they are, so I think should just leave it there. If you look at the second quarter, the run rate in the second quarter is consistent with what we are expecting for the fall, so there is this misperception that we are expecting this huge increase in sales in the [fund] that's not the case.
Bob Drbul - Nomura Securities
Analyst
Got it. Okay. Then last question just the Bloomingdales outlet business. Can you just talk a little bit sort of about the learning there, the updated thoughts around the opportunity and how that business is perform for you?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Yes. I mean, I think we are feeling better about it. The performance is good and we are beginning to develop real estate plans to expand it further.
Bob Drbul - Nomura Securities
Analyst
Okay. Thank you very much, Karen.
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Jeff Stein of Northcoast Research.
Jeff Stein - Northcoast Research
Analyst
Hey, good morning Karen. Just a couple of ones real quick. First of all, Bloomingdales versus Macy's, which segment of business was stronger in the quarter?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Bloomingdales has had a strong quarter just like Macy's.
Jeff Stein - Northcoast Research
Analyst
Okay. As far as kind of the pattern of sales during the quarter, what we've been hearing now for about a year is that during special events, fourth of July and Mother's Day and so forth that that's when the customer comes in. Then there was kind of a low in between special events. Are you seeing that in your business. Did you see that in the second quarter?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Well, you always get more traffic when you are promoting, but relative to our plan I would say no, Jeff. I mean, but you are always going to have less traffic when you are not doing a major promotion, but it's as we would have expected.
Jeff Stein - Northcoast Research
Analyst
What I meant was do you have more challenges getting customers to come in and shop during kind of the low periods.
Karen Hoguet
Management
No more so than usual.
Jeff Stein - Northcoast Research
Analyst
Okay. Final question is just a clarification on the SG&A. You mentioned a $40 million of savings from retirement and was it retirement store closings, so 40?
Karen Hoguet
Management
No. The $40 million is the retirement.
Jeff Stein - Northcoast Research
Analyst
Okay. How about store closing, store restructuring?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Well, it's the amount that we had said we would save at the end of the year. We didn't break it out by quarter.
Jeff Stein - Northcoast Research
Analyst
It was $100 million for the year?
Karen Hoguet
Management
For the year.
Jeff Stein - Northcoast Research
Analyst
Yes. Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Kimberly Greenberger of Morgan Stanley.
Kimberly Greenberger - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
Great. Thanks so much, Karen. Just so I understand the SG&A savings that would benefit the second half of the year. The $40 million savings on the pension and $100 million on the store closing those were both, annual figures. Correct?
Karen Hoguet
Management
The $40 million, no, that's in the quarter, so we had said we would save approximately $150 million for the full-year on the retirement side.
Kimberly Greenberger - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
Okay. Great. Thank you for that clarification, and that you are expecting to flow fairly evenly quarter-by-quarter in the back half?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Yes.
Kimberly Greenberger - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
Okay. Great. We were wondering about the shift in merchandise margin. Obviously Q1 was up Q2 was down and the net of which was basically flat in line with your expectations. Was that shift simply the friends and family shift or did you feel like the business was a little bit more promotional outside of the shifting around for friends and family…
Karen Hoguet
Management
No. I don't think it's the impact of friends and family and all. I mean, think it's partially as you recall at the end of the first quarter, we did not clear the inventory as rapidly, because we were waiting for the warm weather day hit, so some of those markdowns were shifted into the second quarter. Again, the spring season was consistent with what we had expected. The timing just changed a little bit.
Kimberly Greenberger - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
Great. The inventory here coming out of Q2 was looking fairly lean and running below your second half sales target, do you feel comfortable that you have got enough inventory to drive that 2% to 3% growth you're looking for in the back half of the year?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Yes. We do.
Kimberly Greenberger - Morgan Stanley
Analyst
Okay. Great. Thanks, Karen.
Operator
Operator
Next question is from Oliver Chen of Citi.
Oliver Chen - Citi
Analyst
Thanks, Karen. Regarding the gross margin guidance for flat to down slightly, is the main driver there merchandise margin as you look forward. Also, if you could just comment a little bit on the Millennial strategies and which ones, which efforts would you prioritize in terms of driving the ongoing progress there, that would be great?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Yes. I mean, the merchandise margins, I think, should be flat-ish, maybe down slightly and then you have got the delivery expenses being the two factors that are impacting the year-to-year comparisons. In total, we expect the gross margins as I have said to be flat to down slightly. In terms of the Millennial, at this point, our strategies are working well. I am thrilled with the progress in the junior arena, the continued very high growth in Impulse, which is the older Millennial that's and apparel component cosmetics, shoes, handbags et cetera. Also, in fact, here is the component in home now, so we are feeling very good about our efforts to attract that sort of older Millennial customer. Kids has done well as well as on the men's side, so you know at least in the second quarter and hopefully ongoing, we shall go to that all components.
Oliver Chen - Citi
Analyst
Thank you. Just as a follow-up, in your comments in your press release and in the call about the customer still not feeling comfortable about spending more, does that change the way in which you work with vendors you as you develop an exclusive proprietary kind of product and how you think about planning product with the vendors given this environment?
Karen Hoguet
Management
I don't think it really changes it. I mean, you know the customers today are looking for great, new, fashion and products at a great value, but that really hasn't changed all that dramatically but obviously we are constantly looking to work with our vendors in new ways, looking for innovative ideas. Again, the good news is, I think, we and the major brands are working very effectively together on these strategies.
Oliver Chen - Citi
Analyst
Thank you. Best regards.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Lorraine Hutchinson of Bank of America.
Lorraine Hutchinson - Bank of America
Analyst
Thank you. Good morning, Karen.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Good morning, Lorraine.
Lorraine Hutchinson - Bank of America
Analyst
You were able to maintain your full-year EPS guidance even though you lowered the comp, so can you talk about were cost issues or what changed to the back half view that allowed you to keep the range where it was?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Well, I think it's the expense performance in the first half as well as our plans for the second, so the sales came was lower, the margins stayed the same, so it's the expense that is enabling us to do that.
Lorraine Hutchinson - Bank of America
Analyst
Great. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Paul Trussell of Deutsche Bank.
Paul Trussell - Deutsche Bank
Analyst
Hi. Good morning, Karen.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Good morning.
Paul Trussell - Deutsche Bank
Analyst
Can you help us understand the underlying second quarter comp trend? What was impact from the calendar shift that started off the quarter? Also, just to clarify your back-to-school comments, which I believe you said were strong. Was there a recent acceleration in the comp trend over the last few weeks?
Karen Hoguet
Management
I was committing only on the quarter. We will talk about the third quarter when we finish the third quarter, but we feel good about the back-to-school business. As I said, all the components were doing well, are doing well.
Paul Trussell - Deutsche Bank
Analyst
Okay. What was the impact from the calendar shift?
Karen Hoguet
Management
You know, it's hard - the only shift is the change in timing and friends and family.
Paul Trussell - Deutsche Bank
Analyst
Right.
Karen Hoguet
Management
We are not quantifying it, but is obviously significant enough that we had called it out at the beginning of the year.
Paul Trussell - Deutsche Bank
Analyst
Okay. I know you mentioned that Macy's and Bloomingdales, both had sold quarters. Just when you look at your Macy's business, however, are there any callouts or can you compare/contrast your how your higher end brands are performing versus opening price points? Do you see any differences there?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Not really.
Paul Trussell - Deutsche Bank
Analyst
Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Matthew Boss with JPMorgan.
Matthew Boss - JPMorgan
Analyst
Good morning, Karen.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Hey, Matt.
Matthew Boss - JPMorgan
Analyst
As we think about the bottom-line opportunity here, are you still comfortable with 14% EBITDA as a goal and would we need to macro improvement to start to move toward 15% over time?
Karen Hoguet
Management
We are still comfortable with 14% and we have taken 15% out of our discussion, so I don't think 15% is going to be possible at this point given the investments making to grow the business, so if I were you, all I would think the 14% and yes we will get there and we are making progress, but I don't think we will get to 15%.
Matthew Boss - JPMorgan
Analyst
Okay. Then as we think about the…
Karen Hoguet
Management
By the way you wouldn't want us to get to 15%, because it would require not investing in the business the way I think we should to get to get the growth.
Matthew Boss - JPMorgan
Analyst
Got it. Then as we think about the competitive backdrop, as you think about online, any changes that you have seen with Amazon or others? Then anything with the off-price channel, is there anything you can do pricing perspective that you think you need to do to maintain the value proposition?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Yes. I mean, we have really have not seen much change in the competition, but we are constantly looking at value. Obviously, value relative to the off-price channel becomes relevant, so yes we are looking at that, Matt, but don't really have anything to update you on.
Matthew Boss - JPMorgan
Analyst
Okay. Great. Best of luck.
Karen Hoguet
Management
The next question is from Dana Telsey of Telsey Advisory Group.
Dana Telsey - Telsey Advisory Group
Analyst
Good morning, Karen.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Hi, Dena.
Dana Telsey - Telsey Advisory Group
Analyst
Hi. You talked a little bit about you are in the early stages of exploring the Omni opportunity. How do you see that going forward in the investment spend that you are making and what benefits should we see given it seems like it's helping in terms of top-line, helping in terms of driving sales. Lastly, as you think about the core categories that performed well and the rebounding in furniture and mattresses, was that rebound in furniture and mattress is big ticket, was it the weather improved when you got them out there? How did you see it? Thank you.
Karen Hoguet
Management
There's a lot of questions there. I think the Omni opportunity is first and foremost sales growth, but what we are also finding is that this gross margin opportunity as well as turnover opportunity from again better coordinating across the company and looking at inventory across channels as well as marketing across channels, so I actually see it as a huge opportunity across the whole P&L and balance sheet and very exciting. In terms of the businesses had improved, I don't think it's weather-related. I just think that, again, I can't tell you what happened to big ticket in the first quarter, but it certainly rebounded in the second and we feel better about that going forward.
Dana Telsey - Telsey Advisory Group
Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Liz Dunn of Macquarie Capital.
Liz Dunn - Macquarie Capital
Analyst
Hi. Good morning.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Good morning.
Liz Dunn - Macquarie Capital
Analyst
I am interested in the Herald Square renovation. Obviously, it's still ongoing and will take a few years, but so far it looks like the parts of the store that you have renovated look terrific. I was just wondering, is the outperformance that you saw in the quarter from Herald Square that you called out was that specific to those departments that have been renovated or can you just give us any more color there?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Yes. I mean, the good news is, the areas that are renovated are obviously seeing the biggest pickup, but we are seeing in the areas that were completed earlier, we continue to see outsized growth, so after they, year-end, continue to do better. Obviously once people are in the store, they are buying in other areas as well, so we are seeing strength across which is really exciting.
Liz Dunn - Macquarie Capital
Analyst
Great. I am also interested in your efforts to sort of specifically market to consumers via digital methods. How sophisticated are your digital marketing efforts in customizing a message for consumers based on purchase history or even when they log on to give them a specific homepage? What are you doing to improve those areas?
Karen Hoguet
Management
I would say that today we are very sophisticated relative to our peers, however we are constantly investing and looking to hire talent to even accelerate those efforts, because we do believe it's very important for competing effectively going forward, but I would say today we are very good at that but are investing to get even better.
Liz Dunn - Macquarie Capital
Analyst
Okay. Great. Then just one final one, the continued improvement that you saw in Juniors and Impulse, is that driven primarily by some of your investments in private and exclusive brands or is it sort of shared with national brands?
Karen Hoguet
Management
It's shared across the board.
Liz Dunn - Macquarie Capital
Analyst
Okay. Great. Thank you so much.
Operator
Operator
Next question is from Bernard Sosnick of Gilford Securities.
Bernard Sosnick - Gilford Securities
Analyst
Good morning.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Good morning.
Bernard Sosnick - Gilford Securities
Analyst
I don't think I have ever heard a lineup of good news that included all that you said today about Juniors, Kids, Impulse, Activewear. I mean, you have put in a lot of effort to develop the Millennial strategy and to make the department store younger in feel. I am wondering if you can give us a broad-brush view of how your thinking might be changing along these positive lines going forward.
Karen Hoguet
Management
I am not sure I understand what would be changing.
Bernard Sosnick - Gilford Securities
Analyst
Well, I mean, you are doing so well, I am wondering whether or not you are feeling that there is a success in making the store younger in feel and could you share with us any forward-looking thoughts?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Well, I think, you know, we have said all along that investing in this Millennial customer was important for going forward and that's part of the reason we feel so good about the future for Macy's. By the way, the same is true for Bloomingdales in their own way. Again, I think it's important for us going forward. I am thrilled to be seeing the success.
Bernard Sosnick - Gilford Securities
Analyst
You called out Finish Line is doing very well. I know it should be up to around 400 stores with shops by October. What does it mean to have brands like Nike in the store where you didn't have it before? I am sure it is mainly for women, but what are the prospects for men's and kids athletic footwear?
Karen Hoguet
Management
It's actually not primarily for women. It's doing extremely well across men's women's and where we have it in kids. We are beginning to grow that more aggressively now. In most cases, we had the brands. We just didn't have the right shoes and it is making an enormous difference and really giving us credibility that's helping us with our overall active strategy also.
Bernard Sosnick - Gilford Securities
Analyst
Correct. Thank you very much. The next question is from Richard Jaffe of Stifel.
Richard Jaffe - Stifel
Analyst
Thanks very much. Stifel, we say Stifel. Hi, Karen.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Hi. Good morning.
Richard Jaffe - Stifel
Analyst
Good morning. Just a follow-on on the Internet business. As you guys have led the charge, if you will, to an Omnichannel vision clearly you are learning a lot of things that work and don't work. I would love you to share that with us and I suspect you won't, but wondering just from a dollars and cents standpoint you have been investing a lot. Has it been well invested, is there more investment ahead that you have learned that you need to do or is the investment that has been done now going to be harvested or beneficial without additional investment for the next couple of years?
Karen Hoguet
Management
No. It's a complicated question, but we will continue to invest and there is different parts of the investment. The first would be how to make our strategies between .com and stores and the systems work well together. That's one piece of investment. You've got the warehouses that we have been investing in. As you know, I just started building a new one in Tulsa, so those will continue. You will have store technology, which we are testing like crazy and will continue to test and rollout things that work, so I think you should assume that Omnichannel and technology investments are going to be an ongoing part of both, our capital budget and also our expense.
Richard Jaffe - Stifel
Analyst
Got it. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Stacie Rabinowitz of Consumer Edge Research.
Stacie Rabinowitz - Consumer Edge Research
Analyst
Hi. You had mentioned that the back-to-school categories in some of the younger age demographics were doing very well. I was just wondering as we sort of moved through the end of the summer, was there any change in the cadence of back-to-school versus last year or do you think the momentum could continue until school starts?
Karen Hoguet
Management
I don't know, we will have to wait and see. The momentum didn't change. I mean, it was strong throughout the quarter. Obviously the back-to-school business really started towards the end of July. There is still a lot to come.
Stacie Rabinowitz - Consumer Edge Research
Analyst
Okay. Great. Thanks.
Operator
Operator
Our next question is from David Glick of Buckingham Research Group.
David Glick - Buckingham Research Group
Analyst
Good morning. Most of my questions have been answered, Karen, just a couple of category follow-ups. You mentioned, I believe, it was men's sportswear, women's sportswear on the weaker categories as well as fashion footwear. Women's sportswear, not a new you mentioned, I was just wondering, in your men's sportswear commentary, are you including some of the better brands or what you consider more classification sportswear?
Karen Hoguet
Management
It's just overall apparel business did not do as well both, men's and women's.
David Glick - Buckingham Research Group
Analyst
On the footwear side, obviously the composition of the assortments changes pretty dramatically from fall to spring. Are you feeling any more optimistic about footwear as a category based on some of the ideas that you are seeing?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Yes. We are.
David Glick - Buckingham Research Group
Analyst
Okay. Then finally, the risk of beating a dead horse, I know that there was a significant impact in the Q2 comp from those two days of friends and family, but is it fair to say that the underlying, you guys look at the underlying run rate in Q2, axe that event, still within the guidelines of what you are forecasting in the second half of 2 to 3?
Karen Hoguet
Management
I think the horse is dead, buy yes.
David Glick - Buckingham Research Group
Analyst
But yes?
Karen Hoguet
Management
Yes.
David Glick - Buckingham Research Group
Analyst
Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
At this time, we one question remaining in the queue. (Operator Instructions) We will take our next question from Craig Hutson of Loop Capital Markets.
Craig Hutson - Loop Capital Markets
Analyst
Yes. Just a balance sheet question. We have seen a number of tender offers in the last months, including from some big retailers like Target and CVS. CVS announced a tender last week, where the highest coupon in the tender offer was 6.25%. You guys have 21 issues in your capital structure greater than 6.25%. What's the rationale for why specifically you have not gone down this path to pursue tender offers for your high cost debt?
Karen Hoguet
Management
We are always looking at the net present value of these kinds of transactions. If positive, we would entertain one. If not, we wouldn't.
Craig Hutson - Loop Capital Markets
Analyst
By net present value, we estimate you could save $100 million of annual interest expense. Can you just walk me through this calculation?
Karen Hoguet
Management
No. I mean, you are obviously looking - even you have to look at the premium, you are going to have to pay et cetera.
Craig Hutson - Loop Capital Markets
Analyst
Great.
Karen Hoguet
Management
I mean, it's a cash flow question for us.
Craig Hutson - Loop Capital Markets
Analyst
Okay, and more sort of cash flow question then just the overall improvement in interest savings and earnings.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Correct. We are driven by cash flow, not earnings per share.
Craig Hutson - Loop Capital Markets
Analyst
All right. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
It appears there are no further questions at this time. Ms. Hoguet, I would like to turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks.
Karen Hoguet
Management
Okay. Well, thank you all for your interest and support. If you have additional questions, feel free to call us. Have a good day. Thanks.